The Hourly Rate

[leigh.bess.toad]

3) You can hook up online if you want, but how many guys in their 20's or 30's like guys in their 50's, considering this the average age of a client. I know it doesn't apply to all of us on here, some of us are older or younger, there are chubby chasers in this world but they are not that common, youth, good looks, a nice body and a big cock, all of them in different order of priority according to our taste and needs, will get you laid, but how many of us have 1 out of this 4?

 

But let me assure that unless you are young or at least have pictures that make you look young, many of us will waste time on grindr.

 

Maybe I'm the outlier, but that hasn't been my experience. At all. I've had so many guys in their late teens, 20s and 30s try to hook up with me on the apps, it's crazy. There have been more than a couple that I've told others I'd want to card before I had sex with them. Yes, I'm in great shape and pretty muscular, yes, I have a nice dick (not bragging, just reporting what I've been told). And I"m 58 years old, and my ads all have my actual age (and other stats). Being a hairy, muscle daddy who is versatile seems to be a big draw to a lot of younger guys. Maybe it comes down to being in great shape which is the draw for the older guy, I don't know. But all I know is that I've had a lot more interest from guys in that age range now than I ever did when I WAS that age range myself. The thing about guys that age is that I never approach them on the apps. They all come to me.

 

But it seems odd, but it's guys in their 40s and 50s who don't seem as interested. Probably they are chasing the younger guys. So even though I'm in a lot better shape than most guys my age, they still aren't interested in someone closer to their own age. So I get more action from the younger guys than guys around my own age. Which I just find a bit odd. I'm not complaining, but it is odd.

[bigvalboy]

Maybe I'm the outlier, but that hasn't been my experience. At all. I've had so many guys in their late teens, 20s and 30s try to hook up with me on the apps, it's crazy. There have been more than a couple that I've told others I'd want to card before I had sex with them. Yes, I'm in great shape and pretty muscular, yes, I have a nice dick (not bragging, just reporting what I've been told). And I"m 58 years old, and my ads all have my actual age (and other stats). Being a hairy, muscle daddy who is versatile seems to be a big draw to a lot of younger guys. Maybe it comes down to being in great shape which is the draw for the older guy, I don't know. But all I know is that I've had a lot more interest from guys in that age range now than I ever did when I WAS that age range myself. The thing about guys that age is that I never approach them on the apps. They all come to me.

 

But it seems odd, but it's guys in their 40s and 50s who don't seem as interested. Probably they are chasing the younger guys. So even though I'm in a lot better shape than most guys my age, they still aren't interested in someone closer to their own age. So I get more action from the younger guys than guys around my own age. Which I just find a bit odd. I'm not complaining, but it is odd.

 

Spot on...Much of what you say was my experience also. I agree, there most likely is a lower percentile that I was dealing with, but on the few occasions that I put my ad up just for 'shits and giggles' with pics and stats, more younger guys contacted me than older. And I also did not contact or 'chase' if you will, the younger guys that were on there. It's was a personal decision that I had made, but I think many of these kids have a genuine desire to be with an older guy.....

[Nvr2Thick]

Some of the best guys I've been with have not been focused on "what the market will bear". They're not escorting as a primary profession and may set their rates lower because they have different motivators. I've met quite a few guys who get a kick out of discovering how desirable they are, and who enjoy meeting up with average clients and giving them the times of their lives.

 

A decade or so ago Matt - Excellent-Top aka Rod Majors was once asked why he wasn't asking porn star rates. He was charging $150 when he clearly could have been in the same league as his fellow model-handsome, very well hung, and former porn star escorts. His answer was something to the effect of: But then you miss out on the good $150 clients.

 

A favorite out in LA used to say that when he was maximizing his rates his clients expected so much out of him. They were milking every last minute out of him and acted like he better be worth every dime. When he dropped his rates to the low side of average the scenes were much more relaxed and the sex was much more satisfying for both himself and his client.

[MiamiLooker]

A decade or so ago Matt - Excellent-Top aka Rod Majors was once asked why he wasn't asking porn star rates. He was charging $150 when he clearly could have been in the same league as his fellow model-handsome, very well hung, and former porn star escorts. His answer was something to the effect of: But then you miss out on the good $150 clients.

It's funny that you would bring up Matt Sanchez (aka Excellent Top; Rod Majors), conservative spokesperson.

Check out this link to Excellent Top's old web page: http://www.kimtragedy.info/toppage/

[MalcomXpark]

Seeing the name Ayn Rand here just made my day! Thank you. Here is what I wonder: how many clients does a typical escort see per week? If a $200 per hour escort can attract more clients than a $500 per hour escort maybe the $200 per hour escort will be the wealthier man. For example, how many men can a Zeb Atlas see on a typical week at a rate of $500?

 

Exactly, you're right about it. The market will fix itself, if a guys doesn't get too many calls, he'll simply lower his price or get another job.

[+ azdr0710]

A favorite out in LA used to say that when he was maximizing his rates his clients expected so much out of him. They were milking every last minute out of him and acted like he better be worth every dime. When he dropped his rates to the low side of average the scenes were much more relaxed and the sex was much more satisfying for both himself and his client.

 

 

I think this is a very good point.....thanks, Nvr

[+ poolboy48220]

Maybe I'm the outlier, but that hasn't been my experience. At all. I've had so many guys in their late teens, 20s and 30s try to hook up with me on the apps, it's crazy. There have been more than a couple that I've told others I'd want to card before I had sex with them. Yes, I'm in great shape and pretty muscular, yes, I have a nice dick (not bragging, just reporting what I've been told). And I"m 58 years old, and my ads all have my actual age (and other stats). Being a hairy, muscle daddy who is versatile seems to be a big draw to a lot of younger guys. Maybe it comes down to being in great shape which is the draw for the older guy, I don't know. But all I know is that I've had a lot more interest from guys in that age range now than I ever did when I WAS that age range myself. The thing about guys that age is that I never approach them on the apps. They all come to me.

 

But it seems odd, but it's guys in their 40s and 50s who don't seem as interested. Probably they are chasing the younger guys. So even though I'm in a lot better shape than most guys my age, they still aren't interested in someone closer to their own age. So I get more action from the younger guys than guys around my own age. Which I just find a bit odd. I'm not complaining, but it is odd.

Thank you Lee, I'm about to turn 54. I'd write a longer response but you've convinced me to hit the gym today.

[Michael Wayne]

It comes down to this: does an escort want to make money with high traffic/high volume or with high QUALITY? I made a fortune in New orleans on craigslist. I personally do not like Backpage and I find that adam for adam is made up of MOSTLY drug users (with some exceptions) . These days i will OCCASIONALLY run a craigslist ad on a day when i have no appointments from my 3 major sites (rb...m4rn or rentmen.com) . The ad is clearly pro and i always get slammed. Were i a beginner or a guy looking to build a biz i still say craigslist is the way to go. As a long time pro i have very few days without appointments. I find from craigslist that i do get HOT clients alot which is fun. What some guys here dont realize is that the VAST majority of potential new clients do not know the big three sites even exist. Most are married and deeply closeted. They can get away with going to CL. What i do is refer them to my 3 main ads and let them follow up with me. For me i have always believed that an even 200 was a fair rate. In Sw fla where i live now (Gods' waiting room) it causes alot of sticker shock. Many guys will hire at 100 or 150 but to them 200 is out of the question as they all think they are going to live to be 120 and run out of money. These guys are all over the lesser sites. Grindr and scruff here are full of them. They get shot down by young guys 20 times a day but they keep on trying. For me if i were older and sucessful i would and i am sure i will someday HIRE. It is easier and safer. http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

[leigh.bess.toad]

Thank you Lee, I'm about to turn 54. I'd write a longer response but you've convinced me to hit the gym today.

 

That's the way to do it. Although the gym is the lesser half of the equation. Obviously, the diet is the greater of the equation.

 

I think the best way I ever heard it put was "be what you want to attract". I've been drawn to the hairy muscle daddy so now that I am one, I'm finding out why and the advantages of it. I just wasn't expecting the 20-30 year olds to be so drawn to it.

[Bosguy]

That's the way to do it. Although the gym is the lesser half of the equation. Obviously, the diet is the greater of the equation.

 

I think the best way I ever heard it put was "be what you want to attract". I've been drawn to the hairy muscle daddy so now that I am one, I'm finding out why and the advantages of it. I just wasn't expecting the 20-30 year olds to be so drawn to it.

 

And I'm sure you didn't fall for the advances of all those HOT younger men :-) wink, wink

 

Boston Bill

[leigh.bess.toad]

And I'm sure you didn't fall for the advances of all those HOT younger men :-) wink, wink

 

Boston Bill

 

Not ALL of them. . I left a few for you.

[Bosguy]

Not ALL of them. . I left a few for you.

 

We'll have to have a 2 for 1 sale in April. I plan to cum down after the Cherry Blossom Festival (wow, I didn't know they still had cherries in DC) to enjoy the Dave/Tyger show--that's like a Dinner Theater with Audience participation isn't it? :-)

 

Have fun and don't behave.

 

Boston Bill

[McLeanspider]

Maybe I'm the outlier, but that hasn't been my experience. At all. I've had so many guys in their late teens, 20s and 30s try to hook up with me on the apps, it's crazy. There have been more than a couple that I've told others I'd want to card before I had sex with them. Yes, I'm in great shape and pretty muscular, yes, I have a nice dick (not bragging, just reporting what I've been told). And I"m 58 years old, and my ads all have my actual age (and other stats). Being a hairy, muscle daddy who is versatile seems to be a big draw to a lot of younger guys. Maybe it comes down to being in great shape which is the draw for the older guy, I don't know. But all I know is that I've had a lot more interest from guys in that age range now than I ever did when I WAS that age range myself. The thing about guys that age is that I never approach them on the apps. They all come to me.

 

But it seems odd, but it's guys in their 40s and 50s who don't seem as interested. Probably they are chasing the younger guys. So even though I'm in a lot better shape than most guys my age, they still aren't interested in someone closer to their own age. So I get more action from the younger guys than guys around my own age. Which I just find a bit odd. I'm not complaining, but it is odd.

 

Spot on...Much of what you say was my experience also. I agree, there most likely is a lower percentile that I was dealing with, but on the few occasions that I put my ad up just for 'shits and giggles' with pics and stats, more younger guys contacted me than older. And I also did not contact or 'chase' if you will, the younger guys that were on there. It's was a personal decision that I had made, but I think many of these kids have a genuine desire to be with an older guy.....

 

I wonder if yinz are so handsome that get younger men for free, why do you come to this site dedicated to escorts? Specially to pay $200, $250, $300 or more when you can get it for free.

 

If hot guys like you stop paying for younger men and get them for free as you both say you do, maybe the price of escorts would go down for all of us ugly old men on here.

[bigvalboy]

It comes down to this: does an escort want to make money with high traffic/high volume or with high QUALITY? I made a fortune in New orleans on craigslist. I personally do not like Backpage and I find that adam for adam is made up of MOSTLY drug users (with some exceptions) . These days i will OCCASIONALLY run a craigslist ad on a day when i have no appointments from my 3 major sites (rb...m4rn or rentmen.com) . The ad is clearly pro and i always get slammed. Were i a beginner or a guy looking to build a biz i still say craigslist is the way to go. As a long time pro i have very few days without appointments. I find from craigslist that i do get HOT clients alot which is fun. What some guys here dont realize is that the VAST majority of potential new clients do not know the big three sites even exist. Most are married and deeply closeted. They can get away with going to CL. What i do is refer them to my 3 main ads and let them follow up with me. For me i have always believed that an even 200 was a fair rate. In Sw fla where i live now (Gods' waiting room) it causes alot of sticker shock. Many guys will hire at 100 or 150 but to them 200 is out of the question as they all think they are going to live to be 120 and run out of money. These guys are all over the lesser sites. Grindr and scruff here are full of them. They get shot down by young guys 20 times a day but they keep on trying. For me if i were older and sucessful i would and i am sure i will someday HIRE. It is easier and safer. http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

 

Well much of what you say Mikey is absolutely true. I know several members who are much younger than I am, who routinely love to go to CL. I don't care for it, as I have settled into my own way of doing things, that tends to work very well for me, but for them, despite the 3 big sites, as you say, for them also there is a certain excitement about hiring some kid off of CL that is not so much the "pro" if you will, but maybe on there just to make a few bucks, to pay for school or whatever. Now it is 'always' hit-n-miss' but when they hit, there tends to be a greater excitement or even satisfaction that they found the diamond in the rough. Make no mistake about it, I get sent pictures of these guys that they have hired from CL and some of these these kids are real diamonds. Most of these kids are charging about the same as an escort site, so I don't see the advantage. I guess in the end it is all just a game of sorts and you have to stick to what works best for you. I just feel a little uncomfortable with the whole CL thing. I think for SW that 200 is very fair, which is why you appear to stay busy, and I am realizing that much of what you say about the guys in SW are true. They are more comfortable in the 100-150 range. Perhaps the old adage that "You get what you pay for" is not necessarily always true...LOL

[leigh.bess.toad]

I wonder if yinz are so handsome that get younger men for free, why do you come to this site dedicated to escorts? Specially to pay $200, $250, $300 or more when you can get it for free.

 

If hot guys like you stop paying for younger men and get them for free as you both say you do, maybe the price of escorts would go down for all of us ugly old men on here.

 

Maybe because I see more to the escorts than the sex and can combine both escorts and the hookup sites? Maybe because the escorts are what got me to the point where I'm confident enough in myself that I could even risk putting a profile out there not knowing what in the hell would happen? And maybe even though I'm not hiring anywhere near as much as I used to, I'm still a huge proponent of what an escort can do for someone. Maybe because this is my community too. Which is why I organize the DC luncheon -- as a way to payback to the escorts for all that they have done for me. Maybe that's why I come to this site. And maybe because I've paid my dues here and maybe I can help others who were in a same place as i was.

[bigvalboy]

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I wonder if yinz are so handsome that get younger men for free, why do you come to this site dedicated to escorts? Specially to pay $200, $250, $300 or more when you can get it for free.

 

If hot guys like you stop paying for younger men and get them for free as you both say you do, maybe the price of escorts would go down for all of us ugly old men on here.

 

Maybe because I see more to the escorts than the sex and can combine both escorts and the hookup sites? Maybe because the escorts are what got me to the point where I'm confident enough in myself that I could even risk putting a profile out there not knowing what in the hell would happen? And maybe even though I'm not hiring anywhere near as much as I used to, I'm still a huge proponent of what an escort can do for someone. Maybe because this is my community too. Which is why I organize the DC luncheon -- as a way to payback to the escorts for all that they have done for me. Maybe that's why I come to this site. And maybe because I've paid my dues here and maybe I can help others who were in a same place as i was.

 

+1...Thank you Lee, for your articulate response. I could not have said it better myself. And allow me to add that each of us brings something special and unique to the table, even at my age. I have on numerous occasions befriended these young kids, often times for showing them a part of the world that they, under any other circumstance, would not be able to experience. It is not always about money. I was talking to a young dancer the other night who asked me out, he wants to buy me pizza and beer, very simple. He is 24 years old and has never been outside the city limits of Fort Lauderdale.

 

What I bring to the table is a lifetime of adventure, and experience. Do I hire as much as I have in the past, absolutely not, but it is escorts that helped me to have the confidence to realize that not all of this is about money, that I didn't need to open the wallet every time I wanted sex. Just today I received an invitation to a SB party from a young escort that sought out my friendship 8 months ago. When I hesitated, not sure of his motives, he simply told me that what he really needed was a friend in his life, someone who didn't want anything else from him. That's it, plain and simple. He had run his life into a brick wall and was completely lost. I gently pulled him back on track, and today he has started his own business. Life is a two way street, none of us can go it alone....Happy SB Sunday to everyone.

[McLeanspider]

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+1...Thank you Lee, for your articulate response. I could not have said it better myself. And allow me to add that each of us brings something special and unique to the table, even at my age. I have on numerous occasions befriended these young kids, often times for showing them a part of the world that they, under any other circumstance, would not be able to experience. It is not always about money. I was talking to a young dancer the other night who asked me out, he wants to buy me pizza and beer, very simple. He is 24 years old and has never been outside the city limits of Fort Lauderdale.

 

What I bring to the table is a lifetime of adventure, and experience. Do I hire as much as I have in the past, absolutely not, but it is escorts that helped me to have the confidence to realize that not all of this is about money, that I didn't need to open the wallet every time I wanted sex. Just today I received an invitation to a SB party from a young escort that sought out my friendship 8 months ago. When I hesitated, not sure of his motives, he simply told me that what he really needed was a friend in his life, someone who didn't want anything else from him. That's it, plain and simple. He had run his life into a brick wall and was completely lost. I gently pulled him back on track, and today he has started his own business. Life is a two way street, none of us can go it alone....Happy SB Sunday to everyone.

 

I think Leig... was talking mostly about sex and not so much about other things, at least on his first posting and now the 2 of you are coming up with all this experience and friendship issue which is a whole different story and hopefully a new thread will be open about it.

 

Maybe I'm the outlier, but that hasn't been my experience. At all. I've had so many guys in their late teens, 20s and 30s try to hook up with me on the apps, it's crazy. There have been more than a couple that I've told others I'd want to card before I had sex with them. Yes, I'm in great shape and pretty muscular, yes, I have a nice dick (not bragging, just reporting what I've been told). And I"m 58 years old, and my ads all have my actual age (and other stats). Being a hairy, muscle daddy who is versatile seems to be a big draw to a lot of younger guys. Maybe it comes down to being in great shape which is the draw for the older guy, I don't know. But all I know is that I've had a lot more interest from guys in that age range now than I ever did when I WAS that age range myself. The thing about guys that age is that I never approach them on the apps. They all come to me.

 

But it seems odd, but it's guys in their 40s and 50s who don't seem as interested. Probably they are chasing the younger guys. So even though I'm in a lot better shape than most guys my age, they still aren't interested in someone closer to their own age. So I get more action from the younger guys than guys around my own age. Which I just find a bit odd. I'm not complaining, but it is odd.

 

The first statement by Leigh was about sex and nothing but free sex from younger men, so many of them that he has to turn them down. Guys int their 50's chasing younger men who don't want them but they do want you who are 58? If muscle daddies are in such a demand I think we should have a mach, I wonder if instead of grindr you guys meant silverdaddy or anything like it.

 

Immediately after BVB agreed as he usually does with many different posters about the same issue and from many different perspectives.

 

If you guys are so handsome and so lucky on grindr why do you need to pay for younger men when you can get so lucky online and do it for free?

 

I'm sorry but it doesn't wash, I'm out of here!

 

Go Broncos!

[Bosguy]

Maybe because I see more to the escorts than the sex and can combine both escorts and the hookup sites? Maybe because the escorts are what got me to the point where I'm confident enough in myself that I could even risk putting a profile out there not knowing what in the hell would happen? And maybe even though I'm not hiring anywhere near as much as I used to, I'm still a huge proponent of what an escort can do for someone. Maybe because this is my community too. Which is why I organize the DC luncheon -- as a way to payback to the escorts for all that they have done for me. Maybe that's why I come to this site. And maybe because I've paid my dues here and maybe I can help others who were in a same place as i was.

 

I have to object to how Lee's remarks were interpreted. Lee has hired numerous high quality guys over the 3 years I have known him and become a friend and confidant to all of them. Although I have not seen him in a year or more, he has done a great job of sculpting a whole new look which he is proud of ALMOST as proud as his true friendships with fellow clients and escorts alike and his own accomplishments in becoming the emotional man he is happy with. I personally think that he is pleased that younger guys find appeal in him that he never got before. For Lee, this is a totally separate issue from hiring escorts which, I believe, he still does.

 

One final thought. Please do NOT put BVB in the same category as Lee. Totally different qualities.

 

Boston Bill

 

I hope this helps clarify Lee's stance on this issue