What if after a session, you felt you deserved more $$$

[JDXXX]

It sounds like, after setting up the appointment with you, he met this other guy who was up for a (free) sexual encounter. The client could have gone with the other guy, cancelled your appointment (or no-showed) and gotten satisfaction. Kudos to him for respecting you and not flaking out.

 

Good Point, Corndog. Mocha still came out of the unfortunate situation smelling like a rose knowing if we really wanna be bold and frank here, this client could have completely screwed Mocha over entirely by either hiring someone else who charged less, and stood up, Mocha or just paid him when he arrived a small fee for his gas upon arrivial, and went with the other guy in front of him. Would have been a slap major in the face; end result: Insult to the injury.

 

I have been in the same situation once or twice in the past as well as other escorts I met in previous years who have encountered such a tragic ordeal such as what Mocha experienced, and have learned in my 16 years of escorting now on how to handle this sort of uncomfortable circumstance now versus in the past. In this business, we as escorts are gonna embark on some clients here and there who are not loyal when it comes to honoring the "Moral code of business ethics" on being 100 percent professional to others. However, the client was gracious enough to honor the agreement for which he honestly could have been shitty, and voided the entire arrangement by going with the other guy completely, and cancelled out on you without cause.

 

To me, this does show he have some respect for you, and didn't want to screw everything up by ruining what potential business relationship you both agreed upon completely. Goes to prove he somewhat was thinking of the long haul of honoring his agreement in relation to wanna form future business possibly. Trust me, if he fucked up completely by not at least honoring the appointment, and paying the assigned fee you guys agreed upon, it would have voided any chances of you guys having relations of any kind.

[Amoco]

Azdro - I just had a very similar situation take place, and I believe that reflects character.

 

Corndog - there's more than enough stroking and love going around here in support of escorts, particularly ones as gifted as Chris. That said, in the context of the story he told, I think taking that much money for the 1+ hours was taking advantage of a very fucked up situation. I'm OK with him getting paid and I'd be OK if he and his fellow escort awarded him a decent tip, but beyond that, it's wrong. Just the way I feel, and I'm pretty confident that Chris is strong enough to handle it. Further, I believe it's relevant to client/escort interactions.

[+ stevenkesslar]

I think the story Chris told above is disturbing on many levels, but unless I'm missing something, how is taking $800 from a coked up guy being controlled by another Impaired escort the ethical thing to do?

 

Just because someone is an asshole, it doesn't mean it's OK to take advantage of them.

 

Did I miss something? Who called this ethical? I assume it was obvious my post above about $2500 was a joke.

 

This is one big reason I stopped accepting new clients. I hate getting hired by clients who party or snort, and my experience is there is no foolproof way to screen them out.

 

Once they make it clear they are on drugs, or want to be, it's always about making the best of a bad situation.

 

I wouldn't say Chris did the right thing. But he didn't do the wrong thing, either.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

I think the story Chris told above is disturbing on many levels, but unless I'm missing something, how is taking $800 from a coked up guy being controlled by another Impaired escort the ethical thing to do? I'm sure I'll get all kinds of grief for this, but I don't see it as any different than a client taking advantage of an impaired escort.

 

Don't get me wrong. Chris should be paid exactly what he contracted for, but my guess is that $800 an hour, even for him, is more than anyone would have expected or asked for. The whole situation was fucked up from the start and the right choice would probably have been to leave. Once he stayed, he deserved compensation at the agreed upon rate. To let the other escort manipulate the obviously impaired client into overpaying for whatever reason, is ethically wrong in my book. Whether the client could afford it, was a dick on every level or whatever, it's my belief that Chris should have taken the $800, peeled off what was due him, possibly added a decent tip and thrown the rest of the money on the bed before walking out and telling these guys not to call him again.

 

Feel free to disagree, but that's what character is all about. Everybody deserves exactly what they deserve. Just because someone is an asshole, it doesn't mean it's OK to take advantage of them.

 

Azdro - I just had a very similar situation take place, and I believe that reflects character.

 

Corndog - there's more than enough stroking and love going around here in support of escorts, particularly ones as gifted as Chris. That said, in the context of the story he told, I think taking that much money for the 1+ hours was taking advantage of a very fucked up situation. I'm OK with him getting paid and I'd be OK if he and his fellow escort awarded him a decent tip, but beyond that, it's wrong. Just the way I feel, and I'm pretty confident that Chris is strong enough to handle it. Further, I believe it's relevant to client/escort interactions.

 

Of course I'm strong enough to handle criticism for an event that occurred twelve years ago when I was first starting out as an escort. I'm as far removed from that person as a first-grader is to a senior in high school.

[instudiocity]

I think the story Chris told above is disturbing on many levels, but unless I'm missing something, how is taking $800 from a coked up guy being controlled by another Impaired escort the ethical thing to do? I'm sure I'll get all kinds of grief for this, but I don't see it as any different than a client taking advantage of an impaired escort.

 

Don't get me wrong. Chris should be paid exactly what he contracted for, but my guess is that $800 an hour, even for him, is more than anyone would have expected or asked for. The whole situation was fucked up from the start and the right choice would probably have been to leave. Once he stayed, he deserved compensation at the agreed upon rate. To let the other escort manipulate the obviously impaired client into overpaying for whatever reason, is ethically wrong in my book. Whether the client could afford it, was a dick on every level or whatever, it's my belief that Chris should have taken the $800, peeled off what was due him, possibly added a decent tip and thrown the rest of the money on the bed before walking out and telling these guys not to call him again.

 

Feel free to disagree, but that's what character is all about. Everybody deserves exactly what they deserve. Just because someone is an asshole, it doesn't mean it's OK to take advantage of them.

To imagine what stevenkesslar would say, "Ethics and Whores? Surely, you jest!"

 

Look what your ethical being wrote here - He should be paid exactly his fee. The right choice would have been to leave. He only deserved compensation at the agreed upon rate. He should have determined his own tip.

 

You call for ethical behavior and then can't seem to define what ethical behavior would have been for you. I guess as long as he tipped himself less than the balance of the $800 after fee, he'd still be ethical in your eyes?

 

I don't buy it. If a adult puts themselves in a situation such as Chris' client, the client deserves whatever fucking he's buying. IF he ever came to his senses after his boozy, coke addled mind cleared and found that he'd overspent for his fun, well then maybe he learned a valuable lesson. Sorry, but ADULTS bear the consequences of their behavior sober, drunk, or drugged, it's still up them them to wipe their own proverbial ass. Bearing responsibilities for one's actions? Now that's ETHICAL.

[+ stevenkesslar]

To imagine what stevenkesslar would say, "Ethics and Whores? Surely, you jest!"

 

Exactly!

 

Now that we got this settled could a couple of you rich fuckers get over here with a bunch of cocaine and a few credit cards?

 

I need a new car!

 

[bigvalboy]

Now that we got this settled could a couple of you rich fuckers get over here with a bunch of cocaine and a few credit cards?

I need a new car!

 

 

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"After you sir"

[Mocha]

Good Point, Corndog. Mocha still came out of the unfortunate situation smelling like a rose knowing if we really wanna be bold and frank here, this client could have completely screwed Mocha over entirely by either hiring someone else who charged less, and stood up, Mocha or just paid him when he arrived a small fee for his gas upon arrivial, and went with the other guy in front of him. Would have been a slap major in the face; end result: Insult to the injury.

 

Hmmm, and I love flowers lol. But now...if that would have happened, this thread wouldn't of been in existence. It would have been a story on Unsolved mysteries LOL. No, but honestly, I've too been in this situation before (not verbatim) where there's been another alpha male in the building and my date, or a client attempted to size me up to them. That's why I say, I HATE situations like that, but I was familiar somewhat with this and acted accordingly, plus the other alpha wolf was into me as well...so it went rather peaceful. There's some neaderthals out there that can sabotage a potential 3 way scenario, but it was neither he nor me.

 

Now, a couple years ago...I did have worst case scenario happen...but let me tell you how the higher power makes a way out of no way. Client wanted to invite some lanky, orangutan looking thang to my appointment with him. Because I had a persistent cough at the time (it was the dead of winter in February, temperature had to been 12 degrees) client got paranoid and sent me home. No money. But then, as I was leaving, another client called. He ended up paying me more, and seeing me a second time, then helped introduce me to his friend who eventually became a good friend of mine too.

 

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[Amoco]

Instudiocity -

 

Let me see if I have this straight now....you're saying that once a client presents in a self-imposed impaired way, that the the typical rules of engagement and generally accepted rules concerning right and wrong are suspended because after all, this fucker is an adult and adults bear the burden of their behavior, right? So that when the fucked up 18 year old essentially tricked the guy into overpaying Chris, Chris has no ethical or professional responsibility to do the right thing, but rather, is free to take whatever he could get? Is this correct because I want to be sure to not misrepresent you?

 

If I am, indeed, correct, let me say this so that I'm clear, too. When the idiot client woke up the next morning and realized what had happened, I'd be the first to agree with you and say "You have nobody to blame but yourself". I completely agree that the client was a schmuck and was responsible for setting up a potentially dangerous and self destructive situation, and hopefully, will learn from it.

 

But what the fuck does that have to do with whether a professional escort has an inherent obligation to do the right thing?

 

If someone gives you the wrong change at the supermarket, do you return it or keep it? After all, the cashier is an adult, too, and how the hell is he/she going to learn to make change if they don't suffer the consequences?

 

And let's be completely fair to escorts, too. They're adults, right? So when they get taken advantage by shitty clients, I don't want to hear any whining from anybody because again, we're all adults here and rules of morality are suspended. If you are stupid enough to go to some strangers place and get ripped off, then maybe you'll learn the error of your ways by bearing the consequences.

 

My point, and I actually think Chris might agree with this, is that we're all obligated in some very personal way to do the right thing regardless of circumstance. Of course the client has responsibility for the situation, but his idiocy does not provide a green light for those around him to abuse and take advantage of him because abuse of anybody, especially impaired assholes, is wrong.

 

What you're describing is the overly simplified Fox News definition of "personal responsibility" - seriously, it was Trayvon's fault he got killed because who the hell was he to be walking through that neighborhood with a dark hoodie on eating twizzlers? He got exactly what he deserved - and you know he had pot in his system, right?

 

C'mon...right is right and wrong is wrong. You don't take advantage of impaired people. Period.

[Bart]

I have no idea how a person can compare "Trayvon's fault he got killed because who the hell was he to be walking through that neighborhood with a dark hoodie on eating twizzlers?" to a gentleman coming to hotel room with coke laid out in the room, client and another escort high as a kite. What does Trayvon have any possible connection to the situation with CE? If the drunk at the bar decides to leave the waitress $500 do you think she is giving the money back? Would you be supporting the drunk? This is not the situation with Roberto (thread in Deli) where the gentleman went rifling through the client's possessions. I posted in that thread that I had been in situations where I was taken advantage of and I made it clear I am responsible for myself.

 

If we want to start throwing out the whole ethical mumbo-jumbo for an illegal activity (I might add there are just as many people if not more who want drugs legalized as much as prostitution), there are plenty of people who feel it is the "Johns" who are more responsible and should be held to a higher standard than person selling personal time. By paying them money for "time" we are demeaning women, but you don't hear that much about men in that case do you. So to be honest the whole thing in general is a bit fucked up. But in no way can you compare the death of an individual.

 

So when a client wants to give a gentleman an expensive gift, he should just take it because the client is not drunk or high but believes the gentleman is in love with him? What if the client dies and leaves the gentleman his estate? You are going to blame the gentleman right, because the gentleman took advantage of the client? At what point does the client ever take responsibility for his own actions. When the old woman leaves her money to the cat? This whole ethical question is ridiculous. The moment client picked up the phone and scheduled the meeting he started down the road of an illegal activity, he probably had the escort go and score the drugs for him (gosh was that ethical?) when the guy left home and kissed the wife or husband good bye before heading on the road for a night of drugs and flesh (gosh was that ethical?). It is like the robber who went to the police and said my partner took all the money after I passed out from a night of scoring some great "shit". So now that a gentleman shares an experience where a client high as a kite and paid him more than the going rate, that the next time when the client stiffs a gentleman there should be no conversation. There should never be a response to a negative review. That the client is 100% right and the gentleman is 100% wrong. Clients and Gentlemen have personal responsibility for situations that clearly are bad and should walk away.

 

Mocha should not have been put in the situation he was. He would have been perfectly correct in pulling the client aside and asking what is going on and either ask for a change in terms or ask for his fee or part of it and left. So Amoco, how do you feel about the point of this thread, Mocha was potentially in a no win situation. He might have been forced to leave without getting paid, client clearly put Mocha on the defensive, oh damn what do I do now. I might lose the whole gig tonight. Well based on your thoughts Mocha should just take it right because the client is always right? Oh damn that's ethics for you.

[Lookin]

At what point does the client ever take responsibility for his own actions. When the old woman leaves her money to the cat?

 

. . . and I'm keeping the Bentley too.

[Amoco]

Bart...

 

Of course the issue with Trayvon is fundamentally different, but can you not see the common thread? The universal point is that regardless of person X's personal responsibility, Person Y always has an inherent responsibility to do right. A conscious guy at a bar who gives a waitress a $500 tip is very different from a coked out escort invading the coked out client's wallet and ridiculously overpaying another escort in a way that the client wasn't even aware of. Is it possible it was part of their fetish? Sure, and in that case, I'm happy to stand down. But other than that, the client is an asshole and is clearly responsible for creating the mess that Chris walked into. That said, Chris always has an obligation to do what is right. To my mind that was to take his fee and an appropriate tip for his trouble and get the hell out. The alternative would be to get out as soon as he arrived. But personal responsibility doesn't trump morality. And just out of curiosity, if a cashier overpaid you, would you return the money or say that she's an adult and should take that responsibility?

 

And let me clarify and respond to several other of your points...illegality does not necessarily have anything to do with immorality. Personally, I don't find prostitution immoral, but others might. And seriously, you think a "gentlemen" buying expensive gifts for a favorite escort or leaving money from his estate is the same as a coked out whore going into the coked out John's wallet for money? If, however, you're asking me whether I think it's ethical for an escort to use their charms to maximize tips and remuneration, the truth is that I think it depends on the situation. You and I are strong personalities and can consciously make decisions consistent with our needs. I have certainly succumbed to the affection of certain men and may have chosen to overtip or be unusually generous, but that truly was a conscious choice of my own. But you and I also know of circumstances where lovelorn, lonely, sad clients get caught up in imaginary love affairs and are actively encouraged to do so by the escort who knows exactly what they're doing and how to milk the situation. Personally, I find that morally reprehensible.

[MiamiLooker]

...but when it was handed to him, without objection, it was reasonable for him to accept it.

 

Exactly. That’s what a doctor or lawyer or any other professional would do, so why hold escorts to a different standard.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Exactly. That’s what a doctor or lawyer or any other professional would do, so why hold escorts to a different standard.

 

Funny you mention that, Miami.

 

My policy is I always go to my doctor appointments coked up. It makes that whole thing about making me strip down and sticking his finger up my butt so fucking hot. Usually I give him a $500 tip, but last time he sort of cupped my balls during the testicle check and I came so I gave him $1000, being all coked up and shit.

 

Is that kinda how it works for you with your doc and lawyer?

[MiamiLooker]

The universal point is that regardless of person X's personal responsibility, Person Y always has an inherent responsibility to do right.

 

This kind of reminds me of when a friend and I recently left a $30 tip on a $45 lunch bill (neither of us was impaired). The waiter returned to our table to ask if the tip amount had been a mistake. Or, several years ago when I was in Haiti, the tap-tap driver honked and yelled to me, because I’d overpaid the fare by 10 cents.

[+ stevenkesslar]

 

That said, Chris always has an obligation to do what is right.

 

Personally, I don't find prostitution immoral, but might.

 

But you and I also know of circumstances where lovelorn, lonely, sad clients get caught up in imaginary love affairs and are actively encouraged to do so by the escort who knows exactly what they're doing and how to milk the situation. Personally, I find that morally reprehensible.

 

Is there some subtext going on here you wanna make clear, Amoco? You're all over the map on this one. Escorting is at best morally relative. As you say, some people would make it simple and say escorting (or prostitution) is simply immoral. Is this a shocker to anyone?

 

I mean, come on! Escorting is illegal. If escorts don't turn themselves and clients in as law breakers, is that unethical?

 

I've had lots of clients who are "cheating" on their wives. Should I be demanding that they fess up about their covert homosexuality? Is it unethical to accept money from them? Is outing closet cases who are cheating on their spouses the "right" thing to do?

 

As it regards Chris, he walks into a room with two coked up guys, and the client is told by his coked up companion to give Chris $800, which he does. And you are arguing Chris was not being ethical? Somehow you're assuming the client doesn't know what he's doing, and Chris is somehow supposed to read the mind of a coked up client and realize this and refuse money the client is giving him?

 

Just to repeat myself, my answer to this for several years has been to not take any new clients, mostly because I felt burnt out. Drugged out clients had almost nothing to do with that, but I can tell you I hated walking into a room to find a client on drugs, or planning to be so. I don't disagree if part of what you're saying is "stop playing the game, " but don't shift responsibility for a client's fucked up behavior and drug addiction to the escort who had to deal with them.

[+ stevenkesslar]

This kind of reminds me of when a friend and I recently left a $30 tip on a $45 lunch bill (neither of us was impaired). The waiter returned to our table to ask if the tip amount had been a mistake. Or, several years ago when I was in Haiti, the tap-tap driver honked and yelled to me, because I’d overpaid the fare by 10 cents.

 

I actually once accidentally left an envelope with something like $500 in "whore money" in an envelope on a restaurant table I was having lunch at with an escort friend. When I realized what I'd done when I got home, I called the restaurant. The waitress had given the envelope to the manager, who had put it in a safe. I got every penny of my whore money back.

[Amoco]

Steven...

 

You're the second to last person I want to get into a pissing contest with, but I'll answer a few of your questions with the proviso that I'm not going too much further down the rabbit hole...that said, I don't think I'm all over the map at all. I think there are basic principles that one must live by if one is in the service industry, and taking advantage of impaired clients is a problem for me. I realize you can take this to a ridiculous conclusion, and judging by your other writings, I suspect you will, but being paid 4X one's fee because a coked up teenager tells your coked up host to pay up is, in my mind, unethical. It may not be for you and in that case, you're in the right profession, but it is for me.

 

And of course there are many people who think prostitution is immoral, and we can all agree that it's illegal. If you're asking me if I find that I therefore have an obligation to make citizens arrests, the answer is no. I'm quite capable of separating out what I think is right and wrong, and again, nobody was suggesting that the morality police pay these guys a visit. We all see shit everyday that doesn't require that we act, just that we don't participate.

 

I must admit that your cheating paradigm made me stop and think. If I'm having sex with a man outside of my marriage I am, by definition, being dishonest. We may go back and forth as to whether it's immoral, but clearly, I'm In a compromised position. No excuses here, though. I'm making a highly personal decision that is fully conscious and hurts no one other than my self and potentially my partner. To my mind that exists outside of the parameters of the escort-client relationship and is out of bounds. Regardless, in all my rants, I don't recall suggesting that anybody get up on their high horse and call the cops or become the morality police. Just saying that they shouldn't take the money from a compromised guy - that's a bit different, don't you think? And BTW, I've met many civilians who will not hook up with married guys for that reason. That's their morality and their choice, but how does that relate to abusing an impaired guy?

 

And in regard to Chris or anybody taking the extra money, I do think taking it under the circumstances was unethical. Go back and read the story - it's pretty clear that Chris is suggesting a very fucked up, drug infused situation where the client was essentially out of it. If you think taking 4X your fee to sit there for an hour is ethical because after all, they're all big boys, then by all means, take it. I think it's wrong.

 

And I'm hardly shifting responsibility from anybody to anybody else. Read what I wrote. The asshole client is ultimately responsible for setting up a problematic scenario. But again, what the fuck does that have to do with the responsibility that Chris has to do the right thing? If an escort shows up fucked up, is it OK for a client to abuse them?

 

Lastly, I'm reminded of a recent thread that you wrote a couple of chapters on having to do with assorted definitions of escorts, hookers, hustlers, etc. I'm hardly an expert but I'd suggest that the escort is the pro who does the right thing and takes his fee and doesn't return. The other guys take whatever they can get and then laugh their ass of about it.

[Rudynate]

I found a womens' billfold in the street once that was stuffed with cash. There was a driver's license in it, and I was able to call the woman. It turns out she was a massage therapist and that was money from several clients. She didn't even realize yet that she had lost her billfold. She was obviously glad to get it back and gave me a nice massage as a thank you.

[Amoco]

I actually once accidentally left an envelope with something like $500 in "whore money" in an envelope on a restaurant table I was having lunch at with an escort friend. When I realized what I'd done when I got home, I called the restaurant. The waitress had given the envelope to the manager, who had put it in a safe. I got every penny of my whore money back.

 

Hah! Hat's my point...she showed character...what if she said, "Fuck him, he's just a whore and he's over 18, so I'm going to keep it"? That wasn't her money anymore than most of that $800 was Chris's money. Again, being an asshole doesn't mean I can screw you...

[+ stevenkesslar]

We're way off the OP's original thread, but as it relates to clients, escorts, and drug use, here's another anecdote about how fucked up it gets when drugs and drug addicts are in the picture.

 

Years ago, for about a year, I had a friend who was a former escort who was handsome, very well hung, and wicked smart. Our friendship started when he contacted me to hook up to have sex. We tried, and it didn't work. He explained to me that he simply couldn't have sex without being on drugs.

 

This guy was a substitute professor at a very elite college, and as I said he was wicked smart. We became workout partners and friends, and he was pretty fun to hang out with, but not exactly marriage material. And it always felt slightly frustrating to me that as much as I thought he was hot as shit, I couldn't have sex with him.

 

At one point he asked me how many clients I'd gotten high with, and I said none. He told me he got high with almost all his clients. He'd gotten through school in part, he said, by being hired by a couple who were rich lawyers and paid him lots of money to pay him during coked-up weekends. Over the years he'd been hired by Elton John, Calvin Klein - all the likely suspects - plus a lot of celebrities whose names honestly surprised me.

 

After months of being friends one night I let him talk me into getting high on crystal with him. It's one of a handful of hard drug experiences I've had in my life, all with gorgeous fuck buddies, and it led to an incredible night of sex with him. Judge me any way you want, and maybe I got lucky, but the handful of times I've had drugged up sex with hot fuck buddies, I had a blast and I came out smelling like a rose.

 

Sadly, it was all downhill from there. I really enjoyed the sex, and would have loved to have more, except I wasn't willing to meet the threshold requirement, which was to become a drug addict.

 

My point is that this is a totally morally relative world. There is no right in what I did, but no wrong. I feel like I was lucky to be able to trip like Alice in Wonderland, and come out happy and whole. Not everyone does.

 

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. But if you want to be in it, it's very hard to make harsh judgments about what is or isn't half-baked.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Hah! Hat's my point...she showed character...what if she said, "Fuck him, he's just a whore and he's over 18, so I'm going to keep it"? That wasn't her money anymore than most of that $800 was Chris's money. Again, being an asshole doesn't mean I can screw you...

 

Sorry, Amoco, but you're wrong. If I'd handed her the envelope and said it was a tip, it would have been her money. The client gave the $800 to Chris. It's just that simple.

 

Are you now saying if I'd tipped that $500 to a waitress, for whatever reason, she should have been "ethical" about it and given it back to me? I don't think so!

[MiamiLooker]

Hah! Hat's my point...she showed character...what if she said, "Fuck him, he's just a whore and he's over 18, so I'm going to keep it"? That wasn't her money anymore than most of that $800 was Chris's money. Again, being an asshole doesn't mean I can screw you...

 

Well, Chris did say this incident happened 12 years ago when he had just begun to escort and was “still a naive and scared little escort girl”, so maybe he was only around 18 or so. That may help to explain his actions.

[+ SundayZip]

Amoco, Let's say you are "technically" correct in that Chris did not take the highest moral ground possible. It would still be tough for me to feel any moral outrage. He was inexperienced and the situation was new to him. The most ethical behavior is not always clear when you're in the middle of a new situation. Hindsight is 20-20. And in this case, even in hindsight, the correct behavior is not clear to everyone (except you).

[mike carey]

At the risk of seemng to be soft on things perceived as unethical, ethics is a contested subject. Some things are universally seen as being ethical, some invariably unethical. There is a lot of uncertain ground in between. What is ethical depends on the values set that underpin the evaluation. Decisions on ethics depend on the situation (and I'm talking about the decisions not the ethics themselves). Is the situation new or unfamiliar? How quickly do you have to make a decision? How old or mature were you when you had to make the decision? You may look back on a decision and decide that it was unethical and given the same situation again you would make a different decision. Alternatively, you may decide that in the same situation you would make the same decision again but you would make a different decision now. Someone's ethical compass may change as they age and mature, and it could go either way.

 

The St James Ethics Centre in Sydney (http://www.ethics.org.au/about/what-we-re-about) promotes public discussion on ethics - its director is often on TV and radio here. One of the points they often make is that ethical decision making is difficult.

 

On Chris' situation, I'm equivocal. It was way more that he expected, maybe if unpressured by a stressful situation he would not have taken all the money, maybe the next morning he thought that he should not have done so. I just don't know, and I will never be in the situation to see what I would do. As others have noted, he was new to escorting at the time. Whatever the ethics involved it's way too late for any attribution of 'guilt'.