Rates and Providers that Negotiate

[+ freecahill1965]

Interesting, I contacted a local provider based on a daddy recommendation. I sent an email asking for their rate. The rate was much higher than the average for our area. Though the provider was attractive but no Wickedboy, I said thank you for taking the time and I appreciated the response but price is too steep. I figured no big deal. I would just move on. The provider came back with a counter offer which was considerably less. Just out of respect, I do not negotiate but also in my mind I am thinking I may get a cheaper service. To me the whole counter offer sets up a negative overtone, how do other clients feel when a provider negotiates a lower rate for their service in order to be hired? Have you found the service to be excellent?

Edited December 27, 2017 by freecahill1965

[LaffingBear]

I feel exactly the same.

 

If they quote a price higher than I'm willing to pay, I politely decline and move on.

 

If they subsequently reduce their asking price, I interpret it as a bad sign.... might be any number of reasons, most of them bad.

 

I have referred price-lowerers, who I suspect to be inexperienced, to rentmen, and this site. Some have expressed gratitude.

[nsguy45]

That's why I never use discount coupons for eating establishments that often arrive via snail mail. Especially when it's clearly stated "Please present coupon prior to ordering". I always feel that I would receive either something made with inferior ingredients or perhaps made hours ago, if not yesterday.

[LaffingBear]

That's why I never use discount coupons for eating establishments that often arrive via snail mail. Especially when it's clearly stated "Please present coupon prior to ordering". I always feel that I would receive either something made with inferior ingredients or perhaps made hours ago, if not yesterday.

LOL.

 

That never occurred to me, and I doubt its a realistic concern. But I think its the stuff of a great SNL sketch. And an idea I'm going to share with family & friends who own various restaurants.

[MikeBiDude]

That's why I never use discount coupons for eating establishments that often arrive via snail mail. Especially when it's clearly stated "Please present coupon prior to ordering". I always feel that I would receive either something made with inferior ingredients or perhaps made hours ago, if not yesterday.

That’s some good urban myth paranoia going on there.....presenting the coupons early have much more to do with the POS (point of sale) system correctly giving you the discount easily than anything else.

[+ Tarte Gogo]

might be any number of reasons, most of them bad

Let's list them:

1. The escort doesn't know what the market is, and therefore is inexperienced. Lack of experience could result in bad sex.

2. The escort is trying to squeeze dollars from you even though he knows he is not worth that. That is borderline dishonest.

3. The escort is worth (on the market) the price quoted initially, but is really desperate. That means he cannot manage his cash flow and even though he makes a lot usually, he cannot pay the rent because he spent it all on non-essentials. That to me is not great but does not mean the encounter will be bad.

4. Or even worse, he is desperate because he need a drug fix urgently, and tries to get hired in any way to pay for it.

 

Any other reason you guys can think of?

[+ freecahill1965]

That's why I never use discount coupons for eating establishments that often arrive via snail mail. Especially when it's clearly stated "Please present coupon prior to ordering". I always feel that I would receive either something made with inferior ingredients or perhaps made hours ago, if not yesterday.

I am for all the buy one get one free coupons.

[+ sniper]

Let's list them:

1. The escort doesn't know what the market is, and therefore is inexperienced. Lack of experience could result in bad sex.

2. The escort is trying to squeeze dollars from you even though he knows he is not worth that. That is borderline dishonest.

3. The escort is worth (on the market) the price quoted initially, but is really desperate. That means he cannot manage his cash flow and even though he makes a lot usually, he cannot pay the rent because he spent it all on non-essentials. That to me is not great but does not mean the encounter will be bad.

4. Or even worse, he is desperate because he need a drug fix urgently, and tries to get hired in any way to pay for it.

 

Any other reason you guys can think of?

5. He had a last-minute cancellation and now has more free time. Basically the reverse of Uber's surge pricing.

[MikeBiDude]

5. He had a last-minute cancellation and now has more free time. Basically the reverse of Uber's surge pricing.

Businesses negotiate/discount to keep revenue up and flowing. Providers can do the same. I’ll admit it could be a potential flag that needs exploring....but I wouldn’t toss a negotiating escort outta the mix.

[+ Tarte Gogo]

5. He had a last-minute cancellation and now has more free time. Basically the reverse of Uber's surge pricing.

 

Businesses negotiate/discount to keep revenue up and flowing. Providers can do the same. I’ll admit it could be a potential flag that needs exploring....but I wouldn’t toss a negotiating escort outta the mix.

 

I agree, Sniper's #5 is a good one. Maybe that is what is happening here: suddenly free, needs to fill that time.

[LaffingBear]

That’s some good urban myth paranoia going on there.....presenting the coupons early have much more to do with the POS (point of sale) system correctly giving you the discount easily than anything else.

But the idea is much more fun.

 

Imagine a restaurant kitchen.... one setup of fresh greens, a separate of wilted, brown lettuce. "Ordering... two coupon salads!"

 

"Fire two halibut specials - its a coupon!" as the cook reaches for the slimy, smelly fish they forgot to refrigerate last night.

 

Or the hostess who greets the coupon-holder, whose been waiting longer than other arrivals. "We're sorry. You have a coupon. You'll be seated as soon as there's an opening at Jan's station.... she doesn't wash her hands, and we're waiting on her test results."

Edited December 27, 2017 by LaffingBear

[+ Travis69]

Maybe he's horny.

[+ freecahill1965]

I agree, Sniper's #5 is a good one. Maybe that is what is happening here: suddenly free, needs to fill that time.

You are probably right. The question is How do I respond to the counter offer email in a way that is polite and respectful???

[+ azdr0710]

though I posted this in the not-too-distant past, time to trot it out again, I guess.....

 

[+ José Soplanucas]

Interesting, I contacted a local provider based on a daddy recommendation. I sent an email asking for their rate. The rate was much higher than the average for our area. Though the provider was attractive but no Wickedboy, I said thank you for taking the time and I appreciated the response but price is too steep. I figured no big deal. I would just move on. The provider came back with a counter offer which was considerably less. Just out of respect, I do not negotiate but also in my mind I am thinking I may get a cheaper service. To me the whole counter offer sets up a negative overtone, how do other clients feel when a provider negotiates a lower rate for their service in order to be hired? Have you found the service to be excellent?

 

Many times I did not feel comfortable with the conversation, just like you, and did not continue it. However, a few times I did engage in bargaining without feeling uncomfortable, and the experience delivered was premium.

[+ azdr0710]

virtually never haggle, but once engaged in it with former porn actor Chad Conners.....he asked near-porn star rates and said one of his wrists and hands was in a cast......I balked a bit because of the cast disclosure and he backed off on the premium ask.....the meet went very well

[+ José Soplanucas]

There are a thousand threads about this topic. As often in our industry, there is not a definite agreement. Americans tend to reject and look down to haggling, but bargaining is expected in other cultures. As America is becoming more and more diverse, bargaining is also becoming more accepted. I think.

[+ azdr0710]

There are a thousand threads about this topic.

 

here's a recent one that went on for 91 posts......

 

https://m4m-forum.org/threads/haggling-with-escorts.127716/

[MiamiLooker]

You are probably right. The question is How do I respond to the counter offer email in a way that is polite and respectful???

The fee is just one of many factors involved in negotiating. Ask him if he has a preference for date/time of the appointment.

[+ Tarte Gogo]

You are probably right. The question is How do I respond to the counter offer email in a way that is polite and respectful???

If you want to say no, hmm, hard one. I would just leave it there. If he insists on an answer, say that the radical change of price makes you feel that the escort doesn’t seem to understand the prices in the US market.

I think it is respectful to say that because it is factual and honest.

 

If you want to say yes, just say, “Sure, that price is more in line to what I was expecting, when are you free?”

[+ freecahill1965]

If you want to say no, hmm, hard one. I would just leave it there. If he insists on an answer, say that the radical change of price makes you feel that the escort doesn’t seem to understand the prices in the US market.

I think it is respectful to say that because it is factual and honest.

 

If you want to say yes, just say, “Sure, that price is more in line to what I was expecting, when are you free?”

Thanks, I do not plan to say yes.

[+ sniper]

You could just thank him for the offer and say you had already made other arrangements if you don't want to accept it.

[+ sniper]

I would not bother telling him you are turned off by the negotiating. That's just inviting further discussion/bad feelings and you may in the future if he starts advertising a rate that is acceptable to you wish to give him a try.

[+ freecahill1965]

I would not bother telling him you are turned off by the negotiating. That's just inviting further discussion/bad feelings and you may in the future if he starts advertising a rate that is acceptable to you wish to give him a try.

Very good point. Thank you! I sent the following.

 

Thank you for your generous offer but I already made other arrangements. Have a great New Year.

[Gadfly22]

Ok supposin' you politely turn a guy down because he's too expensive, expecting it to end there, and he comes back with a lower rate - you accept and the meeting goes really well. You want to hire the guy again. Do you assume the lower rate applies for any followup meetings? Do you ask him? Do you pay the higher rate (assuming you think he's worth it)? All three options seem to have drawbacks to me. Any ideas?