Puerto Vallarta warning

[+ WilliamM]

That's fine. Would you also take New Orleans, Baltimore, and St. Louis off your list of cities to go to

 

Apparently St. Louis is doing just fine. The city draws fans from other states because St. Louis was once the the most southern and western team on Major League baseball. And the ballpark in near the arch and Mississippi River.

 

ESPN:

 

ONE OF THE THINGS that allows the Cardinals to operate in such a consistent fashion is the constancy of the St. Louis fan base. The Cardinals have drawn more than 3 million fans in 19 of the past 20 seasons. In the other one, they drew 2.9 million. They have ranked fourth or better in NL attendance in each season since 1996. They've been second each season since 2013.

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I have only visited Mexico once --- by car for a few weeks in 1969.

[+ stevenkesslar]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uQt7YfFGA3U/TE-tJcdUDUI/AAAAAAAAHBA/20cFMGLqI1U/s400/chilpancingoejecutados2.jpg

 

I hope it doesn't violate some policy to post a picture like that. It is actually extremely mild compared to the readily available photos on Google of Mexican gang murders where the victims are chopped up and left on pieces on the street, beheaded, skinned alive, or gradually beaten to death or burned alive so that they don't really even look human anymore.

 

It's debatable whether it's better to die that way, or to just be blown up by a US bomb in a place like Iraq or Syria where you instantly end up in about 1000 little pieces. We've killed lots of men, women, and children that way.

 

My point is that one of the reasons I hope Kim drops a nuclear bomb on my backyard in Palm Springs, and LA, and NYC, and DC is that I want to see several million Americans - myself included - die horrific, ugly, horrible deaths, and then we can comment knowledgeably on how it feels. When we went through 9/11 and got a very serious taste of what it felt like to have 3000 of our own innocents slaughtered, that kind of pissed us off real good. I can only imagine what a nuclear bomb will do when Kim takes all your asses out.

 

Mostly, we like to talk as if we know something about this shit, when we don't. The people who know more than us are the Moms, Dads, brothers and sisters and kids of the people who are slaughtered in gang deaths in Mexico. And most of them aren't exactly innocent, because if they were targeted in the way the people in that picture above clearly were, it was probably because they were in a gang and a rival gang wanted to take them out, execution style. And the murders are particularly brutal because - like ISIS learned - part of the whole point is to scare the living shit oot of everyone. That's why it's called "terror."

The people I feel really sorry for are the politicians and journalists and others who are executed for trying to stop this, as well as the innocent Mexicans who have to live around this 24/7/365, and just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

The same shit happens every day in many poor urban areas of America, thank you. It happens in neighborhoods I own rental properties in, in places like Sacramento. I hear about it when my tenants tell me their kids had to run when they were walking down a street in daylight and they heard bullets. I'm not a slum landlord, and I would not call my houses slum houses or the neighborhoods slum neighborhoods. But they are in urban, diverse places where a lot of people wouldn't live, and where you have to be more careful than in an affluent gated community. So we have no reason to feel smug about anything we do here.

 

There is a case to be made that it would be a good thing for America if we not only had to go through 4 years of Trump, but if we had to go through 4 years of Trump that was like the Duterte regime in the Philippines. He is way more popular than Trump. So how about if we follow Trump's lead, and have the death penalty, and follow Duterte's lead, and embrace a policy of extrajudicial killings of drug traffickers and users?

 

I would particularly support it if it targeted mostly affluent White teenagers and young adults, people who got to affluent private high schools and are students and Harvard or Yale. I'd like to see several bullets popped into their skulls, by on duty cops, and then I'd like to see them dismembered and left on Harvard Square or by that bean thing in Grant Park. Some place a lot of tourists would see. It would send a message pretty quick that if you are involved in building the demand that makes the drug trade in Mexico flourish, even at a very small retail level, things may not go so well for you.

 

I think all we'd really have to do is take out 1000 or so rich White college kids. (I'd even throw in a couple unemployed coal miners from West Virginia who buy synthetic Mexican crack, just so it doesn't feel like I'm picking on rich people). That would be more than enough to send the message, and it would probably be the best thing we could do to stop drug gang murders in places like Cancun and Cabo, because it would dry up demand real quick.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Except in New Orleans and other US cities you can call the police and expect a certain level of protection. I'm sure in the resort areas you could do the same. However Outside of that I wouldn't expect much.

 

The only time I ever got robbed in Mexico was by the police. They pulled us over in my rental car and literally went through our pockets. Warned us if we said anything we'd go to jail.

 

Part of the problem in Mexico is that some of the cops and some of the politicians who hire and fire them are corrupt. It's not like we don't have that here, either. But not to the same degree, I don't think. We don't have journalists being slaughtered here because they are reporting on this kind of corruption. In Mexico, they do.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/12/22/572822696/number-of-journalists-killed-in-mexico-reaches-historical-high-report-says

 

Which reinforces my point. This is savage, targeted gang-style execution driven by the drug trade, which the United States encourages by being the best customer money and murder can buy.

 

And a lot of Black activists in the US would dispute whether an American who happens to not be White can call a cop or get stopped by a cop and expect "a certain level of protection." I'd rather keep this post focused on safety in Mexico. But there is an aspect of how we think about this that does have to do with race, I think.

 

This is an N of 1 that proves nothing, and I already told the story earlier in this thread. I ran into these two muscular, married White cops who were vacationing in the Grande Luxxe in Nuevo Vallarta, which is essentially an extremely safe, gated community resort a little north of Puerto Vallarta. They had been in the town square in Puerto Vallarta with their wives the night before - got out of a taxi, walked around for a few minutes, got back in a taxi, and went back to the hotel. They wanted to know if it would have been safe to maybe have walked a few blocks further up and down one of the streets, which at that point of night would have been filled with thousands of locals and tourists - mainly Mexicans. We just laughed, because the place is extremely safe. That's true whether you go by lots of personal experience, or by objective crime statistics. Idaho is probably a pretty safe place, and I doubt they'd feel the same way walking around any city or town there at night.

 

I am not saying that these were racist White cops. They were really nice people. But it just seemed funny: of course it would take two muscular White cops from a place like Idaho to ignorantly conclude that you couldn't even walk around PV. I mean, why be cops if you can't take any risk? And why go to Mexico? Or why get in a taxi and go into town? My point is I view it as ignorance.

 

You are right that if your experience of cops in Mexico is getting robbed by the cops, that would turn me off, permanently. I got robbed once in Mexico, by a woman hooker who groped me and was pretending to want to be hired for sex while she was stealing my wallet. That certainly didn't enchant me. But it could have happened anywhere in the world, and I decided I was the stupid one for letting my guard down and carrying my wallet in my pocket while traveling.

 

I'm not saying people shouldn't feel concerned for their safety. If you don't feel safe about going to Mexico, don't go. But a lot of this is driven by ignorance. And on a policy level, when you talk about the drug trade, it stinks of hypocrisy. People who live in glass houses - full of opioids and crack and all kinds of nasty, murderous garbage - shouldn't be throwing stones so easily.

Edited April 16, 2018 by stevenkesslar

[+ WilliamM]

I think all we'd really have to do is take out 1000 or so rich White college kids.

 

"[Rich] White college kids" have enlisted in the U.S. military in every war since the Revolutionary War --. and absolutely in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan

[caliguy]

"[Rich] White college kids" have enlisted in the U.S. military in every war since the Revolutionary War --. and absolutely in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan

I think it's more exception to the rule though.

Edited April 16, 2018 by caliguy

[caliguy]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uQt7YfFGA3U/TE-tJcdUDUI/AAAAAAAAHBA/20cFMGLqI1U/s400/chilpancingoejecutados2.jpg[/img]

 

I hope it doesn't violate some policy to post a picture like that. It is actually extremely mild compared to the readily available photos on Google of Mexican gang murders where the victims are chopped up and left on pieces on the street, beheaded, skinned alive, or gradually beaten to death or burned alive so that they don't really even look human anymore.

 

It's debatable whether it's better to die that way, or to just be blown up by a US bomb in a place like Iraq or Syria where you instantly end up in about 1000 little pieces. We've killed lots of men, women, and children that way.

 

My point is that one of the reasons I hope Kim drops a nuclear bomb on my backyard in Palm Springs, and LA, and NYC, and DC is that I want to see several million Americans - myself included - die horrific, ugly, horrible deaths, and then we can comment knowledgeably on how it feels. When we went through 9/11 and got a very serious taste of what it felt like to have 3000 of our own innocents slaughtered, that kind of pissed us off real good. I can only imagine what a nuclear bomb will do when Kim takes all your asses out.

 

Mostly, we like to talk as if we know something about this shit, when we don't. The people who know more than us are the Moms, Dads, brothers and sisters and kids of the people who are slaughtered in gang deaths in Mexico. And most of them aren't exactly innocent, because if they were targeted in the way the people in that picture above clearly were, it was probably because they were in a gang and a rival gang wanted to take them out, execution style. And the murders are particularly brutal because - like ISIS learned - part of the whole point is to scare the living shit oot of everyone. That's why it's called "terror."

The people I feel really sorry for are the politicians and journalists and others who are executed for trying to stop this, as well as the innocent Mexicans who have to live around this 24/7/365, and just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

The same shit happens every day in many poor urban areas of America, thank you. It happens in neighborhoods I own rental properties in, in places like Sacramento. I hear about it when my tenants tell me their kids had to run when they were walking down a street in daylight and they heard bullets. I'm not a slum landlord, and I would not call my houses slum houses or the neighborhoods slum neighborhoods. But they are in urban, diverse places where a lot of people wouldn't live, and where you have to be more careful than in an affluent gated community. So we have no reason to feel smug about anything we do here.

 

There is a case to be made that it would be a good thing for America if we not only had to go through 4 years of Trump, but if we had to go through 4 years of Trump that was like the Duterte regime in the Philippines. He is way more popular than Trump. So how about if we follow Trump's lead, and have the death penalty, and follow Duterte's lead, and embrace a policy of extrajudicial killings of drug traffickers and users?

 

I would particularly support it if it targeted mostly affluent White teenagers and young adults, people who got to affluent private high schools and are students and Harvard or Yale. I'd like to see several bullets popped into their skulls, by on duty cops, and then I'd like to see them dismembered and left on Harvard Square or by that bean thing in Grant Park. Some place a lot of tourists would see. It would send a message pretty quick that if you are involved in building the demand that makes the drug trade in Mexico flourish, even at a very small retail level, things may not go so well for you.

 

I think all we'd really have to do is take out 1000 or so rich White college kids. (I'd even throw in a couple unemployed coal miners from West Virginia who buy synthetic Mexican crack, just so it doesn't feel like I'm picking on rich people). That would be more than enough to send the message, and it would probably be the best thing we could do to stop drug gang murders in places like Cancun and Cabo, because it would dry up demand real quick.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uQt7YfFGA3U/TE-tJcdUDUI/AAAAAAAAHBA/20cFMGLqI1U/s400/chilpancingoejecutados2.jpg

 

I hope it doesn't violate some policy to post a picture like that. It is actually extremely mild compared to the readily available photos on Google of Mexican gang murders where the victims are chopped up and left on pieces on the street, beheaded, skinned alive, or gradually beaten to death or burned alive so that they don't really even look human anymore.

 

It's debatable whether it's better to die that way, or to just be blown up by a US bomb in a place like Iraq or Syria where you instantly end up in about 1000 little pieces. We've killed lots of men, women, and children that way.

 

My point is that one of the reasons I hope Kim drops a nuclear bomb on my backyard in Palm Springs, and LA, and NYC, and DC is that I want to see several million Americans - myself included - die horrific, ugly, horrible deaths, and then we can comment knowledgeably on how it feels. When we went through 9/11 and got a very serious taste of what it felt like to have 3000 of our own innocents slaughtered, that kind of pissed us off real good. I can only imagine what a nuclear bomb will do when Kim takes all your asses out.

 

Mostly, we like to talk as if we know something about this shit, when we don't. The people who know more than us are the Moms, Dads, brothers and sisters and kids of the people who are slaughtered in gang deaths in Mexico. And most of them aren't exactly innocent, because if they were targeted in the way the people in that picture above clearly were, it was probably because they were in a gang and a rival gang wanted to take them out, execution style. And the murders are particularly brutal because - like ISIS learned - part of the whole point is to scare the living shit oot of everyone. That's why it's called "terror."

The people I feel really sorry for are the politicians and journalists and others who are executed for trying to stop this, as well as the innocent Mexicans who have to live around this 24/7/365, and just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

The same shit happens every day in many poor urban areas of America, thank you. It happens in neighborhoods I own rental properties in, in places like Sacramento. I hear about it when my tenants tell me their kids had to run when they were walking down a street in daylight and they heard bullets. I'm not a slum landlord, and I would not call my houses slum houses or the neighborhoods slum neighborhoods. But they are in urban, diverse places where a lot of people wouldn't live, and where you have to be more careful than in an affluent gated community. So we have no reason to feel smug about anything we do here.

 

There is a case to be made that it would be a good thing for America if we not only had to go through 4 years of Trump, but if we had to go through 4 years of Trump that was like the Duterte regime in the Philippines. He is way more popular than Trump. So how about if we follow Trump's lead, and have the death penalty, and follow Duterte's lead, and embrace a policy of extrajudicial killings of drug traffickers and users?

 

I would particularly support it if it targeted mostly affluent White teenagers and young adults, people who got to affluent private high schools and are students and Harvard or Yale. I'd like to see several bullets popped into their skulls, by on duty cops, and then I'd like to see them dismembered and left on Harvard Square or by that bean thing in Grant Park. Some place a lot of tourists would see. It would send a message pretty quick that if you are involved in building the demand that makes the drug trade in Mexico flourish, even at a very small retail level, things may not go so well for you.

 

I think all we'd really have to do is take out 1000 or so rich White college kids. (I'd even throw in a couple unemployed coal miners from West Virginia who buy synthetic Mexican crack, just so it doesn't feel like I'm picking on rich people). That would be more than enough to send the message, and it would probably be the best thing we could do to stop drug gang murders in places like Cancun and Cabo, because it would dry up demand real quick.

The problem with the Philippines and dutarte is he's using the drug dealers and as an excuse to get rid of anyone in his way.

 

I'm just glad I don't do those hardcore drugs anymore. I really do think of the consequences of my past actions. I would not want to be supporting this kind of evil.

[+ stevenkesslar]

"[Rich] White college kids" have enlisted in the U.S. military in every war since the Revolutionary War --. and absolutely in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan

 

The more recent numbers on the US military have surprised me. I used to think of the military as a way for poor Blacks and Latinos - as well as poor Whites - to climb the ladder, get an education, get skills. (That's what my White Dad did using the GI Bill in WWII). The Obamas always did a good job of honoring veterans in their speeches, I thought, and I always felt like part of that is they know full well how military honor and respect resonates for many Blacks, both haves and have nots.

 

All of that is still true, but I think the volunteer military is better paid, better educated, and more professional than ever.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/images/blogs/freakonomics/posts/Enlisted2.jpg

 

How much of that is due to the fact that the military is a good job gig, and how much of it is due to patriotism, I don't know. Mostly, I think it's a great thing for America. I wasn't proud that a lot of liberals trashed the film "American Sniper," - either as a film, or as a story about a real hero. We all know Eastwood is a Republican. But he's a great Director. I was blown away by how nuanced and objective he was in telling that story. I'm ignorant about the military. But I know a lot of what drives it is patriotism, and I am deeply respectful of that. So I wasn't slamming rich military kids.

 

I have another N of 1 story that is relevant to Cancun. One time I was there with a client in the hotel zone, and I stayed one extra night after he left, because I wanted to check out the Gay scene downtown. So if I recall right at the time there's a free bus shuttle that goes from the hotel zone to Centro. I take it, go have fun at the Gay bars, and then get back in the bus for the trip back to the hotel zone right around bar closing time. The bus is almost empty until we get to one of the first stops in the hotel zone. We stop outside a TGI Friday or some chain like that, and the whole bus fills up with drunk American kids on Spring Break. I had a bad feeling about the kid who sits next to me, so I move. Which is a good thing, because a little later he vomits on the floor. That whole bus is now full of screaming, drunk American assholes. And I am close enough to the front of the bus to hear some White kid harassing the bus driver because he asked him a question in English and - guess what? - the Mexican bus driver is not fluent in a foreign language. The whole thing was an unforgettable experience about ugly, drunk American kids.

 

In fairness, I was once on a very full local bus in Cuernavaca where I was taking Spanish classes, and some Mexican bus driver was barking at me for some reason - I either didn't know he was talking to me, or didn't understand him yelling in Spanish. So the people around me get my attention. I think he wanted me to move further back or something. He asked me where I was from, and just out of embarrassment I said, in Spanish, that I was from Germany. So he made some asshole comment about Germans not being able to speak Spanish, and everybody on the bus just laughed at me. I think I mostly didn't want to be a personal embarrassment to the US. So when I was getting off the bus a little later I leaned over to him and I said, I think in almost perfect Spanish, "Has estado in Alemania? No. Porque deberias viajar mas, amigo!" Translation: "Been to Germany? No. Because you really need to travel more, my friend."

 

There are assholes everywhere in the world, and I guess I was pleased with myself for letting the Mexican bus driver know that I wasn't stupid, and he was a poor, dumb asshole driving a cheap Mexican bus. Maybe I was just being an ignorant American.

 

There are murderers everywhere in the world, too. And if you don't want to take the risk of running into one, it makes sense that you shouldn't travel - at least to places like Mexico. But if you look at where the drug gangs are flourishing and where the death rates are the highest - whether it's Columbia a generation ago or Mexico or now Guatemala or El Salvador - it usually has a lot to do with drug trafficking to the US.

[+ tassojunior]

I miss Acapulco !

 

That was a beautiful resort to visit and local guys filled the zocola looking for gay clients.

 

Now, I'd be scared to go.

 

But Cabo ? Come on.......I'm more scared in WeHo.

[+ stevenkesslar]

That was a beautiful resort to visit and local guys filled the zocola looking for gay clients.

 

Have you (or anyone?) ever heard of Mexican cops posing underground to bust Gay tourists for picking up local guys for pay?

 

Since you mentioned this, I was just curious. I was in PV once in the zocola with a US client I've known for over a decade. We were out walking and we sat down on a bench next to a handsome Mexican guy, and my client started a conversation. I forget the exact story, but the guy said he just moved to PV from somewhere else, like Mexico City, he was staying at some cheap hotel, blah blah blah, maybe he said he was starting a new job next week or looking for a job at a hotel. It was around Christmas or Easter I think. My client asked him if he had plans for the holiday, and invited him to dinner the following night - we had reservations at a nice restaurant. Somehow even though we were all sitting on a park bench, the client checked with whether I was okay with all this, and I said fine. But the whole thing just felt a little suspicious. This client doesn't speak a word of Spanish, and the hot Mexican guy just seemed too well dressed and well spoken in perfect English to match the story of somebody new to town just hanging out and looking for work. I knew the client well enough, and he was not the kind of guy who would say, "Hey, let's go to our condo and fuck right now." So I figured it would just be interesting to see how all this turned out. We agreed we'd meet at the zocalo the following night at a certain time and have a really nice dinner together.

 

So the following night we show up and are sitting on the park bench and the guy is not there. Maybe 5 or 10 minutes after we're supposed to meet he walks up to us and tells us that some girl he met the night before called him and wanted to have dinner, or something like that. So he regretfully could not join us after all. So we said, Great, and he walked off, and we just went and had dinner as planned. Never saw the guy again. I never said anything to the client about feeling suspicious, mostly because he was enjoying talking to the guy and I had no way of knowing that it wasn't exactly what it appeared to be.

 

I will always believe the guy was an undercover cop and if we had propositioned him, we would have ended up getting arrested. Maybe it was just normal job paranoia on my part. But the guy's story and appearance and dress and language skills just didn't add up to me. I've never heard of any kind of stings of Gay guys in PV, or anywhere in Mexico, so I don't really have a clue. And we have hired strippers out of the Gay bars, so it also seems unusual that the cops would bother working the zocalo if they were going after Gay guys. I've actually never seen what appeared to be hookers, male or female, working the streets down there anyway.

Edited April 16, 2018 by stevenkesslar

[+ tassojunior]

Have you (or anyone?) ever heard of Mexican cops posing underground to bust Gay tourists for picking up local guys for pay?

 

Since you mentioned this, I was just curious. I was in PV once in the zocola with a US client I've known for over a decade. We were out walking and we sat down on a bench next to a handsome Mexican guy, and my client started a conversation. I forget the exact story, but the guy said he just moved to PV from somewhere else, like Mexico City, he was staying at some cheap hotel, blah blah blah, maybe he said he was starting a new job next week or looking for a job at a hotel. It was around Christmas or Easter I think. My client asked him if he had plans for the holiday, and invited him to dinner the following night - we had reservations at a nice restaurant. Somehow even though we we're all sitting on a park bench, the client checked with whether I was okay with all this, and I said fine. But the whole thing just felt a little suspicious. This client doesn't speak a word of Spanish, and the hot Mexican guy just seemed too well dressed and well spoken in perfect English to match the story of somebody new to town just hanging out and looking for work. I knew the client well enough, and he was not the kind of guy who would say, "Hey, let's go to our condo and fuck right now." So I figured it would just be interesting to see how all this turned out. We agreed we'd meet at the zocalo the following night at a certain time and have a really nice dinner together.

 

So the following night we show up and are sitting on the park bench and the guy is not there. Maybe 5 or 10 minutes after we're supposed to meet he walks up to us and tells us that some girl he met the night before called him and wanted to have dinner, or something like that. So he regretfully could not join us after all. So we said, Great, and he walked off, and we just went and had dinner as planned. Never saw the guy again. I never said anything to the client about feeling suspicious, mostly because he was enjoying talking to the guy and I had no way of knowing that it wasn't exactly what it appeared to be.

 

I will always believe the guy was an undercover cop and if we had propositioned him, we would have ended up getting arrested. Maybe it was just normal job paranoia on my part. But the guy's story and appearance and dress and language skills just didn't add up to me. I've never heard of any kind of stings of Gay guys in PV, or anywhere in Mexico, so I don't really have a clue. And we have hired strippers out of the Gay bars, so it also seems unusual that the cops would bother working the zocalo if they were going after Gay guys. I've actually never seen what appeared to be hookers, male or female, working the streets down there anyway.

 

Seriously doubt real Mexican cop would do that. Not even a fake cop. Too much machismo there.

 

In Acapulco I know they were all real. Gringo gays would come to the zocola and toss coins as favors like feeding pigeons. 2 or 3 dozen there at a time. The biggest problem was getting them past hotel security. Ah, the old days.

 

Acapulco is one of the most beautiful locations there is. High on the cliffs over the Pacific. Problem has always been that the state Acapulco is in is one of the poorest in Mexico. There were always murders in the non-tourist part of town. And it's a huge city.

[bigvalboy]

I remain unconvinced...

[+ WilliamM]

Acapulco is one of the most beautiful locations there is. High on the cliffs over the Pacific.

 

+1

[+ stevenkesslar]

I remain unconvinced...

 

Sweetie, it's not worth trying to convince you.

 

Thing is, in Mexico they do tequila. Yeah, you can get some hot Mexican stripper to bed down with you. But you probably ain't gonna be convinced by his delicious brown foreskin, either. And on top of that he's gonna want his tequila. It's just gonna be a fucked up mess for you.

 

Now, next time I'm down there, I'll try to find a hottie that likes gin. But don't hold your breath. Sad to say, but I just don't think it's gonna be a match.

 

http://i.imgur.com/jzXs2.gif

[+ FreshFluff]

I remain unconvinced...

 

That's no problem, darling. I've already checked into our Pacific House at Post Ranch.

[+ SundayZip]

I can live with that.

 

BUT...please take a moment to examine the map link below. Scroll to desired area, and please note the highlighted areas in Mexico compared to that of the US.

Now gotta run, Maddow is about to come on.

 

https://travelmaps.state.gov/TSGMap/?extent=-0.879381859,47.401628436,20.397707357,54.42135931

 

I would not say the US travel advisory map is entirely useless, but it is flawed in a very significant way. Look at Mexico... The map assigns a travel advisory or risk level to an entire Mexican state. For example, Puerto Vallarta is in the sate of Jalisco. Mexico City is in the State of Mexico (state and city have the same name). The entire state of Jalisco, including Puerto Vallarta, is assigned a higher risk level than the State of Mexico (ie, Mexico City). If you go by this advisory map, you'd think that Mexico City is safer than Puerto Vallarta. What?! There are areas of Mexico City where not even taxis driver will go. Puerto Vallarta in comparison, is extremely safe (especially the tourist areas). If travel risk was assigned to the US in the same way, the safest city in the state of Illinois would be have the same risk level as the most dangerous area of Chicago.

Edited April 17, 2018 by SundayZip

[+ glutes]

How many of them were tourists? The hotel zone of Cancun is quite separate from the main city of Cancun; there are almost no private houses in the hotel zone.

 

Even if the killing field is just out of my 'hotel zone', I don't wanna go.

 

I won't be doing my rehab in Cancun either!

 

Banking heir and cryptocurrency bigwig Matthew Mellon has died, a representative for his family said in a statement.

 

Mellon, an early backer of global settlement network Ripple, was the ex-husband of Jimmy Choo guru Tamara Mellon and of designer Nicole Hanley, his second wife.

 

A rep said in a statement: “Billionaire Matthew Mellon, 53, died suddenly in Cancun, Mexico, where he was attending a drug rehabilitation facility. Mellon made his fortune in cryptocurrency, turning a $2 million investment into $1 billion. He is survived by his three children, Force, Olympia and Minty. The family asks that their privacy be respected at this very painful time.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/04/17/billionaire-banking-heir-matthew-mellon-dies-in-rehab-facility.html

[+ stevenkesslar]

I've already checked into our Pacific House at Post Ranch.

 

I just have a bad feeling about this whole thing, Fresh Fluff.

 

http://www.postranchinn.com/dining/

 

Here's what it says on the menu of Sierra Mar, the restaurant at Post Ranch Inn.

 

"Our dress code is casual elegant. Please wear something that you would feel most comfortable in for a nice dinner out, however shorts, t-shirts, sandals or athletic gear are not permitted."

 

Now I assume in your company you can possibly get BVB to do casual elegant. But jock straps fall under the category of athletic gear, and I seriously doubt they are going to be enchanted with muscle strippers in thongs. And we all know BVB can't pry himself away from his cock, even when he is in the presence of a refined pussy such as yourself.

 

Of course, you are outgoing and friendly. So perhaps you can share the Pacific House with BVB and his coterie and dine with strangers. That will give BVB and friends plenty of time to eat in, privately. There will no doubt be plenty to eat in the room.

 

And look on the bright side.

 

Big Sur is absolutely stunning. As opposed to getting stuck in a shit hole like Puerto Vallarta, where the views absolutely suck.

 

http://www.gaypuertovallarta4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/wet-dreams-puerto-vallarta.jpg

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[bigvalboy]

I just have a bad feeling about this whole thing, Fresh Fluff.

 

http://www.postranchinn.com/dining/

 

Here's what it says on the menu of Sierra Mar, the restaurant at Post Ranch Inn.

 

"Our dress code is casual elegant. Please wear something that you would feel most comfortable in for a nice dinner out, however shorts, t-shirts, sandals or athletic gear are not permitted."

 

Now I assume in your company you can possibly get BVB to do casual elegant. But jock straps fall under the category of athletic gear, and I seriously doubt they are going to be enchanted with muscle strippers in thongs. And we all know BVB can't pry himself away from his cock, even when he is in the presence of a refined pussy such as yourself.

 

Of course, you are outgoing and friendly. So perhaps you can share the Pacific House with BVB and his coterie and dine with strangers. That will give BVB and friends plenty of time to eat in, privately. There will no doubt be plenty to eat in the room.

 

And look on the bright side.

 

Big Sur is absolutely stunning. As opposed to getting stuck in a shit hole like Puerto Vallarta, where the views absolutely suck.

 

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LMAO...You're hardly making a good case for yourself if that's what PV offers up as prime beef. I can find prime Cuban beef poolside within a mile of the casa. Take them offshore a mile or so, drop anchor, drop the trunks, and let them lounge in the glorious south Florida sun, with no need to make a sixteen hundred mile sojourn, but God bless you for making the case for yourself, and if it's all the same to you, I'll decide what casual elegant is. (there is a rather scrumptious pic over on BoyToy of the always sexy @VictorPowers and @tristanbaldwin pool side in PS. Tristan BTW is looking AMAZING. Why would you go south when you have that right in your backyard?

[+ stevenkesslar]

...and if it's all the same to you, I'll decide what casual elegant is.

 

Suit yourself.

 

I personally wouldn't think of dressing for a place like Sierra Mar without consulting with Lady Kockwood.

 

But we all have our definition of good taste, I guess.

 

 

As far as you dropping your trunks and what not, my hunch is your Cuban guests won't be the least bit critical of your fashion sense.

 

Mostly what they will care about is what Ben is wearing. Go figure.

 

[+ stevenkesslar]

there is a rather scrumptious pic over on BoyToy of the always sexy @VictorPowers and @tristanbaldwin pool side in PS. Tristan BTW is looking AMAZING. Why would you go south when you have that right in your backyard?

 

What, are you doing your best James Joyce now? Is this "right in your own backyard" supposed to be allegory or metaphor or whatever? Cause I don't get that shit. Or are you just channeling your inner Dorothy?

 

I met Victor for the first time this weekend, and of course Tristan is my future fiance. So I was shocked to find out that as much as they are nice guys and very engaging conversationalists and what not, they were not right in the backyard. They were actually right up everybody's ass, apparently. I have that on very good account. Being a quiet Midwestern boy at heart, I found it all rather titillating.

 

So you can take your fancy Big Sur getaway and your casual elegant pussy. But I'll just stay here and enjoy the view of Big Sir. As you point out, even from such a long distance, it's quite a view. And there's even more than one of 'em.

Edited April 17, 2018 by stevenkesslar

[mike carey]

They were actually right up everybody's ass, apparently.

I suspect you might have that arse-about in @VictorPowers' case.

[+ FreshFluff]

I just have a bad feeling about this whole thing, Fresh Fluff.

 

http://www.postranchinn.com/dining/

 

Here's what it says on the menu of Sierra Mar, the restaurant at Post Ranch Inn.

 

"Our dress code is casual elegant. Please wear something that you would feel most comfortable in for a nice dinner out, however shorts, t-shirts, sandals or athletic gear are not permitted."

 

Now I assume in your company you can possibly get BVB to do casual elegant. But jock straps fall under the category of athletic gear, and I seriously doubt they are going to be enchanted with muscle strippers in thongs. And we all know BVB can't pry himself away from his cock, even when he is in the presence of a refined pussy such as yourself.

 

Of course, you are outgoing and friendly. So perhaps you can share the Pacific House with BVB and his coterie and dine with strangers. That will give BVB and friends plenty of time to eat in, privately. There will no doubt be plenty to eat in the room.

 

 

BVB's minks are no problem as long as they stay away from my terrace and hot tub.

[+ stevenkesslar]

I suspect you might have that arse-about in @VictorPowers' case.

 

I suppose you should consult with Victor on that. I may be ignorant, even dishonorable. But I am discreet.

 

I can say that on good account it was told to me that Guy checked in on Victor several times during the night at Canyon Club.

 

I also have it on good account that Guy is a good marksman, he is excellent at using his gun, and he never misses a shot.

 

So I ain't saying nothing. But me being ignorant, and you're being good at deductive reasoning - I'd say this one is one you. Why don't you tell us what conclusion you reach, sweetie?

 

(And you know I'm just bullshitting. Guy spent the whole night with me at my house, actually. So I know he slept like a baby all night long. See what happens when you miss the party? You just don't know which gossip to believe. And besides, we all know the real action happens at the gigs run by BVB and Fresh Fluff).

Edited April 18, 2018 by stevenkesslar

[Walker1]

Have you (or anyone?) ever heard of Mexican cops posing underground to bust Gay tourists for picking up local guys for pay?

 

.

 

I will always believe the guy was an undercover cop and if we had propositioned him, we would have ended up getting arrested. Maybe it was just normal job paranoia on my part. But the guy's story and appearance and dress and language skills just didn't add up to me. I've never heard of any kind of stings of Gay guys in PV, or anywhere in Mexico, so I don't really have a clue. And we have hired strippers out of the Gay bars, so it also seems unusual that the cops would bother working the zocalo if they were going after Gay guys. I've actually never seen what appeared to be hookers, male or female, working the streets down there anyway.

 

Interesting. I believe if you are convicted of sex tourism, you will not be able to get passports any more? So it can be a very bad thing as to never being able to travel outside the country ever again. The way this country is going, Canada may just be right for me. A few more years and will be easier for the family too.

[+ stevenkesslar]

BVB's minks are no problem as long as they stay away from my terrace and hot tub.

 

I just wish we could all be as tolerant as you.

 

The super good news is Bozo is gone. I don't think BVB was much into him anyway, but the clown was well hung - that was part of what actually convinced Diamond to be his MBTC.

 

Those fine red pubic hairs are a bitch to get out of the carpet and hot tub.