The Crown, Series 2

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Please! Just don’t try to dress the part. Either part! I’m not sure the world is ready for @Benjamin_Nicholas in drag.

 

Yikes. I'm getting a baaaaaad mental image

 

Drag is not something I'm into, either watching or doing.

[+ poolboy48220]

I just started watching last night, about an episode and a half in, just where George VI dies. I'm curious, the scene at the beginning of episode 1, on the ceremony where Philip is given a medal and takes British citizenship. The character helping the King dress, who helps calm his stuttering by reciting a dirty limerick; is that meant to be Lionel Logue, the speech therapist in "The King's Speech"? I didn't seem him in the credits.

[TruthBTold]

No, I believe he is the King's private secretary, Peter Townsend. Logue would have been several years older than him.

[+ poolboy48220]

Thanks, you're right. It was early enough in the show that I was still sorting out characters, but I replayed it last night; that' definitely Peter Townsend.

[TruthBTold]

Thanks, you're right. It was early enough in the show that I was still sorting out characters, but I replayed it last night; that' definitely Peter Townsend.

 

No problem. It is a great series. Parts 1 and 2 are really good. But as Elizabeth ages in Part 3 different actresses play her and Margaret. They are the incredible Olivia Colman and the always wonderful Helena Bonham-Carter. I hope you like it.

[+ poolboy48220]

No problem. It is a great series. Parts 1 and 2 are really good. But as Elizabeth ages in Part 3 different actresses play her and Margaret. They are the incredible Olivia Colman and the always wonderful Helena Bonham-Carter. I hope you like it.

I like it very much so far. Bertie's brother (Edward?), the one who abdicated, seems a bit of a pill.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I like it very much so far. Bertie's brother (Edward?), the one who abdicated, seems a bit of a pill.

 

Well, based on his documented history with the Nazis, I'd call him a lot more than a pill.

[mike carey]

I like it very much so far. Bertie's brother (Edward?), the one who abdicated, seems a bit of a pill.

David. Well, actually he was christened Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David but known as David to family and friends. The last four names are those of the patron saints of the four home nations.

[JulianLondon]

[TruthBTold]

I like it very much so far. Bertie's brother (Edward?), the one who abdicated, seems a bit of a pill.

 

From what I have read Edward VIII might have tried to help to liberalize the government if certain ways. Although monarchs are supposed to be neutral as far as the various governments that are formed. However, their support of certain groups would certainly move things one way or the other. For instance, if Charles had ever become king and Diana was then Queen consort (I think she would be?) her support of AIDS groups might have helped to legitimize all sorts of things.

[+ poolboy48220]

If Charles had become King when he was still married to Diana, I think Diana would be Queen, period, not Queen consort. Ancient rules about gender precedence - a woman who succeeds to the throne can't make her husband the King, but when a man succeeds to the throne, his wife is Queen. A King can make a Queen, but a Queen can't make a King.

 

I could be wrong, I'm no expert on royal succession :-D

[HotWhiteThirties]

If Charles had become King when he was still married to Diana, I think Diana would be Queen, period, not Queen consort. Ancient rules about gender precedence - a woman who succeeds to the throne can't make her husband the King, but when a man succeeds to the throne, his wife is Queen. A King can make a Queen, but a Queen can't make a King.

 

I could be wrong, I'm no expert on royal succession :-D

 

This is my understanding as well. Like you, I wouldn’t consider myself an expert either, but what little research I have done, affirms this statement.

[+ poolboy48220]

There's an interesting bit, barely even a subplot, in John Varley's science fiction novel "Steel Beach", talking about how royal succession in the future is affected by easily available sex changes (as in no more complicated than a trip to the dentist).

[mike carey]

I think Diana would be Queen, period, not Queen consort.

Yes and no. Her title would have been Queen, as were Elizabeth's mother Queen Elizabeth and grandmother Queen Mary (they were the ones for whom the ships were named). Queen consort is not a title, it's a description. When you're talking about the wife of a current king, it's obvious what her status is. But Diana would have been a queen consort, as would Camilla or Kate be next, rather than queen regnant which is what the current queen is. The only queen regnant whose husband was king was Mary, Princess of Orange. She and William III were co-sovereigns.

[+ poolboy48220]

So whoever inherits the throne through blood is the reigning sovereign, regardless of gender? With a strong preference for a male, rather than female, inheriting the throne? Why was Mary the only Queen to reign alongside a king? I've googled a bit but it's making my head spin :-)

[mike carey]

So whoever inherits the throne through blood is the reigning sovereign, regardless of gender? With a strong preference for a male, rather than female, inheriting the throne? Why was Mary the only Queen to reign alongside a king? I've googled a bit but it's making my head spin

For the British monarchy, males outranked females in the line of succession, but that was changed a few years ago (it required the consent of all the 'Commonwealth Realm', 15 of them IIRC). But there are no first-born females yet who benefit from the change. If anything happened to Prince George, Princess Charlotte would be William's heir apparent over her younger brother.

 

Mary was the daughter of James II so was in the line of succession (but not the heir) and was chosen to replace James when he fled the country and was deemed to have abdicated. They got to ignore the actual heir, because it was basically a coup, and they just could. So she had a valid-ish claim on the throne. William of Orange led an invited invasion force that was what forced James to leave, and he insisted on sharing the throne.

[TruthBTold]

As I understand it Queen Mary ("Bloody Mary") was the first undisputed queen regnant. When she married Prince Phillip of Spain he became King, through an Act of Parliament, but only during Mary's lifetime. She equally became queen to titles that Phillip held on the continent.

[mike carey]

As I understand it Queen Mary ("Bloody Mary") was the first undisputed queen regnant. When she married Prince Phillip of Spain he became King, through an Act of Parliament, but only during Mary's lifetime. She equally became queen to titles that Phillip held on the continent.

Yes, Lady Jane Gray was never accorded the title. I don't think Phillip's title was anything more than a courtesy whereas William and Mary were joint sovereigns and he remained king when she died.

[+ g56whiz]

So whoever inherits the throne through blood is the reigning sovereign, regardless of gender? With a strong preference for a male, rather than female, inheriting the throne? Why was Mary the only Queen to reign alongside a king? I've googled a bit but it's making my head spin

[YAWN]

[TruthBTold]

Yes, Lady Jane Gray was never accorded the title. I don't think Phillip's title was anything more than a courtesy whereas William and Mary were joint sovereigns and he remained king when she died.

 

From what I read certain things had to go out with both Mary and Phillip's names on them but that even though he did have the title in the end she was the real monarch. What was began thinking about is the situation where Mary was actually able to produce a male heir and then he became king of Spain (and all the other stuff associated with that title) would that heir then basically become the monarch of a hell of a lot of Europe. During much of Mary's reign Phillip was trying to get her to enter into a joint war against France but England might be more willing to do that knowing that the king or the future king (or queen) would be this warring giant.

[+ FreshFluff]

Choose your quarantine house:

 

1. David and Wallis

2. Margaret and Tony

3. Charles and Camilla

4. Albert (George VI) and Elizabeth

5. Uncle Dickie (Lord Mountbatten)

6. Lillibet and Philip

Edited April 20, 2020 by FreshFluff

[+ FreshFluff]

Choose your quarantine house:

 

1. David and Wallis

2. Margaret and Tony

3. Charles and Camilla

4. Albert (George VI) and Elizabeth

5. Lord Mountbatten

6. Lillibet and Philip

 

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Edited April 20, 2020 by FreshFluff

[+ g56whiz]

Choose your quarantine house:

 

1. David and Wallis

2. Margaret and Tony

3. Charles and Camilla

4. Albert (George VI) and Elizabeth

5. Uncle Dickie (Lord Mountbatten)

6. Lillibet and Philip

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[+ FreshFluff]

2.

 

She's a lot of fun at the piano, but she'll likely retire to her bedroom most of the time.

[+ g56whiz]

She's a lot of fun at the piano, but she'll likely retire to her bedroom most of the time.

But not alone.