OCClient Posted November 12, 2017 Posted November 12, 2017 Where I don't give is at the pump, which happens now and then. I'm not comfortable interacting with panhandlers wandering from pump to pump asking for help, often to help fill their tank. When I mention I have no cash they'll sometimes respond that's OK, doesn't have to be cash. They are well practiced. I just say no.
+ Avalon Posted November 12, 2017 Author Posted November 12, 2017 What decision did you come to as a result of that experience? I learned my lesson; I don't give.
nynakedtop Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 I always do a particularly NYC way of "giving" - I have an unlimited monthly card for use of the subways, and there are often people at the station from where i exit who need a free "swipe" in order to be able to use the train. I always --without exception-- share the use of my transit pass with people in need. P Gren, LADoug1, BaronArtz and 3 others 6
+ sniper Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 I used to not give at all. Lately I've been giving a dollar like the pope suggests but not always. Once I ended up giving a 20 because I opened my wallet right in front of the person, it was pretty full but I had no change, and I felt like closing it in front of them without giving them anything was too dickish. That person was missing a leg though so I was more okay with giving them that much than I would have been had they appeared more able-bodied. + FreshFluff 1
+ sniper Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 I also once gave an accordion player on my subway car a 20 to STOP playing. hornytwells 1
Rudynate Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 I'm inconsistent. Sometimes I help, and other times not.
Kenny Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 No alcohol? I count alcohol as a drug. + glutes and rvwnsd 2
+ bashful Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Reading these posts tells me there are good people in need, and others...well, like this person: http://www.wxyz.com/news/brighton-panhandler-who-refused-job-offer-and-son-arrested-for-vagrancy
+ sniper Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 I know there are people who are sort of "undeserving poor" but what galls me more than "those people" getting money are when facebook friends who talk about God all the time (#blessed etc) post a story about some beggar who declined their half-eaten food and then fish for praise that they offered them something and reassurance that the beggar clearly wasn't that bad off. I'm like, dude you're bragging about NOT HELPING THE POOR and ignoring Christ's instructions and seeking praise for it. + FreshFluff 1
+ WestGuy Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 No. I am in NYC and the homeless population is out of control since the current mayoral administration came into office. They are literally everywhere in every public facility and neighborhood. Many are very aggressive due to obvious mental problems, for which they should be in treatment. I give to charities that have as their mission helping the poor and homeless.
+ Axiom2001 Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 No. They go and buy alcohol, cigarettes, or drugs with it, so I'd rather keep my change and deposit saved up rolls in my bank once in a while. This is a generalization. Have you ever really had a conversation with any homeless person? [i give at times!] The homeless situation is rampant in San Francisco and Los Angeles, and NOT everyone out there asking for some monetary assistance do it to purchase alcohol or cigs or drugs. BaronArtz and nynakedtop 2
BaronArtz Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Last night, I gave 5O cents to a panhandler in the subway. A guy sitting in the seat in front of me yelled: 'that's wrong'. People are so weird. nynakedtop 1
+ Avalon Posted November 13, 2017 Author Posted November 13, 2017 One time outside the grocery store I frequent there was a woman with a child setting on the sidewalk with a container for money. That really angered me. I saw it as a form of child abuse, exploitation. I complained about it inside the store. Back home I called the Department of Social Services and reported it. Some friends thought I did wrong. In fact no one agreed with what I did. But I still think I did the right thing. I never saw them there again.
+ GregM Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 I prefer to give to local charities than right to the person. There have been exceptions though. I know there are ways around the system on getting food stamps and other forms of assistance. There really is no reason why someone should be out begging for food. Hugs, Greg
+ purplekow Posted November 13, 2017 Posted November 13, 2017 Cynical group here. When I give, which is sometimes, I do so with the expectation that I have no control over what that person may do with the money I give to him nor how much money that person has accrued by this activity, but rather I do it with the expectation that at this particular time and in this particular place, I am feeling a kindness towards another human being who may need my help. On a cold winter night walking in the streets of the NE, I may slip a bill of some denomination into the sleeping bag of a person sleeping on the street with the hope that this may be the dollar or five or ten, that brings this person back. I know some find this naive, I find that the world is frequently a hopeless place and I figure I am not giving away money, I am buying a bit of hope for myself and perhaps the recipient as well. Gadfly22, raife, + Travis69 and 4 others 7
+ Avalon Posted November 13, 2017 Author Posted November 13, 2017 On last night's "Shameless" Ian an EMT treated a teen boy who was dehydrated. His mother makes him go out and beg. He was wearing a sign around his neck.
Gadfly22 Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 Cynical group here. When I give, which is sometimes, I do so with the expectation that I have no control over what that person may do with the money I give to him nor how much money that person has accrued by this activity, but rather I do it with the expectation that at this particular time and in this particular place, I am feeling a kindness towards another human being who may need my help. You don't seem cynical at all but rather sweet. On a cold winter night walking in the streets of the NE, I may slip a bill of some denomination into the sleeping bag of a person sleeping on the street with the hope that this may be the dollar or five or ten, that brings this person back. I know some find this naive, I find that the world is frequently a hopeless place and I figure I am not giving away money, I am buying a bit of hope for myself and perhaps the recipient as well. I wish I had the guts to do this, but I am so scared that something bad will happen that I usually lose my nerve. There are a bunch of guys who hang out at the intersection of Rte 1 and 440 in Jersey City who I'm tempted to give money to but if anyone knows the area you can be stuck at that intersection for a good 15 minutes if you are unlucky so the fact of being trapped there makes me a bit uncomfortable. Its a busy intersection so I take some solace in the fact that they get a lot of passers by. I have even seen 1 or 2 of them buying stuff at a nearby farmers market so the $$ doesn't all go to alcohol etc. There's another guy who is frequently at the Grove st. PATH station in JC. I've given him money a couple times. He is very respectful and always thanks his benefactors. Never have given money to anyone on the NYC subway. I find them aggressive/obnoxious. Plus I can't stand Deblasio. (Sorry I had to)
+ jeezopete Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 Gadfly22, I think purplekow was commenting on the group here in general, not himself. His further statements made me think he's more like Karen Mackenzie from this Knots Landing scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL78-XN-Oxo This speech has stuck with me all these years. I feel that way myself today more than ever. s1conrad 1
MaxMuscle9x6 Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 I'll offer to buy them something to eat, which they can choose. I have had some funny requests.
+ Avalon Posted November 14, 2017 Author Posted November 14, 2017 I don't remember what cities now but I've read there are places that have set up something like a parking meter to give money that will go to panhandlers and not to give to them directly.
sincitymix Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 Its illegal in Nevada to give to panhandlers if you are in your car. I almost got a ticket. Was given a warning, and firmly told that Nevada offers many services for the homeless and etc if they want help. + Avalon 1
LADoug1 Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 Once I bought a cup of coffee and a danish to give to someone begging outside a 7-Eleven. When I handed it to him he thought I was going to give him money. At first he was disappointed but then said “that’s cool “. I wasn’t sure how to feel.
+ sniper Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 You don't seem cynical at all but rather sweet. I wish I had the guts to do this, but I am so scared that something bad will happen that I usually lose my nerve. There are a bunch of guys who hang out at the intersection of Rte 1 and 440 in Jersey City who I'm tempted to give money to but if anyone knows the area you can be stuck at that intersection for a good 15 minutes if you are unlucky so the fact of being trapped there makes me a bit uncomfortable. Its a busy intersection so I take some solace in the fact that they get a lot of passers by. I have even seen 1 or 2 of them buying stuff at a nearby farmers market so the $$ doesn't all go to alcohol etc. There's another guy who is frequently at the Grove st. PATH station in JC. I've given him money a couple times. He is very respectful and always thanks his benefactors. Never have given money to anyone on the NYC subway. I find them aggressive/obnoxious. Plus I can't stand Deblasio. (Sorry I had to) Yeah, I never give to anyone at an intersection. Aside from the risk to you, it's dangerous for them and you don't want to encourage it. Some of these morons are out there in dark clothing at night.
s1conrad Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 I remember about 25 years ago, SF Chronicle did a in-depth report on homeless/panhandler young people in the Haight Ashbury neighborhood. A lot of these teens/20 yr olds were runaways and many with drug addictions. There were some tough stories about how they wound up on the streets. One story stood out: a 19 year old from a small town came to SF to take advantage of the mild climate and free-wheeling atmosphere. He said that he could survive on about $10 per day (most of the donations were by older women who took pity on him "That Could be MY Son"). He stated that he didn't want to put on a coat & time and punch a clock everyday -- so he actually preferred being on the street! The streets are a lot meaner these days---there's constant reports of victims falling to stabbings, beatings and even bleach attacks (!). To answer the question -- yes, I do give to older, disabled people on occasion (esp. with the holidays approaching). But I do not/will not even make eye contact with able-bodied, tattooed, young people reeking of a freshly smoked joint. + glutes 1
+ sniper Posted November 14, 2017 Posted November 14, 2017 I don't think crime stats bear out your assertion that the streets are meaner today than they were 25 years ago. For one thing, the murder rate is something like half of what it was back then. We just hear more about stuff because of social media. raife 1
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