The Hourly Rate

[Guest Starbuck]

I don't often scroll through the ads on Rentboy or Rentmen but, when I do, I always end up wondering about the wide difference in hourly rates. (I'm not talking about massage rates--just those for escorts.) Has anyone ever made sense of these, or is it just a given that they are impossible to understand? Is time with an unknown 21-year-old generally perceived as "worth more" than time with an experienced, well-reviewed 40-year-old? (The evidence is not consistent, but there's a suggestion of that.) Should you expect to pay more to fulfill your fetishes than for a pure vanilla BFE?

 

I understand that each escort has his own sense of "what the market will bear," of how much business he wants and how much time he can book at a particular rate, of the competition in his geographic area--all reasonable considerations. Just as it's reasonable for every client to have a price range in mind. I'll admit my own parameters ... if the rate is under $200 an hour, I'm a little suspicious ... and if it's $300, $350, $400, I'm not buying. I've never tried to negotiate a rate and, so far, I've always paid between $200 and $250 an hour for good experiences with such great guys that I'm not tempted beyond that price range. But you tell me--are there $300-dollar-an-hour (or more) experiences to be had that would make my best $250-an-hour session pale in comparison? Have your most expensive sessions been your best?

[Newly]

I've seen no correlation whatsoever between rates and the quality of the experience. From what little I have been able to gather rates go down somewhat as an escort ages and up if (a) the escort has been involved in porn or (b) claims to be an expert at some kinkier things. Rates also seem to go up when an escort becomes very popular (supply and demand I guess). If anything I think that popularity can end up making the experience worse. I do think that a lot depends on the client's particular needs. I'm not into any particular age group or type and can find something nice in just about everyone I meet, so I'm not into having to have one particular person but I also would not feel comfortable trying to save some money by hiring someone off of backpage that I knew nothing about. Don't really want to end up on the front page of the local rag after being robbed and/or murdered!

[+ Gar1eth]

From what little I have been able to gather rates go down somewhat as an escort ages.....

 

I'm not so sure prices actually go down. If you assume that many older escorts have been escorting for awhile, then their fees usually reflect what the general going rate was when they 1st started. Then the tendency towards a lower fee than that of younger escorts is due to the fact that they may not be raising their fees over time to keep up with the younger guys.

 

Gman

[MalcomXpark]

I'm not so sure prices actually go down. If you assume that many older escorts have been escorting for awhile, then their fees usually reflect what the general going rate was when they 1st started. This is nonsense! The same fee for 5 years? Rates usually don't go up for regulars but are updated for all new clients, rates do go up with time, inflation, cost of living, etc.

 

Then the tendency towards a lower fee than that of younger escorts is due to the fact that they may not be raising their fees over time to keep up with the younger guys. Another silly generalization... Does an 18 y/o is worth more than someone who is 30 all the time? What about muscle, cock size, looks, etc. Some guys like twinks, some don't, I was better looking at 30 then I was at 20, but maybe that's just me, besides younger escorts usually are less experienced, don't have a lot of reviews, and are more likely to be no-shows, get an attitude than older escorts, I know there are exceptions, but there have been several threads about it on here. Prices are all over the place but so are locations, in or out, how late at night, tastes, desires and needs for us clients. I would pay 400 for Ryan Rose in NYC, if he shows up, usually he doesn't... but I wouldn't pay it for someone who is not a famous pornstar.

 

Adam Smith had it very clear even in this subject, the invisible hand takes care of rates but only the good escorts make a living out of it and get to survive in the business for several years while saving their money and not wasting it.

 

 

Gman

 

This could be an issue for a whole new thread.

 

Besides, is not the same to be an escort in a big expensive city like NYC or escorting in a city like San Francisco with such a high rotation of escorts, among them pornstarts, visiting guys and a lot of locals who just do it to get a few bucks and get high, check some of the profiles on RB some of the guys look like they could be chilling in the streets of the Tenderloin.

[+ Gar1eth]

So someone apparently took issue with my hypothesis, but then deleted their message. Gee- I didn't know my proposition was so outré to be so vehemently derided.

 

Prices are all over the place. In fact guys seem to charge, 'whatever the traffic (that's us) will allow'. The major trend to me seems to be that escorts in NYC, LA, and SF and porn stars in general charge more. It still seems to me that the fees of established 'older' guys are often less than Johnny-cum-Latelys. But my hypotheses are not that near to my heart that I will be upset if someone argues with me about it or proves me wrong. Not even if they use Boldface Type.

 

Gman

[MalcomXpark]

I'm not so sure prices actually go down. If you assume that many older escorts have been escorting for awhile, then their fees usually reflect what the general going rate was when they 1st started. Then the tendency towards a lower fee than that of younger escorts is due to the fact that they may not be raising their fees over time to keep up with the younger guys.

 

Gman

 

I just wanted to be respectful and reply to you quoting your 3 opinions that from my point of view make no sense. I hope the bald didn't look as if I was yelling at you, it wasn't my intention, if that offended you, please accept my sincere apologies.

 

here my 2 cents and I'm out of here, as BVB says.

 

This is nonsense! The same fee for 5 years? Rates usually don't go up for regulars but are updated for all new clients, rates do go up with time, inflation, cost of living, etc.

 

Younger guys charging more...Another silly generalization... Does an 18 y/o is worth more than someone who is 30 all the time? What about muscle, cock size, looks, etc. Some guys like twinks, some don't, I was better looking at 30 then I was at 20, but maybe that's just me, besides younger escorts usually are less experienced, don't have a lot of reviews, and are more likely to be no-shows, get an attitude than older escorts, I know there are exceptions, but there have been several threads about it on here. Prices are all over the place but so are locations, in or out, how late at night, tastes, desires and needs for us clients. I would pay 400 for Ryan Rose in NYC, if he shows up, usually he doesn't... but I wouldn't pay it for someone who is not a famous pornstar.

 

Adam Smith had it very clear even in this subject, the invisible hand takes care of rates but only the good escorts make a living out of it and get to survive in the business for several years while saving their money and not wasting it.

 

This could be an issue for a whole new thread.

 

Besides, is not the same to be an escort in a big expensive city like NYC or escorting in a city like San Francisco with such a high rotation of escorts, among them pornstarts, visiting guys and a lot of locals who just do it to get a few bucks and get high, check some of the profiles on RB some of the guys look like they could be chilling in the streets of the Tenderloin.

 

After been stood up at the last minute or if you are horny late at night, have you ever offered extra money for taxi and inconvenience for someone to come to your place at 2 AM? I have, but that's just my 2 cents.

[Strafe13]

Back to Starbuck's original query, I have not noticed any real difference or correlation in quality of experience with respect to escort prices. $250/hour used to be my upper limit, but since I live in NYC, the market has risen past that as the median. I agree with Gman that it seems most of the younger and newer guys are charging well over $300/hr, sometimes $400/hr or more in this region. You see similar high rates in LA, too. Just my luck that it's the city I visit most in the U.S.

 

I first paid $300/hr for a visiting escort to NYC from the west coast a few yrs back, whom I'd read about and wanted to meet for a while. I enjoyed the experience, but he wasn't really better than the mid-200/hr guys I'd previously seen in NYC. That broke the ice and I've paid that rate a few more times over the years. They've generally been very good experiences, but that's probably because I usually stick to well-reviewed guys. That being said, my best experiences with pros (& all men in general) have been with the gorgeous and sexy men in Rio de Janeiro, and their rates are way lower than what we see here.

[Guest Starbuck]

Contrary to the doubt expressed (by MalcomXpark) that anyone's rate stays the same for 5 years, there's evidence of it in the reviews. I checked those of four men (2 from NYC, 1 in Boston, 1 in California -- all well-known names) and found that two have been charging $250/hour since at least as far back as 2005, one has been charging $200/hour since 2005 and the fourth charged $250/hour in 2005 and now charges $200/hour. It's hard not to think that age is a factor ... or not to notice the higher rates of many who are younger, unknown and unreviewed. (I have to add that the one guy among those four that I know personally is worth so much more than any high-priced 21-year-old could ever be ... just a matter of my own taste, I know ... to each his own.)

[whipped guy]

There is absolutely no real correlation. Some of the best out there actually do charge less. I'm thinking of a couple of guys based in Chicago for example, both of whom are way underpriced for what they offer. Come to think of it the two lowest rates they I have paid in the past few years have been from past EOY's and/or runners up. So definitely there is no concrete correlation.

[Newly]

As an aside, how standard are quoted rates and how many clients pay them? I never negotiate quoted rates because it makes me feel "cheap" and I've noted that many clients here say the same. But if the same escort is advertising on backpage or the professional section of a4a do they charge less and charge more here because they assume that clients here can afford it and it's basically charging what the market will pay? And are clients grandfathered so that if rates go up they pay the lower rate they originally paid? It's kind of an interesting question because I must admit that my research is nonexistent in that area. I guess you could say that clients on this forum tend to be older (a generalization, I know) and that's why they pay more, but this is a business not a hook up, and I would think that clients here also tend to be safer and more likely to pay/tip, and be repeat customers so that should make them more attractive customers in a business sense. Absolutely not intended as a slight against any escort, I would do the same if I were them, but does talking about rates being unimportant and negotiation being bad encourage higher rates being charged? After all, if one increases rates and business doesn't drop off you would be a fool to drop them. Although prices in some industries tend to go up in others such as TVs and other electronics they drop. One would think with the new sources of hook ups for free such as the internet and a bad economy that escort pricing would be subject to a lot of new competition. And there's a part of me that thinks some clients actually brag about paying higher prices, it adds to the fetish aspect of power and control and the right to say that one is so wealthy that price isn't an issue; kind of like buying certain luxury brands brings "prestige" to certain people who equate what they pay for something to their self esteem.

[k9lover]

Contrary to the doubt expressed (by MalcomXpark) that anyone's rate stays the same for 5 years, there's evidence of it in the reviews. I checked those of four men (2 from NYC, 1 in Boston, 1 in California -- all well-known names) and found that two have been charging $250/hour since at least as far back as 2005, one has been charging $200/hour since 2005 and the fourth charged $250/hour in 2005 and now charges $200/hour. It's hard not to think that age is a factor ... or not to notice the higher rates of many who are younger, unknown and unreviewed. (I have to add that the one guy among those four that I know personally is worth so much more than any high-priced 21-year-old could ever be ... just a matter of my own taste, I know ... to each his own.)

 

First of all I think he meant that rates stay the same for regulars, but maybe I'm confused typing this way doesn't make it clear either. I'm sure those numbers you mentioned are real and I thank you for taking time to research it, but I must say that $250 in 2005 was an outrageous rate at that time, $200 was more the average outcall and maybe incall rate, at least on a big city.

 

I think someone who charged $250 in 2005 must be charging $300 now, maybe those 2 cases you mentioned are different. Btw I think that's the average incall/outcall rate in NYC now but I'm sure pornstars could ask to be paid more.

 

I must agree with you again that to "each it's own".

[MiamiLooker]

One would think with the new sources of hook ups for free such as the internet and a bad economy that escort pricing would be subject to a lot of new competition.

As long as there are clients that are just too lazy or stupid to use alternate sources, advertised prices will continue to be high on the “pro” sites.

[adriano46]

As long as there are clients that are just too lazy or stupid to use alternate sources, advertised prices will continue to be high on the “pro” sites.

 

+1

[k9lover]

 

1st) ... if the same escort is advertising on backpage or the professional section of a4a do they charge less and charge more here because they assume that clients here can afford it and it's basically charging what the market will pay?

 

2nd) I guess you could say that clients on this forum tend to be older (a generalization, I know) and that's why they pay more, but this is a business not a hook up.

 

3rd) One would think with the new sources of hook ups for free such as the internet and a bad economy that escort pricing would be subject to a lot of new competition. And there's a part of me that thinks some clients actually brag about paying higher prices, it adds to the fetish aspect of power and control and the right to say that one is so wealthy that price isn't an issue

 

First of all, great analysis, I will only comment on the things I agree the most and the ones that I have the freedom to disagree with you.

 

1) It's true, prices are cheaper on backpage and adam4adam but they are as reliable as craigslitst used to be, I wouldn't hire someone from those sites unless I've seen his ad on RB too. Cheaper isn't always better in this business.

 

2) yes, unless the escort in his 40's, clients are 90% older. I know some rich brats or closeted college students with money would like to hire someone but usually they can't afford it. I know a local escort who gets a lot of geeks from Silicon Valley every time he visits San Francisco, most of them are overweight or don't have social skills required to hook up at a bar or even the internet.

 

3) You can hook up online if you want, but how many guys in their 20's or 30's like guys in their 50's, considering this the average age of a client. I know it doesn't apply to all of us on here, some of us are older or younger, there are chubby chasers in this world but they are not that common, youth, good looks, a nice body and a big cock, all of them in different order of priority according to our taste and needs, will get you laid, but how many of us have 1 out of this 4?

 

3b) I know a lot of guys on here who bragged about things they never did nor been able to afford, I'm sure there are wealthy folks on here but escorts are told a lot of stories about how rich some of their clients are. In my personal experience people who have money, just have it, don't brag about it.

 

But let me assure that unless you are young or at least have pictures that make you look young, many of us will waste time on grindr.

[+ Gar1eth]

As long as there are clients that are just too lazy or stupid to use alternate sources, advertised prices will continue to be high on the “pro” sites.

 

If I had to depend on the alternate sites for sex- either for paid or non-paid, I might almost as well renouce society/sex and go live as a holy celibate hermit. A few years ago my answer would have been- at least for non-paid adventures never- now I would tell you that non- paid adventures happen only a bit more frequently than February 29th. As for paid experiences, over the years I've seen less and less credible guys on Adam4Adam, Backpage, or Craigslist. And I've almost never come across someone fee for service who fits my likes- very vanilla by the way- on the Social phone apps. In fact I recently deleted all my Social Phone Apps. They just prove to be frustrating in the end- looking at all these younger hot guys who aren't available to me. And also the hot older guys who aren't available because they are looking for a hot young guy.

 

Gman

[marylander1940]

If I had to depend on the alternate sites for sex- either for paid or non-paid, I might almost as well renouce society/sex and go live as a holy celibate hermit. A few years ago my answer would have been- at least for non-paid adventures never- now I would tell you that non- paid adventures happen only a bit more frequently than February 29th. As for paid experiences, over the years I've seen less and less credible guys on Adam4Adam, Backpage, or Craigslist. And I've almost never come across someone fee for service who fits my likes- very vanilla by the way- on the Social phone apps. In fact I recently deleted all my Social Phone Apps. They just prove to be frustrating in the end- looking at all these younger hot guys who aren't available to me. And also the hot older guys who aren't available because they are looking for a hot young guy.

 

Gman

 

I agree with you 100%, I'm old too, I can't get laid with young/er folks for free!

 

Btw, welcome back! I thought you retired from this forum last November.

[+ Gar1eth]

I agree with you 100%, I'm old too, I can't get laid with young/er folks for free!

 

Btw, welcome back! I thought you retired from this forum last November.

 

I appreciate the welcome back. I had. I mainly came back because I was helping out a relative who had surgery. Yes I realize that sounds like a non sequitur. I'll explain. A relative had surgery. I needed to help out. I was with my relative for three weeks or a bit more. While I was helping out, I had a lot of free time. But I couldn't really go out on my own due to circumstances. Being active on the Forum again helped alleviate a lot of my boredom. And once I restarted- well it's hard to break a habit you've had since 1997/8. I think however I am going to have to soon try to abstain again -#1. my situation isn't any better- probably worse now than it was when I swore off to begin with. #2 And I'm posting an incredible amount. People are probably tired of hearing all my comments.

 

Gman

[bobchitown]

As a consumer, I always looo at price last. Doesn't matter what it is, hotels, a new suit, escort, whatever. When I'm down to two or three more or less equal, I go with the least expensive.

[tom1980]

I appreciate the welcome back. I had. I mainly came back because I was helping out a relative who had surgery. Yes I realize that sounds like a non sequitur. I'll explain. A relative had surgery. I needed to help out. I was with my relative for three weeks or a bit more. While I was helping out, I had a lot of free time. But I couldn't really go out on my own due to circumstances. Being active on the Forum again helped alleviate a lot of my boredom. And once I restarted- well it's hard to break a habit you've had since 1997/8. I think however I am going to have to soon try to abstain again -#1. my situation isn't any better- probably worse now than it was when I swore off to begin with. #2 And I'm posting an incredible amount. People are probably tired of hearing all my comments.

 

Gman

 

I'd noticed your relatively frequent posting of late and had wondered about your prior retirement announcement as well. I hoped you had just changed your mind and figured that calling you out on it wasn't the best way to keep you around. I've been enjoying your comments. I'm cutting back on my hiring, but I've been checking in here and posting more lately than I had been.

[kjun]

The question of who charges more and for what reason is conjecture except for the fact that escorts appear to be generally demanding more for their services. 2013 saw rates rise to and above the $300 mark significantly and the ones who have caused this are those who pay this amount for whatever reason.

[marylander1940]

The question of who charges more and for what reason is conjecture except for the fact that escorts appear to be generally demanding more for their services. 2013 saw rates rise to and above the $300 mark significantly and the ones who have caused this are those who pay this amount for whatever reason.

 

I agree with you, 300 is more than enough, unless his a Randy Blue, Falcon, Sean Cody or Corbin Fisher star.

[anotherjohnindupont]

An escort can ask whatever he wants, is up to you (us) to say yes or no, at the end Ayn Rand and Adam Smith are right when it comes to this market.

 

May I also add that if escorting was legal in the US it would be cheaper just like in Europe, Brazil, Australia, etc.

[big-n-tall]

I think rates in general have gone up about $50 since I first started. The average seems to be about $300 now. I think lately when someone new gets into the business they see the average rate and just charge the same. There maybe some newbies who just put out a high number to see what they can get. If they get that price frequently, they continue with that rate.

 

Rates vary for all sorts of reasons, many already mentioned here. I know some well reviewed escorts who have not changed their rates as long as I have known them (5 or more years). Their rates have stayed in the $200-$250 range. One particular escort I know, he and I get along so well (personally and sexually) that he barely charges me anything when I see him. It's mostly just enough to cover the cost of the hotel. Some charge super premium rates because they can (as mentioned, usually the high profile porn performer). And then some escorts vary their rates from place to place, depending on the area of the country they travel to.

 

Btw, not only do I hire, but I have "friends with benefits." I don't use many of the newer ways to hook up (grindr etc.), not because I can't... they just seem so impersonal to me. I'm not really a one night stand kind of guy. :-) If a escort or non-escort and myself hit it off, I tend to see them every time I can.

[+ purplekow]

I'm not so sure prices actually go down. If you assume that many older escorts have been escorting for awhile, then their fees usually reflect what the general going rate was when they 1st started. Then the tendency towards a lower fee than that of younger escorts is due to the fact that they may not be raising their fees over time to keep up with the younger guys.

 

Gman

That is why my go to guy is Methusala Sure he is over 900 years old but for 3 shekels an hour, who can argue?

[jimboivyo]

others have said it before. an escort can charge what he wants and if you can afford it and want to see him, you will pay. All kinds of rates out there. find yours.

 

I think a lot of this needling over rate comes from folks who can't or dont hire often and aren't used to paying for top quality. I get that expensive isn't always better but if a guy has great reviews, good pictures and more, paying his higher rate isn't a deal breaker