What does versatile means to you and escorts

[Fyton]

I took up this sport close to 5 years ago. I've been in the scene since Studio 54. I had the best schooling that can be had. I started having oral and anal sex while in HS. I was working at USC when the AID virus was found, or given a name. I was sensitized in 83.

 

So, why can't I find a single inclusive definition of "Versatile' that everyone can agree to so that when this subject comes up, we are all on the same page." MY first impression upon seeing the word in context would have been: Equally comportable under either situation. My experience has been just the opposite.

 

I don't "hire" any one who does not assert his topness.

[Fyton]

For example, JockBrad of Columbus OH is reviewed in daddies. EVERYONE is the three rights

"ORAL: Both

ANaL: Versatile"

Three reviewers using the same term the same way , know what the term means

[Despardo]

My understanding is that "versatile" means escort will top or bottom.

 

"Bottom" means escort specializes in bottoming.

 

"Versatile bottom" indicates a preference for bottoming, but will top if pressed.

 

"Top" generally means escort will not bottom.

 

"Versatile top" means escort may bottom under certain circumstance, but generally prefers to top.

 

How individual escorts use these terms is anybody's guess. It is best for the client clearly to express his expectations.

[+ José Soplanucas]

We cannot define a word, meaning is out of our control. And what the word means in reality is "I may be able to top/bottom". So you made a wise decision, my friend. Stay to only tops if you want to bottom.

You may be disappointed anyway.

[buckguy]

Basically, it means you confirm with the guy what it means for him.

[JockBrad]

Oral: Both and Anal:Versatile in reviews does not necessarily mean the session was a flip flop combo. A lot of times reviewers are filling in the form based on the wording of our ads.

For me, my RM ad says I'm "Versatile/Top" meaning I'm more comfortable as a top but can be either depending on the client's wishes. It just depends on the scene they're looking for. I have clients who want to dominate and ones who want to be dominated.

[+ saminseattle]

It just depends on the scene they're looking for. I have clients who want to dominate and ones who want to be dominated.

 

As Annie Lennox says, everybody is looking for something:

 

 

In any event, it is good to see you posting here Brad. Welcome!

[+ sniper]

I'm not clear what "sensitized" means in the OP. Did you mean seroconvert and autocorrect changed it?

[JockBrad]

In any event, it is good to see you posting here Brad. Welcome!

 

Thanks Sam! Good to be here, posting something other than travel dates for a change

Speaking of which, I'm planning to hit Seattle and Portland middle of September.... just sayin

[BasketBaller]

I hire guys to top me, and have had the best experiences with escorts who identify as top only. But I've also had good times with some versatile guys, I've just learned to be open about what I'm looking for. If they reply with enthusiasm it'll work, usually.

[dutchal]

Versatile/top seems sometimes to mean that they're orally versatile but top only for anal.

[+ Axiom2001]

My understanding is that "versatile" means escort will top or bottom.

 

"Bottom" means escort specializes in bottoming.

 

"Versatile bottom" indicates a preference for bottoming, but will top if pressed.

 

"Top" generally means escort will not bottom.

 

"Versatile top" means escort may bottom under certain circumstance, but generally prefers to top.

 

How individual escorts use these terms is anybody's guess. It is best for the client clearly to express his expectations.

 

...superb explanation. Also, in regards to Tops or Top only-- from my experience the guy DOES NOT kiss, or if he does, it's DRY! ...deal buster for me!

[Juan Vancouver]

So you made a wise decision, my friend. Stay to only tops if you want to bottom.

You may be disappointed anyway.

 

You you might be disappointed anyway. Words are words. We all use them and they have intrinsically absolutely no meaning but the meaning we ascribe to them. Imagining that we all use words in the same way is not only childish but dangerous.

 

You won't know what people mean when they say something unless you ask directly. And even then...

 

I'm not clear what "sensitized" means in the OP.

 

I was also very curious about that. Care to elucidate us?

 

Versatile/top seems sometimes to mean that they're orally versatile but top only for anal.

 

No it doesn't. It might have meant that for you a few times and you confirmed your bias empirically, but in truth versatile top might mean as many different and sometimes contradictory things as people who use it.

 

There is no industry glossary. There is no industry standard. If you don't want to spend the 40 seconds asking directly what things mean to the people with whom you are talking you will find time and time again that you are suddenly at a perfectly avoidable impasse created by misunderstanding.

 

Speak up. Ask. Listen.

It works every time.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I know that we all are different and we experience this hobby in a thousand different ways. I like that. But allow me a little piece of advice.

Stop being so focused in the labels. Look at the pictures first. When you find a guy your dick responds to, read the profile. If you also like the vibe of the profile, do not pay any attention to the top/bottom/vers category. Contact the guy describing what you are looking for. You will be surprised if you still believe in those labels.

[Epigonos]

latbear4blk I liked your response so much I wanted to put it in writing rather than simply hit the "Like" button. I couldn't possibly agree with you more -- you nailed it!!!!!

[MikeBiDude]

latbear4blk I liked your response so much I wanted to put it in writing rather than simply hit the "Like" button. I couldn't possibly agree with you more -- you nailed it!!!!!

+1000

[AdamSmith]

I know that we all are different and we experience this hobby in a thousand different ways. I like that. But allow me a little piece of advice.

Stop being so focused in the labels. Look at the pictures first. When you find a guy your dick responds to, read the profile. If you also like the vibe of the profile, do not pay any attention to the top/bottom/vers category. Contact the guy describing what you are looking for. You will be surprised if you still believe in those labels.

Extraordinary wisdom. I book somebody thinking one thing, we meet and I find I completely flip.

 

Etc.

[Nvr2Thick]

It means "ask me"

[Nvr2Thick]

See also:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/versatile-annoyance.102267/#post-940958

[Decatur Guy]

I take it on face value: Versatile means equally at ease as top or bottom. I take versatile top to be can do either but prefers top. I take versatile bottom to be can do either but prefers bottom.

[Juan Vancouver]

See also:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/versatile-annoyance.102267/#post-940958

 

I really don't know if you are sharing this as a joke, but the result is the same. You are sharing this poison and you are spreading prejudice and disinformation. This whole idea that only a true top is a top and everyone is a desperate nelly queen needing to get fucked and lying about it comes from the outdated, hateful misogynistic rhetoric that tells us that men are better than women and the penetrator is better than the receptor. This is nothing but "humour" at the service of internalized homophobia.

 

All about this is wrong, not only the hilarious conception that someone is either a top or a bottom (the desperate need to categorize others and willingly putting oneself into a single, limited category) , but the idea that the overwhelming majority of men, who are bottoms, should be ashamed of it and should lie to aspire to be at the top of the chain, namely, to become a top.

 

This kind of rhetoric should not be allowed in a forum like this; The homophobia, self-hatred and shame that it causes is very damaging to a LGBT man's mind and we should all try to keep this poison away.

 

This kind of rhetoric should be as frowned upon as if anyone came here saying that all latinos should try to lie and hide the fact that they wished they were white or all women are worse and should try to become men. T.his kind of rhetoric doesn't have a place in a civilized conversation.

 

You might find this list hilarious, but if you do, it's only because of the internalized shame you are carrying inside.

 

Be kind to others, don't share this poison.

[beachboy]

I really don't know if you are sharing this as a joke, but the result is the same. You are sharing this poison and you are spreading prejudice and disinformation. This whole idea that only a true top is a top and everyone is a desperate nelly queen needing to get fucked and lying about it comes from the outdated, hateful misogynistic rhetoric that tells us that men are better than women and the penetrator is better than the receptor. This is nothing but "humour" at the service of internalized homophobia.

 

All about this is wrong, not only the hilarious conception that someone is either a top or a bottom (the desperate need to categorize others and willingly putting oneself into a single, limited category) , but the idea that the overwhelming majority of men, who are bottoms, should be ashamed of it and should lie to aspire to be at the top of the chain, namely, to become a top.

 

This kind of rhetoric should not be allowed in a forum like this; The homophobia, self-hatred and shame that it causes is very damaging to a LGBT man's mind and we should all try to keep this poison away.

 

This kind of rhetoric should be as frowned upon as if anyone came here saying that all latinos should try to lie and hide the fact that they wished they were white or all women are worse and should try to become men. T.his kind of rhetoric doesn't have a place in a civilized conversation.

 

You might find this list hilarious, but if you do, it's only because of the internalized shame you are carrying inside.

 

Be kind to others, don't share this poison.

Well said Juan.

[Nvr2Thick]

I really don't know if you are sharing this as a joke, but the result is the same. You are sharing this poison and you are spreading prejudice and disinformation. This whole idea that only a true top is a top and everyone is a desperate nelly queen needing to get fucked and lying about it comes from the outdated, hateful misogynistic rhetoric that tells us that men are better than women and the penetrator is better than the receptor. This is nothing but "humour" at the service of internalized homophobia.

 

All about this is wrong, not only the hilarious conception that someone is either a top or a bottom (the desperate need to categorize others and willingly putting oneself into a single, limited category) , but the idea that the overwhelming majority of men, who are bottoms, should be ashamed of it and should lie to aspire to be at the top of the chain, namely, to become a top.

 

This kind of rhetoric should not be allowed in a forum like this; The homophobia, self-hatred and shame that it causes is very damaging to a LGBT man's mind and we should all try to keep this poison away.

 

This kind of rhetoric should be as frowned upon as if anyone came here saying that all latinos should try to lie and hide the fact that they wished they were white or all women are worse and should try to become men. T.his kind of rhetoric doesn't have a place in a civilized conversation.

 

You might find this list hilarious, but if you do, it's only because of the internalized shame you are carrying inside.

 

Be kind to others, don't share this poison.

 

You're putting a tremendous amount of effort into creating a rather twisted analysis for the express purpose of establishing yourself as a schooling superior. Get over yourself. There are more noteworthy achievements in life than false machinations in pursuit of the ironic role of a male escort forum's moral compass. Don't attribute these thoughts to me; these are your own ideas or self-important interpretation, and are a very long stretch from mine. Please don't seek to satisfy yourself and court an audience with overly dramatic and dark projections onto my words.

 

Better yet, take your own fine advice:

 

If this information is not relevant or useful to you, then I find it hard to understand what is it that you look for in this Forum. But if it is not important to you, I encourage you not to read my posts. If you think my posts might be inappropriate please notify the moderators. They will gladly help you.

[JockBrad]

Bottom (no pub intended) line, take the escort's ad at his word, and also ask whatever you need to ask to find out if he's a good match for you.

And don't automatically write off someone because his ad says versatile, versatile/top, versatile/bottom, or any combo in between. Don't forget this is a business, and the idea is to cater to as many diverse tastes and as wide an audience as possible.

A bakery may make the BEST pie in town, but that doesn't mean they can't make a damn fine cake too!

[Juan Vancouver]

You're putting a tremendous amount of effort into creating a rather twisted analysis for the express purpose of establishing yourself as a schooling superior. Get over yourself. There are more noteworthy achievements in life than false machinations in pursuit of the ironic role of a male escort forum's moral compass. Don't attribute these thoughts to me; these are your own ideas or self-important interpretation, and are a very long stretch from mine. Please don't seek to satisfy yourself and court an audience with overly dramatic and dark projections onto my words.

 

My man,

 

If someone came here and made racist or sexist jokes I'd very happily point out the grossness of it and would try to rile up people against this. This is not because I am trying to establish myself as anything; I'm still just an old, dumb, latino faceless hooker. I am sorry if you think any intelligent argument against your self-hating, homophobic post is trying to achieve intellectual superiority over you.

 

This is actually not effortful at all. It comes very naturally whenever I see or read something that is designed to keep us (fags, blacks, latinos, women, bottoms, bisexuals, transexuals, you name it) ashamed, belittled, afraid, hating ourselves.

 

You are wrong, I am not interested in aggrandizing myself; I don't need to work hard for any further achievements in life; anyone who has had his cock sucked by me will be able to attest that I have already earned my place in heaven.

 

My "interpretation" actually is perfectly in line with your "defence" post, which is nothing but an attack, calling me overtly dramatic, insecure, self-aggrandizing, belittling my intelligence and trying to bring the attention to me, rather than intelligently discussing the issue at hand, which is homophobia and internalized shame and self-hatred.

 

If you have any problem with my posts, don't read them if that will spare you the shame of feeling unintelligent and judged. I, however, cannot just ignore this poison and whenever anyone tries to spread it, I will gladly point it out, dissect it and try to diffuse the bite of it's hatred so that other people may become aware of something they were carrying within without knowing.

 

I don't have any hope that my writing might change your mind at all, but I think it might help others who are on the fence to see this situation with different eyes. Don't, worry, I am not trying to convince YOU of anything.

 

If you think you are allowed to keep spreading this vile, I think it is my right and duty to -in a civil way and without resorting to childish name calling- point it out and fight it.

 

All the best!