Yet ANOTHER fake ad on Rentmen

[Despardo]

http://rentmen.com/Robbyy

 

About half of the pictures of Robbyy whose ad just appeared in Rentboy listings for Seattle are of a British bodybuilder named Ash who produces fitness videos available on YouTube under Ashthetics.

 

For Seattle alone, that makes for 5 (!) currently running ads that are using fake pictures. I am suspicious of a 6th ad, but have nothing definite to go on. They are all for handsome guys in their early 20s and are all quite recent.

[bigvalboy]

Waiting for RM to get pro-active on this.

[Despardo]

Waiting for RM to get pro-active on this.

For Seattle, on Rentmen there are now 6 verified fake ads running currently. I exposed 2 just today. It's like playing Whack-a-Mole, only the same ads keep running as new ones appear. The last one I caught just hours ago was child's play to spot and debunk. The pictures are of a known celebrity. Geesh!

[+ Travis69]

This one looks and sounds like a Jason Crystal one.

[BabyBoomer]

This one looks and sounds like a Jason Crystal one.

 

Unless Jason has changed his MO, he never shows a cock pic in his ads.

 

~Boomer ~

[+ Travis69]

Pricing, stats, and his style of writing sounds a lot like him though. He doesn't even know if his name is Kenny or Robby!!!!

[Brian Kevin]

"robbyy"

 

"hey guys my name is kenny"

 

 

Pricing, stats, and his style of writing sounds a lot like him though. He doesn't even know if his name is Kenny or Robby!!!!

[+ stevenkesslar]

http://media1.rentmen.com/public/photos/main/4/118739_1444946621_6xx892957j.jpg

 

http://rentmen.com/Robbyy

 

Love this one from Robbyy's profile. The tattoo on the chest doesn't match with any of the other pics.

 

Arguably it's a new tattoo, but then why does it look just like Serge Henir, who looks nothing like Robbyy?

 

http://www.dnadabalada.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Serge-Henir-3.jpg

[+ stevenkesslar]

Emailed to RentMen:

 

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http://rentmen.com/Robbyy

 

This ad is a scam.

 

The picture he is using is of the model Serge Henir with the tattoo on his chest.

 

Do you plan to remove this and the other fake ads?

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/yet-another-fake-ad-on-rentmen.108377/

[Despardo]

Most of the pics are of a Brit named Ash who produces fitness videos. Google had no difficulty finding them.

[Despardo]

Emailed to RentMen:

 

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http://rentmen.com/Robbyy

 

This ad is a scam.

 

The picture he is using is of the model Serge Henir with the tattoo on his chest.

 

Do you plan to remove this and the other fake ads?

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/yet-another-fake-ad-on-rentmen.108377/

I also emailed Rentmen about it today AND also about the new ad for the black escort whose pictures are also demonstrably stolen.

 

http://rentmen.com/niconico

 

This last one was really easy to expose.

 

I did hear back from Rentmen about the fake pics for Discoboy. They said that he wasn't currently available (?) but that they sent him a picture verification request. The ad, however, continues to run even though I sent Rentmen a link to the Italian escort on Gigolo where the identical pictures appear.

[Despardo]

"robbyy"

 

"hey guys my name is kenny"

So hard to keep names straight, especially if one has multiple personalities.

[rvwnsd]

So hard to keep names straight, especially if one has multiple personalities.

I would imagine RentMen faces a similar issue.

[+ stevenkesslar]

I would imagine RentMen faces a similar issue.

 

Not sure if you mean that tongue in cheek (or tongue in whatever) , or literally.

 

Being an escort, I can see this both ways. But I didn't run fake ads or scam ads. And the real point to me is to get RentMen focused on policies.

 

The great thing actually is that you guys are willing to do their work for them. The most obvious thing in the world to me is put a "warn" button on the ads so you can alert them. If the escort is not scamming, he has nothing to worry about. If you can demonstrate after 30 seconds of research that the pics are fake, he has no defense. Makes it pretty easy for RentMen, I'd say.

[rvwnsd]

Not sure if you mean that tongue in cheek (or tongue in whatever) , or literally.

 

Being an escort, I can see this both ways. But I didn't run fake ads or scam ads. And the real point to me is to get RentMen focused on policies.

 

The great thing actually is that you guys are willing to do their work for them. The most obvious thing in the world to me is put a "warn" button on the ads so you can alert them. If the escort is not scamming, he has nothing to worry about. If you can demonstrate after 30 seconds of research that the pics are fake, he has no defense. Makes it pretty easy for RentMen, I'd say.

I meant it half-seriously.

 

RentMen's advertiser volume has increased exponentially in the last six weeks since Rentboy was shut down. In that time, we have seen an increase in the number of suspicious ads on RentMen, but I don't see where the overall total is greater than before. Yes, RentMen can implement a verification process. If memory serves Rick mentioned that as an enhancement. The question is, how does RentMen resolve potential suspicious profiles while satisfying escorts' requirements that profiles be posted and updated in a timely fashion?

 

Regarding taking 30 seconds to find fake pics, it is probably closer to five minutes per picture, including the google image search (which does not always turn up a match), reading the page where the match occurred, and determining whether the image is suspicious. Recognizing this sounds like a small amount of time, multiply 5 minutes by the number of pics on the site and add the time required to research and resolve the suspicious ones and you have a rather large undertaking. Here's a simple illustration:

 

Assuming 1,000 ads with an average of 5 pics per ad, RentMen would spend 25,000 minutes to google search all of those pics. That amounts to 416.67 hours. Based on a 40-hour workweek, it would take 10.25 weeks to verify all of them. That does not include the time required to resolve ones where questions might arise.

 

Additionally, how does RentMen equitably resolve a situation where two ads placed by different people have the same pics? Do both advertisers get declined? What about a situation where the advertiser claims the person who posted them to Instagram or Pinterest stole them? Certainly these are questions that can be addressed, but that will take some time.

 

Adding a button to a page is easy. Creating the back-end workflow, troubleshooting it, and implementing it is not so easy.

[Despardo]

I meant it half-seriously.

 

RentMen's advertiser volume has increased exponentially in the last six weeks since Rentboy was shut down. In that time, we have seen an increase in the number of suspicious ads on RentMen, but I don't see where the overall total is greater than before. Yes, RentMen can implement a verification process. If memory serves Rick mentioned that as an enhancement. The question is, how does RentMen resolve potential suspicious profiles while satisfying escorts' requirements that profiles be posted and updated in a timely fashion?

 

Regarding taking 30 seconds to find fake pics, it is probably closer to five minutes per picture, including the google image search (which does not always turn up a match), reading the page where the match occurred, and determining whether the image is suspicious. Recognizing this sounds like a small amount of time, multiply 5 minutes by the number of pics on the site and add the time required to research and resolve the suspicious ones and you have a rather large undertaking. Here's a simple illustration:

 

Assuming 1,000 ads with an average of 5 pics per ad, RentMen would spend 25,000 minutes to google search all of those pics. That amounts to 416.67 hours. Based on a 40-hour workweek, it would take 10.25 weeks to verify all of them. That does not include the time required to resolve ones where questions might arise.

 

Additionally, how does RentMen equitably resolve a situation where two ads placed by different people have the same pics? Do both advertisers get declined? What about a situation where the advertiser claims the person who posted them to Instagram or Pinterest stole them? Certainly these are questions that can be addressed, but that will take some time.

 

Adding a button to a page is easy. Creating the back-end workflow, troubleshooting it, and implementing it is not so easy.

Some kind of picture verification process before posting an ad might be helpful. The proof of authenticity should be provided by the escort perhaps? It wouldn't be foolproof (no one is expecting that,) but it would expose the obvious fakes by rank amateurs. At least, Rentmen should have an effective verification method when a client discovers a fake and brings it to their attention.

[seaboy4hire]

I meant it half-seriously.

 

RentMen's advertiser volume has increased exponentially in the last six weeks since Rentboy was shut down. In that time, we have seen an increase in the number of suspicious ads on RentMen, but I don't see where the overall total is greater than before. Yes, RentMen can implement a verification process. If memory serves Rick mentioned that as an enhancement. The question is, how does RentMen resolve potential suspicious profiles while satisfying escorts' requirements that profiles be posted and updated in a timely fashion?

 

Regarding taking 30 seconds to find fake pics, it is probably closer to five minutes per picture, including the google image search (which does not always turn up a match), reading the page where the match occurred, and determining whether the image is suspicious. Recognizing this sounds like a small amount of time, multiply 5 minutes by the number of pics on the site and add the time required to research and resolve the suspicious ones and you have a rather large undertaking. Here's a simple illustration:

 

Assuming 1,000 ads with an average of 5 pics per ad, RentMen would spend 25,000 minutes to google search all of those pics. That amounts to 416.67 hours. Based on a 40-hour workweek, it would take 10.25 weeks to verify all of them. That does not include the time required to resolve ones where questions might arise.

 

Additionally, how does RentMen equitably resolve a situation where two ads placed by different people have the same pics? Do both advertisers get declined? What about a situation where the advertiser claims the person who posted them to Instagram or Pinterest stole them? Certainly these are questions that can be addressed, but that will take some time.

 

Adding a button to a page is easy. Creating the back-end workflow, troubleshooting it, and implementing it is not so easy.

 

Rv, I was against having to send proof that I am who I am. But with your numbers I've changed my mind. That is a lot of man power that could be used to improve the aite in other ways.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[rvwnsd]

Some kind of picture verification process before posting an ad might be helpful. The proof of authenticity should be provided by the escort perhaps? It wouldn't be foolproof (no one is expecting that,) but it would expose the obvious fakes by rank amateurs. At least, Rentmen should have an effective verification method when a client discovers a fake and brings it to their attention.

How exactly do you propose to verify pictures?

[Despardo]

How exactly do you propose to verify pictures?

No idea, I have no expertise in that area. Current photo with a date, with or without face pics? Some kind of system must be possible--it wouldn't need to be foolproof. Just throwing out an idea.

[maninsoma]

Given how easy it is to search images and detect fraud if the photos are obviously borrowed from someone famous, I don't understand why websites like RentMen (and previously RentBoy) don't put at least a little effort into verifying ads before they go live.

[RussJohnson]

I meant it half-seriously.

 

RentMen's advertiser volume has increased exponentially in the last six weeks since Rentboy was shut down. In that time, we have seen an increase in the number of suspicious ads on RentMen, but I don't see where the overall total is greater than before. Yes, RentMen can implement a verification process. If memory serves Rick mentioned that as an enhancement. The question is, how does RentMen resolve potential suspicious profiles while satisfying escorts' requirements that profiles be posted and updated in a timely fashion?

 

Regarding taking 30 seconds to find fake pics, it is probably closer to five minutes per picture, including the google image search (which does not always turn up a match), reading the page where the match occurred, and determining whether the image is suspicious. Recognizing this sounds like a small amount of time, multiply 5 minutes by the number of pics on the site and add the time required to research and resolve the suspicious ones and you have a rather large undertaking. Here's a simple illustration:

 

Assuming 1,000 ads with an average of 5 pics per ad, RentMen would spend 25,000 minutes to google search all of those pics. That amounts to 416.67 hours. Based on a 40-hour workweek, it would take 10.25 weeks to verify all of them. That does not include the time required to resolve ones where questions might arise.

 

Additionally, how does RentMen equitably resolve a situation where two ads placed by different people have the same pics? Do both advertisers get declined? What about a situation where the advertiser claims the person who posted them to Instagram or Pinterest stole them? Certainly these are questions that can be addressed, but that will take some time.

 

Adding a button to a page is easy. Creating the back-end workflow, troubleshooting it, and implementing it is not so easy.

 

They dont even need to verify or search, we are doing it for them... if they then take 30 seconds to reverse google image search 1 of the pictures, they are done...

[Tuffpie]

Unless I misunderstand the relationship between RM and the escorts...doesn't it come down to who pays RM, and what is their motivation to clean up (or not) their listings? They get recurring revenue for the ads regardless of their truthiness.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Given how easy it is to search images and detect fraud if the photos are obviously borrowed from someone famous, I don't understand why websites like RentMen (and previously RentBoy) don't put at least a little effort into verifying ads before they go live.

 

Absolutely.

 

Here's one way of looking at it, to go to the extreme. Would you rather make $10 million in revenue, of have $1 million stolen from your bank account and spend 5 years in jail?

 

No brainer, huh?

 

I'm pulling the $10 million out of the ballpark of what Rentboy supposedly made over a period of years, which as the NY Times reported put it in the class of a McDonalds franchise. Of course, the $1+ million seized from Rentboy's bank accounts was not "stolen" by DHS. But I doubt Jeffrey is very happy about it. I doubt anyone at Rentmen would enjoy being in a similar situation.

 

A number of escorts and clients who use this website have enough feelings about what Rentboy didn't do perfect that they are saying they don't care what happens to Rentboy now. I don't think Rentmen can afford to ignore us, unless they want to clearly communicate the same "WTF" attitude some of you feel Rentboy had.

 

In addition, and most important, these "escorts" are likely ripping people off. We get the stories and bad reviews here once in a while. By definition, anybody reading this post on this website likely won't be hiring these scammers, and the people who do hire them and get ripped off won't be posting here. So the impression this creates is that Rentmen just doesn't give a shit if YOU lose money, as long as they make as much money as they can. My guess is that some of the people who hire some of the scammers may follow up with Rentmen. It is way too early to judge, but given the reaction to these posts so far, I'm guessing they may not get very far.

 

If you assume as some people do that Rentmen is invincible because they are not US-based (I don't, but you might) that is even worse news for you and I. It means that law enforcement, if they want to go after Rentmen, have to do it the Sheriff Tom Dart way, which means to go after you and I. Again, the message that would send is: we don't give a shit, it's your problem.

 

We don't really need to worry about the details of how Rentmen can protect themselves from any and all of this. What seems very obvious to me at the 30,000 foot level is they really can't afford not to take some steps to protect themselves and us.

[+ Truereview]

No idea, I have no expertise in that area. Current photo with a date, with or without face pics? Some kind of system must be possible--it wouldn't need to be foolproof. Just throwing out an idea.

Maybe Rentmen should do in-person or Skype "product" inspections for proof-testing. I'd be a willing quality assurance inspector for a nominal fee. On second thought...id do it for free.

[geminibear]

Maybe Rentmen should do in-person or Skype "product" inspections for proof-testing. I'd be a willing quality assurance inspector for a nominal fee. On second thought...id do it for free.

 

Your a true philanthropist Truereview.