‘Glee’ Actor Mark Salling Arrested for Possession of Child Pornography

[mike carey]

I think we need to be careful to distinguish between what courts do and what police investigors do. In a trial there is and should be a presumption of innocence. Where an alleged crime is being investigated, whether it's because there is physical evidence of something that may be a crime, or because there's a complaint that what may be a crime has happened, the task of the police investigator is to establish the facts, not to make any assumptions about the guilt or otherwise of any people who might be linked to the event. In doing so, they have to remember the level of proof they have to establish, and that is that the person is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. In the case of an alleged sexual assault, the person making the complaint is entitled to be believed in their claim that something has happened, but the investigator should make no assumptions about guilt or innocence. Whether it is assault, sexual assault or rape, or something else [or indeed that no offence has occurred], is what the investigator has to determine from interviews and/or physical evidence, and in some cases the starting point will be that something physical happened between two individuals.

 

Believing a complainant is accepting that it is their perception of what has happened, nothing more. It does not mean accepting that their perception is objectively true or that if they have accused someone that the person is guilty. Beyond anything else, the police should be aware that aggressive questioning based on an assumption of guilt is likely to result in tainted evidence that is inadmissable in court.

[MikeyGMin]

I hadn’t really been following this thread, but just the other day I was thinking, “Where is QTR? I haven’t heard from her in weeks. I miss her posts.” Well, here she is again, and I, for one, am glad.

 

+1

 

QTR is a smart, forward-thinking hetrosexual woman who hires escorts. I enjoy and welcome her participation in this forum.

 

I'm not really vested in this particular topic, but it seems to me that all she is saying is that you start from a place of believing the accuser is telling the truth and investigate accordingly. Of course the accused is legally presumed innocent until the accusation has been investigated. Is it really that much different then if I were to report a battery? Wouldn't I be believed until the accusation was proved false?

[mike carey]

A thoughtful article about 'rape culture' from the victim of an assault.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/i-didnt-understand-culture-until-i-was-attacked?CMP=share_btn_tw

[Strafe13]

QTR, thank you SO MUCH for proving my point. How in the world you have come up with such man-hating idea? In our society, people are innocent till proven guilty. But not with you. I shudder to think what the world would be like if you were in charge.

 

This forum was started by a Gay man and it's for Gay/Bisexual men and their escorts. And these men on this forum I have learned are quite intelligent, witty, kind, insightful, and deep. We come here for support, information, humor, and community. I really want you to reconsider your (incessant) need to throw in our faces how men accused of rape are (in your eyes and should be in others eyes) guilty. If we wanted to read such anti-men propaganda, the media is FULL of options. Do you truly think we come to this forum for this?

 

An analogy: there is a breast cancer forum started by a female breast cancer survivor written for breast cancer survivors and those currently battling it's terrible assault. A man starts posting how breast mammograms are being done too frequently and a waste of money and the science doesnt support yearly mammograms. Don't you think the women on the forum would get mad at the guy screaming out that mammograms save lives? Are you even for one second considering what you post and it's location?

 

 

 

 

It is my STRONG opinion that due to the fact that the men on this forum are reluctant to join in (too much) controversy or painful topics. I suspect this reluctance applies to this topic of rape/rape allegations/presumed guilt. Who wants to get involved with this? But two of us on this forum HAVE commented on this (Unicorn: I am not suggesting you agree with everything I write, only that you made the same observation as I did). I think there are others who have made the same observations but just won't join this tempest. And I respect this, cuz I greatly respect my peers on this forum. Amazing men.

 

In regard to assuming men are guilty when they are accused of rape, I ask once again that you stop such assertions on this forum. I am certain there are more receptive forums.

 

Where's that "dislike" button again? This is a "man-hating idea" like Donald Trump is a paragon of tact and courteous public interactions. Such rabid anti-feminist drivel does not represent my views, nor, I suspect, does it represent the views of the majority of this forum's members. Keep on posting QTR. I enjoy your perspective on these, and many other issues.

[+ quoththeraven]

An analogy: there is a breast cancer forum started by a female breast cancer survivor written for breast cancer survivors and those currently battling it's terrible assault. A man starts posting how breast mammograms are being done too frequently and a waste of money and the science doesnt support yearly mammograms. Don't you think the women on the forum would get mad at the guy screaming out that mammograms save lives?

 

If they did, they'd be doing something dumb. Science does not in fact support yearly mammograms. It doesn't support mammograms for women at all until age 50. Women who lobby for them anyway are looking for emotional comfort, not science.

 

Unicorn covered this in another post. Note that I didn't contradict him. The information he presented was compelling.

 

http://m4m-forum.org/threads/a-public-service-announcement-i-like.113241/#post-1081956

 

+1

 

QTR is a smart, forward-thinking hetrosexual woman who hires escorts. I enjoy and welcome her participation in this forum.

 

Quick correction: I'm not heterosexual. I happen to have only had sex with cismen, but I am attracted to people of various genders and gender presentation.

 

Otherwise, thanks!

[josh282282]

Sorry for the tardy response. I've been quite busy.

 

QTR: You entirely miss my points. I remind you that I called you out after observing a trend throughout Daddys Reviews where you are the one who posts anti-men comments on how men accused of rape should be considered guilty and prove their innocence after which contradicts everything our judicial system and society believe in. I'm not alone in this observation. Others from this forum have observed this, too. You clearly promote a "guilty till proven innocent" ideology.

 

To put into practice this type of Salem-Witch-Trial/McCarthy-era Communist-witch-trial mentality of "guilty till proven innocent" ideology is, fortunately, against US law. Unlike you, most logical thinking and fair minded people would never agree to such a horrible policy.

When I hear that someone is accused of rape I most certainly will not believe he is guilty till he is proven guilty by a court of law. It's the right manner to approach this. It's the American way.

 

I am told you are a lawyer. Unlike the rest of us, you are specialist in law. You should know all this. This makes it even more shocking you would propose such a blatant attack on the rights and dignity of men. I can come to no other conclusion that surely you must hate men for proposing such an misguided man-bashing idea. An idea I thoroughly reject.

 

Note to the forum: as I said before, rape is heinous crime. I am not a rape apologist. Those found guilty should be locked away in prison for a long, long time. I am not unawares that rape continues to be a terrible scourge on our society. And I do not hate woman. Quite the opposite. I'm quite the feminist at times with strong pro-woman beliefs. To name a few: I'm a firm believer in equal pay; a woman's right to control her body (very pro-choice); love Planned Parenthood; believe woman should be allowed in the armed forces infantry; and LOVE Hillary Clinton( Vote HRC 2016!!) !

[marylander1940]

Mark Salling Will Face Federal Indictment for Child Pornography Charges

 

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/mark-salling-face-federal-indictment-193400459.html

[marylander1940]

He had a career in front of him and he blew it...

 

Mark Salling has plea bargained his child pornography case … pleading guilty to possession of child pornography involving a prepubescent minor.

 

Salling had been charged with 2 counts of child porn after cops found more than 50,000 images of child pornography and child erotica on his personal computer.

 

He has agreed to make restitution to the victims, which is $50k per victim — presumably children in the photos.

 

He was facing 20 years in prison. Salling and prosecutors agreed the appropriate sentence should be 4 to 7 years in prison … with 20 years of supervised release.

 

The sentence is ultimately up to a judge.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mark-salling-cops-plea-child-porn-case-193635548.html

[+ quoththeraven]

He had a career in front of him and he blew it...

 

Mark Salling has plea bargained his child pornography case … pleading guilty to possession of child pornography involving a prepubescent minor.

 

Salling had been charged with 2 counts of child porn after cops found more than 50,000 images of child pornography and child erotica on his personal computer.

 

He has agreed to make restitution to the victims, which is $50k per victim — presumably children in the photos.

 

He was facing 20 years in prison. Salling and prosecutors agreed the appropriate sentence should be 4 to 7 years in prison … with 20 years of supervised release.

 

The sentence is ultimately up to a judge.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/mark-salling-cops-plea-child-porn-case-193635548.html

Do I get an apology from @josh282282? I knew, which he apparently didn't, that the feds don't usually file child pornography charges without concrete evidence backing them up.

[+ nycman]

Do I get an apology from @josh282282?

 

Just because you were “correct” in your judgement....doesn’t mean you were “right” to make it.

 

You missed his point. He wasn’t arguing the man’s guilt or innocence. I think most of us

had a strong feeling the charges where well founded. Nonetheless, it’s disheartening to

see an intelligent person rush to judgement.

[+ quoththeraven]

Just because you were “correct” in your judgement....doesn’t mean you were “right” to make it.

 

You missed his point. He wasn’t arguing the man’s guilt or innocence. I think most of us

had a strong feeling the charges where well founded. Nonetheless, it’s disheartening to

see an intelligent person rush to judgement.

No, I understood that. Explain to me where the rush to judgment was when they claimed to have found child porn on his computer, without which he wouldn't have been arrested.

 

I would like to see fewer assumptions that a mass murder is due to Islamic extremism because that's a knee-jerk and somewhat prejudiced reaction. But that someone who's arrested for possession of child pornography because it was found on his computer is nevertheless innocent is laughable unless law enforcement is lying or the images were somehow manipulated.

[+ poolboy48220]

Do I get an apology from @josh282282? I knew, which he apparently didn't, that the feds don't usually file child pornography charges without concrete evidence backing them up.

Just to be practical - probably not, since Josh hasn't posted since July.

[josh282282]

Just to be practical - probably not, since Josh hasn't posted since July.

 

Oh, I'm around. (Hi, all!) I just don't respond to foolish posts. Why feed the negativity?

 

Just because you were “correct” in your judgement....doesn’t mean you were “right” to make it.

 

Exactly!

 

Hope all the forum members are doing well. As we travel this Fall season that seems frought with so much sadness & tradgedy, gather Love & Hope and look forward towards the Light. (Get an extra session with an escort in. They are excellent with sharing Love and Hope)

 

Josh

Edited October 8, 2017 by josh282282

[EZEtoGRU]

Mark Salling dead of a likely suicide.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/‘glee’-alum-mark-salling-dead-from-apparent-suicide-at-35/ar-BBItY7c?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

[BasketBaller]

Mark Salling dead of a likely suicide.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/‘glee’-alum-mark-salling-dead-from-apparent-suicide-at-35/ar-BBItY7c?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

I had no sympathy for him in regards to the child porn, but I am sad to hear this nonetheless.

[MikeyGMin]

I had no sympathy for him in regards to the child porn, but I am sad to hear this nonetheless.

It really is tragic. Of course I believe there is no way that child abuse can be tolerated, but I also believe that we have no control over what we desire -- only how we act upon those desires. It gets all mixed up in my head because I come from a Mormon family with well-meaning sisters who wonder why I simply can't refrain from acting on my orientation. I thank the stars that I was not born with the monkey on my back that Mark had.

[Frequentflier]

For good reason none of us are going to make excuses for what he was convicted of. However I do feel sorry for a physically healthy person to decide that something is so bad they have to take their own life. Maybe in this case its because he thought of the conditions in American prisons - among the worst in the world. The punishment is time in prison - there shouldn't be the added punishments of assault and other events. There's a position in between country club conditions (those no longer exist) and daily fight clubs and gang control.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Life is about choices.

 

The moral of this story: Make good choices.

[jjkrkwood]

Life is about choices.

 

The moral of this story: Make good choices.

 

 

Once your're DEAD, there are no more choices !

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Once your're DEAD, there are no more choices !

 

And death is a choice he made. He knew he couldn't own up to the punishment. End of story.

[Kenny]

I thank the stars that I was not born with the monkey on my back that Mark had.

I’m not so sure one is “born with it.” I certainly have no deep knowledge of Stalling’s life, but there has been some indication that he was severely abused as a child — which would not be in the least surprising.

[Kenny]

And death is a choice he made. He knew he couldn't own up to the punishment. End of story.

I call Bullshit. You have no idea why he committed suicide, and pretending you do says more about you than him. Exploiting tragedy is awful.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I call Bullshit. You have no idea why he committed suicide, and pretending you do says more about you than him. Exploiting tragedy is awful.

 

Well, that's your opinion. You're entitled to it.

Edited February 2, 2018 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[Kenny]

For good reason none of us are going to make excuses for what he was convicted of. However I do feel sorry for a physically healthy person to decide that something is so bad they have to take their own life. Maybe in this case its because he thought of the conditions in American prisons - among the worst in the world. The punishment is time in prison - there shouldn't be the added punishments of assault and other events. There's a position in between country club conditions (those no longer exist) and daily fight clubs and gang control.

Yes, and for whatever reason, child molesters are at the bottom of the prisoner totem-pole.

[MikeyGMin]

I’m not so sure one is “born with it.” I certainly have no deep knowledge of Stalling’s life, but there has been some indication that he was severely abused as a child — which would not be in the least surprising.

"Severe abuse" cannot possibly explain why there have been pedophiles since the Greco-Roman period and probably before that.