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marylander1940 Grand Master

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A local escort forwarded to me this email.

 

Should we all condom Nazis surrender to the BB tsunami and go on PrEP accepting our destiny and becoming slaves of big government's alliance with pharmaceutical companies of the BB industrial complex?

 

(long phrase, take time to digest it)

"Verry hot pics - fine looking man, edible looking ass and a cock that's a real manpleaser. It's the age of PrEP, so I always ask - you cool fucking bare? Will be in XXXX Apr 10-15 at the Marriott XXXXX XXX Ave NW, and would love to be bred bare by a hot man like you if you have time and interest".

 

I know, this subject all over again, I'm guilty as charged.

 

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sincitymix Mentor

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It genuinely saddens me to know that so many young people (or people in general) are willing to participate in the ultimate STD gamble.

 

I have 2 friends/acquaintances , polar opposites. Guy 1 did everything possible to contract HIV. His mother told him it would be great if he caught it, as he would then hit the Medicare, social security disability etc. etc. jackpot. (quite a wonderful mother eh? ) He did drugs, slept with anyone at the drop of a hat bareback and unprotected. he did not contract HIV, or any other STD.

Guy 2, did everything he could to NOT catch HIV or STDs. He did not use drugs, always had sex with protection. He caught HIV.

It would seem one of his partners did not tell him the condom broke during sex.

 

I asked my DR about Truvada as Prep. He of course had to give me the standard medical answer response.

Off the record, he told me it still isn't a good idea. What if the virus mutates and develops a resistance to Truvada? What if you contact another strain of HIV from having unprotected sex that is resistant to Truvada.

 

Thank you, but no. I will not be Bare backing.

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I asked my DR about Truvada as Prep. He of course had to give me the standard medical answer response.

Off the record, he told me it still isn't a good idea. What if the virus mutates and develops a resistance to Truvada? What if you contact another strain of HIV from having unprotected sex that is resistant to Truvada.

 

you got a smart doc :)

 

like any anti viral med, they can be beaten if the virus changes. and it does change. prep for now might be cause for celebration but I wouldnt tempt fate by not using condoms, on or off the med.

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Here's my main problem with PrEP. The only person who can be sure it's protecting him or her is the person taking it, not the person taking someone else's word that they're on PrEP.

 

Taking a sex partner's word for it (other than a partner with whom one lives and whose use of PrEP one is presumably able to monitor) while not using PrEP oneself allows too much uncertainty to enter the equation.

 

Then there are the concerns about virus mutation, side effects, etc. and whether to use condoms as well (in other words, use PrEP as backup, not primary). Those are the kinds of things each individual has to decide for him or herself.

 

There are a few instances where BB is not risky, or is minimally risky, having to do with there being no opportunity for transmission under the circumstances. (Though there's still risk factors for other STIs.) And there are some who feel topping without condoms is a minimal enough risk, although they wouldn't bottom without condoms, which drives me a little crazy. I don't like asymmetric risk assessment (as in you wouldn't do what you're asking someone else to do, but it's okay when you do it because you feel secure that you're STI-free).

 

Trust but verify. If you can't verify, then don't take the leap.

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you got a smart doc :)

 

like any anti viral med, they can be beaten if the virus changes. and it does change. prep for now might be cause for celebration but I wouldnt tempt fate by not using condoms, on or off the med.

 

 

It is actually two antivirals combined, which considerably reduces, but does not eliminate, the possibility of being infected by a resistant strain.

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And there are some who feel topping without condoms is a minimal enough risk, although they wouldn't bottom without condoms, which drives me a little crazy. I don't like asymmetric risk assessment (as in you wouldn't do what you're asking someone else to do, but it's okay when you do it because you feel secure that you're STI-free).

 

 

I wonder whether "fair" and "nice" should enter the risk calculus.

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There is some very good comments in the above posts that everyone should heed.

Prep is very effective with little side effects (when compared to many other drugs). And there other treatments available that are very effective.

What drives me crazy is that many people say I use condoms and follow safe sex practices I am clean. They are only fooling themselves condoms do NOT provide 100% protection against HIV or any other STD. The stats put condoms around 75-80% effect against STD'S (sorry to ruin everyone's party). Yes I know what I am talking about I have worked in the infectious disease field for 35 years. Now for the really bad news, there is only one 100% protection against STD'S guess what (NO SEXUAL CONTACT WITH ANYONE), how many of you will follow that (not me).

HIV/AIDS is not the death sentence that it was a few years ago so get over it, if you roll the dice you take your chances.

So if you are sexually active (straight or gay or anything else) get tested every 3 months for STD'S and if you test positive for something go see an MD right away and get treatment, the sooner you get treatment the better your chances.

Statically you are more likely to be seriously injured in a car accident that in gaging in sex (protected or unprotected) and getting an STD (unless you are one of the lucky few who has 100'S of sexual contact weekly) that is not me because that would kill me.

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Do you BB with your clients?

 

Please be honest, if you do it might be helpful for your business.

 

 

a direct question

 

I think you're entitled to ask, especially if this particular guy has always been so vocal about being on it or supporting it

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a direct question

 

I think you're entitled to ask, especially if this particular guy has always been so vocal about being on it or supporting it

 

Interesting. Perhaps he should also name the clients on this board who bareback as well. Especially those who claim to be "safe only" but in reality do not practice what they preach. I think we are entitled to ask such a question since so many are so vocal about the issue as well. Now THAT would make for stimulating debate..

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OR ... instead of the slings and arrows ...

 

How about if NOBODY says ANYTHING about whether they Always/Sometimes/Never practice safe sex in their Personal/Professional/Porn lives because--SERIOUSLY--can any of us ever put full faith and trust in those claims? Can we bet our lives on them?

 

The truest thing that is ever said when this subject is raised is that we are each, individually, responsible for our own health and well-being.

 

There are people who care about you. There are people who care about the guy you're in bed with. Care about each other.

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marylander1940 Grand Master

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Interesting. Perhaps he should also name the clients on this board who bareback as well. Especially those who claim to be "safe only" but in reality do not practice what they preach. I think we are entitled to ask such a question since so many are so vocal about the issue as well. Now THAT would make for stimulating debate..

 

Why not let's be honest about it.

 

You'd be shocked at the escorts I can name who I have personally seen bb or who have offered to bb who are darlings on this board and who advertise as "always safe."

 

I always email asking for safe sex first, and they all reply agreeing with me. Later I email from a different email address asking for BB... 80% of the guys who answered my first email saying they only play safe change their mind and agree to BB...

 

I don't really care if an escort does BB. Status often comes up during the normal course of conversation, but it doesn't really matter if it doesn't. To me, an escort is, by definition, a high-risk partner. Safe sex rules. End of story.

 

I do care, and I'd rather hiring someone who doesn't BB to minimize the risk.

I'm glad you practice safe sex too, and I fully understand your approach to the subject. I'm glad we're 99% on the same page on this issue.

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