Are You Disinclined to Hire When Intellectual Deficiency Is Readily Depicted in an Ad?

[EvanDelillo]

DUDE ? I see you have a command of proper English language. You're funny boy !

 

You're embarrassing yourself if you think you can call me out on my ablity to switch registers to communicate with greater efficacy. Yes, my facility with the English language is so well-developed that I can incorporate vaguely slangy phrases into my speech to maximize impact — what of it? There is nothing wrong with using dude if it's used properly.

 

We're having a polite, engaging conversation about the arcane nuances of prescriptive English usage that satisfies our intellectual curiosity, and you're here kicking and screaming because it's (somehow) getting in the way of your quest to reduce every hardworking escort in this business to a brainless piece of meat. It's demeaning. It's ideologically repugnant to me. You don't respect the men you hire and my heart breaks for them.

[jjkrkwood]

You're embarrassing yourself if you think you can call me out on my ablity to switch registers to communicate with greater efficacy. Yes, my facility with the English language is so well-developed that I can incorporate vaguely slangy phrases into my speech to maximize impact — what of it? There is nothing wrong with using dude if it's used properly.

 

We're having a polite, engaging conversation about the arcane nuances of prescriptive English usage that satisfies our intellectual curiosity, and you're here kicking and screaming because it's (somehow) getting in the way of your quest to reduce every hardworking escort in this business to a brainless piece of meat. It's demeaning. It's ideologically repugnant to me. You don't respect the men you hire and my heart breaks for them.

 

 

 

You're still funny, and you need to get a grip and chill. Somehow I think we know you by a different name here, and this Evan person is your new incarnation ? Welcome back, whoever you were, but you really need to slow down boy.... you probably are enjoying hearing yourself speak, but I'm not impressed. You're coming off very "affected", and I don't think that's the person you really are. You can tell when a person is being themselves and when they are actting. You are trying way too hard. Have a nice day.

[EvanDelillo]

You're still funny, and you need to get a grip and chill. Somehow I think we know you by a different name here, and this Evan person is your new incarnation ? Welcome back, whoever you were, but you really need to slow down boy.... you probably are enjoying hearing yourself speak, but I'm not impressed. You're coming off very "affected", and I don't think that's the person you really are. You can tell when a person is being themselves and when they are actting. You are trying way too hard. Have a nice day.

 

I'm not trying to impress you. I'm trying to get rid of you, to get you to stop complaining about a conversation that doesn't involve you. You don't like it? Don't read this thread.

 

But the dehumanizing way you talk about men genuinely disgusts me.

[jimboivyo]

I'm not trying to impress you. I'm trying to get rid of you, to get you to stop complaining about a conversation that doesn't involve you. You don't like it? Don't read this thread.

 

But the dehumanizing way you talk about men genuinely disgusts me.

 

 

well said kid

[jjkrkwood]

I'm not trying to impress you. I'm trying to get rid of you, to get you to stop complaining about a conversation that doesn't involve you. You don't like it? Don't read this thread.

 

But the dehumanizing way you talk about men genuinely disgusts me.

 

Listen, since you are so astute, learn that when you are new to the party, you need to behave with some decorum. Stop ranting, you made your point, over and over again, and whoever wanted to receive it, did so.. We all get it, you THINK you're smart... And please try to learn the difference between a "complaint" and a humorous sidebar. That knowledge will take you far.

[geminibear]

 

and in this corner......

[Will Do]

Listen, since you are so astute, learn that when you are new to the party, you need to behave with some decorum. Stop ranting, you made your point, over and over again, and whoever wanted to receive it, did so.. We all get it, you THINK you're smart... And please try to learn the difference between a "complaint" and a humorous sidebar. That knowledge will take you far.

 

Uh oh, now you've done it, Juan Vancouver will be pontificating all over you, Sister.

 

I had to throw away my monitor after he pontificated all over me when I used stern words recently.

[jjkrkwood]

Uh oh, now you've done it, Juan Vancouver will be pontificating all over you, Sister.

 

I had to throw away my monitor after he pontificated all over me when I used stern words recently.

 

 

That's OK WD. everyone should be able to have their say. The funny part is I made a general comment and this kid comes at me out of nowhere with a personal attack. I dont fight with people anymore, but I wont let people attack me. If you know me, my reply was rather polite I think ? Pontificate ? That sounds Holy. Is Juan a man of the cloth ?

[Richard3]

I have to agree that the way the conversation here has turned is creepy and offensive. "Escorts are so dumb, right!?" – "Actually, the dumber the better!" – "They're just objects for my pleasure! Who cares what they think?"

 

That's pretty disturbing. I really don't believe that that's what this site stands for.

[jjkrkwood]

I have to agree that the way the conversation here has turned is creepy and offensive. "Escorts are so dumb, right!?" – "Actually, the dumber the better!" – "They're just objects for my pleasure! Who cares what they think?"

 

That's pretty disturbing. I really don't believe that that's what this site stands for.

 

Nobody here said escorts were dumb, but several, including myself have said we dont care if they are dumb, because we dont hire them for their intelligence but for their cocks and ass and sex. People need to learn to READ before going off on rants about comments that arent accurate. If its your thing to spend $300 bucks an hour to have an intelligent conversation with a hot guy, do so, but dont chastise others whose priorities are different.

[Richard3]

Jeez, I didn't call you out by name so I don't get the rancor, but listen, I did read. And I acknowledge that it's a matter of taste, and yeah to me intelligence counts for a lot. But IMHO saying an escort's intelligence doesn't matter AT ALL is inherently offensive. Breaking them up by their body parts like that just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. We're not fratboys in a 1980s stag comedy looking through a peephole into the girls' shower or a bunch of 1950s execs talking about their secretaries. We're better than that. I pride myself on treating escorts with respect, not as objects. Just feels to me like a lot of guys on this thread aren't aware or don't care that escorts are fully formed people. Again, just how I personally feel...not making this personal.

[jjkrkwood]

Jeez, I didn't call you out by name so I don't get the rancor, but listen, I did read. And I acknowledge that it's a matter of taste, and yeah to me intelligence counts for a lot. But IMHO saying an escort's intelligence doesn't matter AT ALL is inherently offensive. Breaking them up by their body parts like that just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. We're not fratboys in a 1980s stag comedy looking through a peephole into the girls' shower or a bunch of 1950s execs talking about their secretaries. We're better than that. I pride myself on treating escorts with respect, not as objects. Just feels to me like a lot of guys on this thread aren't aware or don't care that escorts are fully formed people. Again, just how I personally feel...not making this personal.

 

I hear you Richard, and its understood, however escorts have CHOSEN a profession whereby for most who engage them they are a sexual commodity. It may sound harsh, but its the truth of the matter, and those that said they didnt care if the guy they hire was dumb, as long as he was Sexy and threw them a good fuck were coming from that perspective. Its the correlation between them as people and the nature of the profession they have chosen. All we are obligated to do is show up on time, be respectful, be CLEAN, and pay the fee. Anything above that is a personal choice. In most cases, for that 1 or 2 hours your are with them, they are objects, of desire and fantasy, and they are being compensated for it, so its a win/win.... Honestly those are MY views and I dont feel i am mis-treating anyone. I may not hire as often as most of the other members frequenting this site, but all of the escorts I have hired have asked to see me again. Keep in mind, if I didnt respect them, I wouldnt be hiring them. I hire men I find attractive, stimulating and highly desirable, and ones I feel KNOW how to please me. I am a good, easy client and they like my money. So I dont see any problem here.

[mike carey]

Anybody have an OED available?

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/nauseate?q=nauseated

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/nauseous

[+ DickyF]

Merriam-Webster is about as much an authority on best English usage as my dead cat, and she's French. We were having an exclusively prescriptivist argument though. There's nothing wrong with using nauseous the way it's widely used...but it may not help your piece get published in the New Yorker. The Atlantic or the New Republic maybe, but perhaps not Harper's or the Paris Review./QUOTE]

What is wrong with good old AMERICAN Merriam Webster? To go by OED in the US would be pretty rediculous or pretentious. Besides I prefer The Atlantic easily over Paris Review!

I used to have to write official documents and it gets pretty tiresome and tedious to write and read. The worse is constantly using "he or she" "his or her" and "him or her." I now just use "they" "their" and "them." Like Shakespeare did.

What most convinced me to abandon the prescriptive trap is the book "Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue" by Columbia U Linguistics Prof McWhorter - though granted he is American.

[+ DickyF]

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Dang Mike you look even sexier in that shirt!

[EvanDelillo]

What is wrong with good old AMERICAN Merriam Webster? To go by OED in the US would be pretty rediculous or pretentious. Besides I prefer The Atlantic easily over Paris Review!

I used to have to write official documents and it gets pretty tiresome and tedious to write and read. The worse is constantly using "he or she" "his or her" and "him or her." I now just use "they" "their" and "them." Like Shakespeare did.

What most convinced me to abandon the prescriptive trap is the book "Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue" by Columbia U Linguistics Prof McWhorter - though granted he is American.

 

We weren't having an argument on the merits of prescriptivism vs. descriptivism (because I too would side with descriptivism in that case).

 

I didn't frame the argument that way! I just inherited it from Adam Smith, who brought up the example in question but was mistaken as to the particulars. So we were having an argument about what prescriptivists claim the correct usage of a certain word is — what people who maintain the distinction between shall and will and who have a horror of splitting infinitives would say on the subject.

 

It's the difference between a theoretical argument about whether or not libel should be an actionable tort, and a concrete textual argument about what precisely the legal code in a given jurisdiction stipulates the damages for libel can be. We're having the latter.

 

So descriptive dictionaries like M-W and the OED aren't really relevant. We need something like Fowler's English Usage. Real finger-wagging stuff.

 

(Also, the OED is much more exhaustive than M-W and has thorough historical notes that trace the usage of each word it contains from its first appearance to the present day. That's why it's considered more authoritative. It doesn't substantively distinguish between American and British English. It's just a much, much bigger work of reference.)

[greatnorthernp]

Our saving grace is the fact that there is no official definition of what constitutes "English" (aside from ancestral connections). It's a consensual hallucination, and not a very stable one. This was easy to explain to a friend seeking an "official dictionary of slang", but uncomfortable for her to grasp:

 

"What do you mean? There's gotta be one!" she sputtered.

 

"Why?" I smirked.

 

Sensing a trap, she hesitated, then walked into it. "Because slang is changing all the time, and people might need to look new terms up!".

 

Ah-ha, I thought, now for the cruel blow. "English doesn't have an official English dictionary either, so there cannot be an official slang dictionary. There are many, many dictionaries, but none of them officially defines English. We have no OQLF, no Académie française, no Foras na Gaeilge, nothing. English is almost unique--it's wild, untamed by regulatory bodies. All we have are broadly respected sources, and they exist only to make money. Even grammar is unofficial. You're an old-school dyke, you know the adage--"Being straight isn't normal, it's just common"--don't you? English is like that. There's nothing normative about it, just common. Even your split infinitive isn't necessarily incorrect, but it sure annoys the school of English grammarians that like Latin.".

 

"The OED!" she blurted, still grasping at straws.

 

"It makes lots money for the Oxford University Press by describing what's out there, not how things should be. Nothing more. English is our shared dream, or nightmare. What colour is mercy?".

 

"That's a stupid example. It's an abstract concept. It has no colour.".

"What colour is English?"

 

A moment of silence, then, "Fuck, you're right, you annoying brown nose!".

 

"Amen. And will you stop bogarting that joint, girl. That stuff doesn't grow on trees.".

 

***

 

Brought up in a decidedly prescriptive educational system, I was shocked to encounter the reality that all languages, except dead ones, are fluid. Even l'Academie has authorised "le weekend", and the French know exactly where you're from once "fin de semaine" slips out. Oops.

 

Arguments about language reveal everything about social and economic class, intellectual affiliations, geographic and ethic origins, ancestry, and contact with mass media...but almost nothing about the language.

 

Ain't it so?

 

Oh, I also think escorts should proofread their advertisements at least twice, because sloppiness is a state of mind that affects more than just copy writing. If they get it wrong, ho-hum, that's life. My cock will make it difficult for them to make a verbal display of their erudition anyway, and the most exciting thing they'll hear from me is, "Harder! Faster! Deeper! Oh, fuck..." in glossolalia as my eyes roll up into my head...

[mike carey]

Harder! Faster! Deeper!

Is that the new translation of 'Citius, altius, fortius'?

[greatnorthernp]

Is that the new translation of 'Citius, altius, fortius'?

 

LOL

 

I am ashamed (just a bit) to admit I've studied five languages (three modern that I can get by in, two dead/classical in which almost no one can), and have a modern one on the go right now, but have never studied Latin.

[+ DickyF]

We weren't having an argument on the merits of prescriptivism vs. descriptivism (because I too would side with descriptivism in that case).

 

I didn't frame the argument that way! I just inherited it from Adam Smith, who brought up the example in question but was mistaken as to the particulars. So we were having an argument about what prescriptivists claim the correct usage of a certain word is — what people who maintain the distinction between shall and will and who have a horror of splitting infinitives would say on the subject.

 

It's the difference between a theoretical argument about whether or not libel should be an actionable tort, and a concrete textual argument about what precisely the legal code in a given jurisdiction stipulates the damages for libel can be. We're having the latter.

 

So descriptive dictionaries like M-W and the OED aren't really relevant. We need something like Fowler's English Usage. Real finger-wagging stuff.

 

(Also, the OED is much more exhaustive than M-W and has thorough historical notes that trace the usage of each word it contains from its first appearance to the present day. That's why it's considered more authoritative. It doesn't substantively distinguish between American and British English. It's just a much, much bigger work of reference.)

I wasn't having an argument on merits either! But actually I can see there are benefits and drawbacks to both.

GNP mentioned the prescriptive French where the French Academy defines official French which is required by law for commercial communications! They even invent new official French words such as "ordinateur" for computer. So that's the other extreme.

[TruthBTold]

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah75/avgaite/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsmdyvmere.jpeg

 

Oh, great! Now that's all I'm going to be thinking about. Coital positions aren't bad enough.

[Man Crush Morris]

I just can't relate to much on this thread.

 

If the guy has the looks and body I like, is masculine, and does what I pay him to do well, that's difficult enough for me to find and he's a keeper.

 

Let's put it this way: if he really excites me, after giving him my likes and if he's into performing them, I don't then go into a thoughtful exploration of what he should do & why he should do it, and expect him to intellectually engage me as we come to a meeting of the minds.

 

"Hey, look, you're a really hot guy. I'm excited to be with you. Please, just totally make me your bitch.'

 

He nods and succeeds.

 

I'm very pleased.

[jjkrkwood]

I just can't relate to much on this thread.

 

If the guy has the looks and body I like, is masculine, and does what I pay him to do well, that's difficult enough for me to find and he's a keeper.

 

Let's put it this way: if he really excites me, after giving him my likes and if he's into performing them, I don't then go into a thoughtful exploration of what he should do & why he should do it, and expect him to intellectually engage me as we come to a meeting of the minds.

 

"Hey, look, you're a really hot guy. I'm excited to be with you. Please, just totally make me your bitch.'

 

He nods and succeeds.

 

I'm very pleased.

 

[TruHart1]

_Besides_your_terrible_syntax_and_bad_grammar,

 

TruHart1

[jusmeinbr]

Oh, great! Now that's all I'm going to be thinking about. Coital positions aren't bad enough.

I just can't relate to much on this thread.

 

If the guy has the looks and body I like, is masculine, and does what I pay him to do well, that's difficult enough for me to find and he's a keeper.

 

Let's put it this way: if he really excites me, after giving him my likes and if he's into performing them, I don't then go into a thoughtful exploration of what he should do & why he should do it, and expect him to intellectually engage me as we come to a meeting of the minds.

 

"Hey, look, you're a really hot guy. I'm excited to be with you. Please, just totally make me your bitch.'

 

He nods and succeeds.

 

I'm very pleased.

 

So you're implicitly saying you'll even respond in the first place (the original question). My point is that someone this indifferent on even making a minimal semi-professional post is likely to be difficult to even correspond with. Hence, I'm not expending even two minutes on the effort because he couldn't invest that minimal amount of time in posting a non-moronic text portion of his ad.