Real life SHITuation-- What would you do???

[YoungAD]

I just read another post by YounAD responding to Mocha in another thread, equally aggressive. I don't remember him, maybe we are dealing here with one of our adorable trolls? I'm not sure.

 

Brian can decide for himself whether or not to listen to my viewpoint, harsh or not. As for Mocha, your viewpoint illustrates the adage that every bully has his enablers.

[Brian Kevin]

Sooooo I think JD or one of our famous trolls are back.

 

Welcome back from the banishing. You tried to get me to react, but instead, all one did was giggle at you.

Your words are nothing more than sticks and stones. If that was YOUR mother thrown to the floor, you'd expect someone to help.

 

Welcome to the blocked/muted and black listed club.

[notforme]

your parent raised a fine man!!!!!

[Brian Kevin]

your parent raised a fine man!!!!!

 

Not according to this jerk off.

 

I probably should not of helped with the grade fire and the two kids, left them all to burn to death. I am just so hot headed and immature. Someone show him my burns. Someone. Please. Show him how immature and how much of a bully I am. Please. Because I ran into a burning apartment and saved 2 children, a mother and the whole apartment complex.

 

Sorry I'm not sorry.

[+ sniper]

Brian, your heart was in the right place and morally I think you are perfectly in the clear and you did good . The thing is the law gets persnickety about things. As a practical matter in a situation like that first thing to do is get the woman clear. If he was going in for another hit I would think you are completely insulated from any type of assault charge. But if he shoved her and that was it I think restraining the person is legally fine but striking them could be another matter entirely. That said from your description of things I doubt anyone is going to prosecute you. But you also probably shouldn't talk about it on social media. Again this is from a legal risk perspective, not a moral/ethical one. (I'm not a lawyer, just work in insurance so have a smattering of knowledge about liability issues).

[Kippy]

The negative reactions are a bit of the "sky is falling" syndrome of chicken little. While there may be legal considerations ( and lack of response from the establishment's management is one of them) the question remains: Is it better to do the right thing and sort out the consequences later; or to stand idly by and await some other person's action and live with a tinge of regret. It would be easy for me to answer this since I don't have the physical presence of Brian. Nice work Brian-- we all can't/ don't act so decisively! Sniper has excellent comments above!

 

Peace,

 

Kipp

[Frequentflier]

youre at a bar, on the phone with your mother outside enjoying The breeze. Next thing you know a 95 lb 20 something gay-man throws a 75 lbs 30something to the ground, she bounces off her head and her whole purse spills out. 30 people around you. NO ONE helps her..... What do you do???

 

I. WHOOPED. THAT. ASS. I got in multiple punches in then he grabbed my neck in a lock, similar to a chokehold and had me about a minute from passing out. The only person who tried to help was the lady bleeding from her head. I bit, I scratched, I grabbed his dick and balls and squeezed and twisted -- he kept yelling "harder, harder that's all you got? I'm going to kill you faggot!!" I yelled at her to back off, with one last burst of energy I pick the boy up by his knees and slam him back first into the concrete. My knees broke my fall. I proceeded to punch him in the face sitting on his waist, until he calmed down. I held him down by his shoulders and put my knee into his stomach to hold him down. I told him to stop and to calm the fuck down. He did and we waited for the police to show up with him restrained. The police came and he was arrested the lady went to the ER and I walked home to the Sheraton hotel! Thinking, crying.... Wondering why no one helped the lady. What would of happend if I wasn't here?? Would she of been beaten to death while 30 people watched?

 

I'm a non-violent and happy person, but I will not watch women be hurt by a man. Ever. Never!

 

I hope if you see something, maybe don't fight, but protect the women. Call the police, get a beer bottle and knock him out.

 

Being 6ft6 and 220+ lbs has advantages, the lady, before leaving in the ambulance, insisted she gives me a hug and kiss. She wasn't even drunk, neither was I. I had been chatting with her for over 2 hours, we were both there by ourselves trying to vibe and have fun. There was never a reason as to why she was thrown to the floor. The 20 something boy, seemingly snapped. Maybe drugs? Super drunk? Drugs and liquor? I'll never know or ever go back to that messy fucking place.

 

Columbus, OH do NOT go to Boscoe's on the south side. Terrible that the owners, bar tenders and bar backs were apart of the 30 something group of people just watching.

 

Good job standing up for someone that couldn't defend themself - plus I don't like bullies. Glad you're ok. I too am surprise nobody else stepped in. At a minimum a group could have just separated everyone and held them apart until the police arrived - that's not taking sides.

[YoungAD]

The negative reactions are a bit of the "sky is falling" syndrome of chicken little. While there may be legal considerations ( and lack of response from the establishment's management is one of them) the question remains: Is it better to do the right thing and sort out the consequences later; or to stand idly by and await some other person's action and live with a tinge of regret.

 

I think Brian should find a cop, tell him exactly what happened and then post what the cop says. I stand by my advice. There is a reason why cops tell bystanders to be smart and to avoid conflicts. You can get shot, stabbed or worse. I stand by my comments about Brian's heated attitude towards the topic. He asked for insight and opinions and got some. If Brian wants to act like another escort who is infamous for refusing to accept the slightest criticism, well that is his prerogative.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Sooooo I think JD or one of our famous trolls are back.

 

Welcome back from the banishing. You tried to get me to react, but instead, all one did was giggle at you.

Your words are nothing more than sticks and stones. If that was YOUR mother thrown to the floor, you'd expect someone to help.

 

Welcome to the blocked/muted and black listed club.

 

He is not JD. Look at his grammar. And I do think you should consider some of his advice. He is rude, disrespectful and judgemental and the way he addressed you ruined any good intentions he may have. However, again, there are some valid points in his post that I think you should consider.

[BabyBoomer]

He is not JD.

 

But he posted in several JD threads.

 

~ Boomer ~

[+ nycman]

I have to agree. The tone was harsh and a tad judgemental....but I also agree with the facts.

 

I had a friend get his hotel broken into and his wallet stolen while he was sleeping.

He woke up mid-robbery. He chased the guy and tackled him in the stairwell. There was

a fight with punches thrown but no major injuries. In the end he pinned the guy until the

cops arrived.

 

My friends lawyer's advice?....

 

"you were an idiot....

forget filing charges....

just get out of town NOW before he files assault charges against you".

 

If there is a clear and present danger to you or the person you are defending

at that moment....and you only use as much force as a reasonable person would

to end the threat...then maybe...you can use force.

 

Unfortunately, in our country...that will be decided by a jury in court.

 

Once your 6'6'' #215 body is straddling him on the ground....it's hard to argue that he's

much of a threat to her. If you continue to punch him, give him a subdural and he dies....

you will be charged with murder....trust me. Convicted?...up to the jury....but good luck!

 

You do seem to get involved in "hero situations" with a strange frequency.....

[Brian Kevin]

AGAIN I SPOKE WITH THE COPS WHEN THEY ARRIVED AND ARRESTED HIM. PLEASE JD IF YOUR GONNA TALK SHIT, please read the whole post.

 

The cops showed up. They asked what happen and arrested him. Nobody asked for my name or information. They thanked me for not letting the women get hurt. Maybe I should just post the video so YOU CAN SEE how savagely this women was thrown to the floor. Then you tell me I'm wrong again.

 

I respect everyone's opion but I've never came for anyone on this forum but I was just came for by this man.

 

Again-- I never called myself a hero. But I will not sit by and just watch. If you would just sit by and watch-- I feel sorry for you. Calling the police? Really that's what you'd do??????????????? When a women who did nothing was thrown to the floor, you wanna just walk away and call the police??? OHkaY...

 

You don't like me. I get it. I'm fine with that. Like I said what if that was your mother, sister, niece thrown to the ground... Would YOU want someone to just walk away and call the cops?

 

I think another forum vacation is due for my personal life. I get some truly amazing and spectacular guys off here by sharing my REAL WORLD stories. Right now from this point forward, it's gonna be all business for me.

 

Unlike, who-ever-your-pretending-to-be I have a great head on my shoulders and I won't let you make me feel bad. Cops, my mother, my friends and family all Have supported my actions as the 30 something people standing by.

 

It's funny I've NEVER had a problem with ANYONE but JD here.

 

Long fucking gevity mother fucker.

 

you ain't running me off the forum! Bitter cause your banished. Tisk tisk tisk. You just mad I didn't answer your phone calls when I was in Atlanta.

 

The. Fucking. End.

 

Admin please close this thread. I can't. Sorry to have even posted it. If it's not about politics or donkey dicks God fucking forbid you share it.

[beachboy]

Don't let anyone get to you fella. You have a lot of friends here who support & really care about you, so don't stay away - we'd miss you loads. Big bugs big fella.

[+ quoththeraven]

Brian -

 

You were more than entitled to defend that woman. But all that required was for you to use your body to protect her, not to go after her attacker. Getting in between them and restraining him, making sure someone calls the cops, helping her pick up her purse, those are all helpful and about her. Beating him up was your way to deal with your anger at him and didn't really have anything to do with protecting her. Rather, you were punishing him for what he'd already done.

 

It's still better than standing by and doing nothing, and it's likely you won't get called on the carpet for it, but it's not the best way to deal with it. That's what the legal system is for: to keep people from executing justice privately.

 

Aa for me, since I'm only 5'1", I'd be calling the police (or making sure they'd been called), helping pick her stuff up, and yelling my head off asking why people were just watching looking for people to restrain him and form a protective cordon around her.

[Brian Kevin]

Brian -

 

You were more than entitled to defend that woman. But all that required was for you to use your body to protect her, not to go after her attacker. Getting in between them and restraining him, making sure someone calls the cops, helping her pick up her purse, those are all helpful and about her. Beating him up was your way to deal with your anger at him and didn't really have anything to do with protecting her. Rather, you were punishing him for what he'd already done.

 

It's still better than standing by and doing nothing, and it's likely you won't get called on the carpet for it, but it's not the best way to deal with it. That's what the legal system is for: to keep people from executing justice privately.

 

Aa for me, since I'm only 5'1", I'd be calling the police (or making sure they'd been called), helping pick her stuff up, and yelling my head off asking why people were just watching looking for people to restrain him and form a protective cordon around her.

 

You're 100% correct. I've always reapected your opion. Thanks for contributing it tonight and being respectful with me, it's deeply appricated. I hope my gratitude is showing

[TruHart1]

Yes, I do believe most of us think you are a true hero, Brian. YoungAD however is not JD so please be a gentleman and stop the name calling. Thank you.

 

TruHart1

[+ quoththeraven]

You're 100% correct. I've always reapected your opion. Thanks for contributing it tonight and being respectful with me, it's deeply appricated. I hope my gratitude is showing

 

I think this was actually YoungAD's point. He just expressed it differently than I did.

[YoungAD]

AGAIN I SPOKE WITH THE COPS WHEN THEY ARRIVED AND ARRESTED HIM. PLEASE JD IF YOUR GONNA TALK SHIT, please read the whole post.

 

The cops showed up. They asked what happen and arrested him. Nobody asked for my name or information. They thanked me for not letting the women get hurt. Maybe I should just post the video so YOU CAN SEE how savagely this women was thrown to the floor. Then you tell me I'm wrong again.

 

I respect everyone's opion but I've never came for anyone on this forum but I was just came for by this man.

 

Again-- I never called myself a hero. But I will not sit by and just watch. If you would just sit by and watch-- I feel sorry for you. Calling the police? Really that's what you'd do??????????????? When a women who did nothing was thrown to the floor, you wanna just walk away and call the police??? OHkaY...

 

You don't like me. I get it. I'm fine with that. Like I said what if that was your mother, sister, niece thrown to the ground... Would YOU want someone to just walk away and call the cops?

 

I think another forum vacation is due for my personal life. I get some truly amazing and spectacular guys off here by sharing my REAL WORLD stories. Right now from this point forward, it's gonna be all business for me.

 

Unlike, who-ever-your-pretending-to-be I have a great head on my shoulders and I won't let you make me feel bad. Cops, my mother, my friends and family all Have supported my actions as the 30 something people standing by.

 

It's funny I've NEVER had a problem with ANYONE but JD here.

 

Long fucking gevity mother fucker.

 

you ain't running me off the forum! Bitter cause your banished. Tisk tisk tisk. You just mad I didn't answer your phone calls when I was in Atlanta.

 

The. Fucking. End.

 

Admin please close this thread. I can't. Sorry to have even posted it. If it's not about politics or donkey dicks God fucking forbid you share it.

 

Brian,

 

If you will take the time to recall the thread you posted about the fire, you will see I made a post that in essence said to be sure to watch out for yourself and to plan for the unexpected. I requested you make sure to explore all avenues of seeking help for yourself and your injury, and to make sure you weren't allowing yourself to get into a situation that might have unfortunate and perhaps permanent repercussions for you. That is exactly what I have done here. Per the title of your thread you requested advice and you got some. Perhaps I should have been more clear, pertaining to the details you provided about the exchange between yourself and this man. In all honesty you come across as gloating about having not only protected the woman, but also having attacked and subdued the man. You kicked his fucking ass. I am happy you protected the woman and prevented her from being harmed further, especially since no one else made any move to do so. That does not change the fact that you allowed yourself to be drawn into a situation during which you became violent and possibly dangerous. I question why you did not simply restrain the man, since, as you described him, weighed less than a hundred pounds. Again, with the disparity in size and strength you could have quite easily harmed or even killed him, and if you believe the cops would have thanked you then, you are mistaken. This is not a question of liking or disliking you or criticising you as a person, or escort or as a contributor to this forum. It is my observation you are a hothead and rash, and your subsequent posts appear to substantiate this. You come off above as petulant and upset I did not give you yet another pat on the back and call you a hero. I do not disagree with the fact that you got involved and defended someone. I do disagree with how you got involved and to what degree. A judge could easily find this to be overkill, and then you would face either criminal or civil court.

[bigvalboy]

Brian,

 

If you will take the time to recall the thread you posted about the fire, you will see I made a post that in essence said to be sure to watch out for yourself and to plan for the unexpected. I requested you make sure to explore all avenues of seeking help for yourself and your injury, and to make sure you weren't allowing yourself to get into a situation that might have unfortunate and perhaps permanent repercussions for you. That is exactly what I have done here. Per the title of your thread you requested advice and you got some. Perhaps I should have been more clear, pertaining to the details you provided about the exchange between yourself and this man. In all honesty you come across as gloating about having not only protected the woman, but also having attacked and subdued the man. You kicked his fucking ass. I am happy you protected the woman and prevented her from being harmed further, especially since no one else made any move to do so. That does not change the fact that you allowed yourself to be drawn into a situation during which you became violent and possibly dangerous. I question why you did not simply restrain the man, since, as you described him, weighed less than a hundred pounds. Again, with the disparity in size and strength you could have quite easily harmed or even killed him, and if you believe the cops would have thanked you then, you are mistaken. This is not a question of liking or disliking you or criticising you as a person, or escort or as a contributor to this forum. It is my observation you are a hothead and rash, and your subsequent posts appear to substantiate this. You come off above as petulant and upset I did not give you yet another pat on the back and call you a hero. I do not disagree with the fact that you got involved and defended someone. I do disagree with how you got involved and to what degree. A judge could easily find this to be overkill, and then you would face either criminal or civil court.

 

+1

 

I think Brian that you have many fans and supporters here, and that is a wonderful gift, but some have blindly supported you, and that is of concern. When you post something, and ask for advice, be prepared to at least give that advice some thoughtful consideration. I hope you read YoungAD's post carefully. Putting personalities aside for a moment (@TruHart1 is correct, YoungAD is not JD) He makes a series of excellent points as does QTR, that are very important. I hope you think about them. What was particularly chilling to me was his comment that you could have killed him, if he fell and hit his head, or he could have just as easily pulled a knife and killed you. You see this kind of stuff on the 11 0'clock news all the time. These are real life scenarios that could have happened, and in the heat of the moment have to be considered. All advice here comes from people who care about you.

 

That said...A quick story from this old man. When I was about your age, friends and I were on vacation at the River in Arizona. Late in the evening, as we left the bar, we saw a guy in the parking lot slapping his girlfriend around. He hit her so hard that he knocked her to the pavement and he started to kick her. She was screaming for him to stop. We intervened, pulled him off of her, and then tried to subdue him, but he was a big kid and drunk and began hitting us back, and the fight was on. Moments later the girlfriend got up and started hitting us because we were hitting her boyfriend, even though he had just beat her up... It was a real "WTF" moment. She was screaming at us to leave her boyfriend alone. The cops were called, and guess who got arrested. We did. We were later released with no charges, but the one thing the officer said to us that night that has always stuck. He said, "This was none of your business, he could have pulled a gun and killed you, next time call the police and stay out of it, guys like you make are job more difficult"

 

Wish you luck with everything in your life, and as always wish you safe travels.

[tyro]

Hi BriBri!

Please keep in mind the old expression "No good deed goes unpunished." No matter what you say, do, or even think, SOMEBODY will take offense and welcome the chance to share that view.

 

I have ALWAYS been grateful that you have showed us varying facets of yourself. Some working guys use this forum to post their travel itineraries and little else. That doesn't tell me a thing about the man behind the post. Thus, I'm grateful that you started this thread.

 

The folks who posted about potential legal difficulties are absolutely right. However, I find it sad that, as a society, we seem to be more and more willing to "let someone else handle it." It sounds like, if your story is accurate, no one else was ready or willing to help this woman. Your quick thinking, reflexes, and muscles took over, and I have NO problem with that.

 

This is my concern: If I remember correctly, there is video footage of this event available through your social media. Please remove that NOW. People see what they want to. Don't give them the chance.

 

Make sure that you take extreme self-care actions this week. Don't let yourself get too hungry, angry, lonely, or tired. Check in with your Higher Power. Your nerves are raw right now. Take care of Brian.

 

Mama T's done now.

T

PS You can be my hero anytime.

[+ nycman]

They asked what happen and arrested him. Nobody asked for my name or information.

 

Brian,

 

I'm going to try and make this my last post in this thread because I'm afraid our advice and concerns are falling on deaf ears. Most, if not all, of the people who have posted in this thread have done so out of concern for you and your well being. I'm sure some of the "critisms" were hard to hear and some felt like personal attacks.

 

Assume, they were meant in good faith and re-read this thread. Hopefully you can glean some positive and insightful things from it. What you did was noble. I don't think any one here is saying otherwise. Just maybe...maybe...you could of handled it a little differently. None of us were there so none of us will ever know. Even video footage (which I agree you should take down immediately) doesn't tell the whole story.

 

I have no clue if JD is posting in this thread or not. Personally none of the posts "smell" like him to me but who knows. Nonetheless, certainly we are not all JD.

 

One last comment on your statement above. I happen to be involved frequently with police. I can tell you for a fact the reason they didn't take your name isn't because what you did was right. They did it to protect YOU. They knew it was better for YOU to disappear into the night and remain anonymous. You need to do everything possible to make that happen. Plain and simple they were worried that you could be charged with assault....so they let you "slip away".

 

Trust me on this one....please....and let this event slip away.

 

Again, what I've written comes from a place of love and concern.

Please try and take it that way.

[LivingnLA]

Some great advice in this thread. I hope @Brian Kevin is able to read it with an open mind and see the solid suggestions.

 

In my situation--which I mentioned above--I restrained the guy. Yes, he fought and his arm was ultimately broken because of his struggling, but the police understood how it all went down. My actions were reasonable.

 

In your case, Brian, you were significantly larger than the attacker based on your description and you did more than just restrain him. I admire your willingness to help and defend those under attack, but given how you did more than restrain him, there's a possibility you'll be charged with assault. It's probably not a high possibility, but you never know.

 

So, as many have suggested, you want to minimize your publicity about this event. If an uppity ADA or civil lawyer get wind of it and decide to try and use your case to make some money, PR, or whatever then you'll regret those videos if they do indeed show you "whooping ass" instead of "defending a woman & restraining an attacker."

 

Lastly, as someone who struggled with complex emotions and life experiences that no teenager should've had to deal with, I urge you to continue to work on yourself. It's a lifelong process learning how to work with our emotions and thoughts while channeling our energies in healthy ways.

 

Be well and take @Brian Kevin.

[rvwnsd]

Brian, before you accuse me of being JD, let me assure you that I am not him. Nor am I @YoungAD. That being said...

 

I'm going to relate an experience that a former neighbor had. She married a guy (let's call him "Adam") whom she later found out had been charged and later convicted of assault with a deadly weapon. The weapon was "his fists" and the victim was a guy (let's call him "Bob") that had hit his own girlfriend. Adam beat the shit out of Bob. Days later, Bob filed a criminal complaint against Adam. When the case got to court, Bob and his girlfriend testified against Adam. Adam was convicted and sent to jail.

 

You seem like a nice guy whose intentions are good. You also seem like a guy who escalates situations very quickly, is quick to call names, and does not always think before he acts.

 

After you read this thread, here is something think about before you react:

 

You have posted the following about @YoungAD

 

Sooooo I think JD or one of our famous trolls are back.

 

Welcome back from the banishing. You tried to get me to react, but instead, all one did was giggle at you.

Your words are nothing more than sticks and stones. If that was YOUR mother thrown to the floor, you'd expect someone to help.

 

Welcome to the blocked/muted and black listed club.

 

Not according to this jerk off.

 

I probably should not of helped with the grade fire and the two kids, left them all to burn to death. I am just so hot headed and immature. Someone show him my burns. Someone. Please. Show him how immature and how much of a bully I am. Please. Because I ran into a burning apartment and saved 2 children, a mother and the whole apartment complex.

 

Sorry I'm not sorry.

 

Calling another member names, accusing them of being "a troll," and accusing them of being a disparaged escort whose name we do not speak are the types of behaviors that can get a member "timed out," either temporarily or permanently. Should one or more members "whoop your ass" and report you to the Forum moderators? Or should you, like the guy who you beat up, have not engaged in that behavior?

 

Nothing @YoungAD stated makes him a troll. He disagreed with you. People disagree all the time. Your reaction to him sounds a lot like that escort whom you accused @YoungAD of being. Does that make you that escort?

[Brian Kevin]

Im nothing like JD. There is a way to say something to someone and a way not to say something.

 

Next time someone's life is in danger, I'll just walk away and call 911! Then I'll run back here and let you know how great of a job I did!

 

Thanks for all your helpful advice

[YoungAD]

Im nothing like JD. There is a way to say something to someone and a way not to say something.

 

Next time someone's life is in danger, I'll just walk away and call 911! Then I'll run back here and let you know how great of a job I did!

 

Thanks for all your helpful advice

 

Actually you sound a lot more like Mocha.

 

Brian, I always thought you were a blunt, tell-it-like-it-is kind of guy. I apologize for not realizing you need a free kitten with your advice. I won't offer you any more. Good luck to you.