I will probably regret this

[Xander]

I agree, but as an escort sometimes it's hard not to be on the phone. You get addicted. The client is right though.

 

I've never understood this. Before you walk through the door, your phone should be silent or turned off. If a client gets upset at you for anything that comes afterward that may have precipitated from you not turning off your phone it is YOUR fault.

[Xander]

Xander, I love the idea of only doing extended stay. However some people dont have time to always do that, so the only thing in that is you may lose a possible extended stay if you cant do a two hour or something. Because that could be a gateway to someone bringing you on a trip.

 

After this summer I won't be needing money ... I don't see the purpose of passing myself around guys for money that I honestly just won't need to survive. I enjoy the time I spend with clients when its longer term (at least an overnight). In my mind, the distinction between a real high-class escort and a regular escort isn't on price, its on duration.

[Irtwo]

I'm not sure where you guys are getting that this started as a discounted price for the overnight. The escort said "the total price paid was 500 dollars for an all day activity". I took that to mean that was the price that they ended up agreeing to as a compromise after the session ended early (which the client referenced). That was the "all day activity". As far as I can tell, the original agreed overnight was set at the regular price.

 

On another note, the "venue" noted in the review said "brothel".... are there male brothels in this country, or does that mean something else in here?

[Rod Hagen]

The line in the review which almost made me not go any further was along the lines of "On a side note, Tristan made to me an unethical proposal which I declined."

 

This is a very common tactic in debate and argument. Say something really shady-sounding, load it up with completely vague or non-existent details, and then leave it at that. The point of this tactic is to try and immediately get you on their side before they tell you a word about what the real crux of their issue is. Many people, even subconsciously, fall for it. It sticks in your mind. It's highly prejudicial and unfair, as a defense attorney would say.

 

It made me, at least question if not doubt, most of the rest of the review.

 

It's so manipulative that I feel this kind of unsubstantiated libel should not be allowed and yet I don't know how to prevent it. In the days of Zagat, a paid service, you'd never read a commentator claim that a waitress told her there'd been a rat problem because that kind of seriously-damaging libel against a business could not be proven. And now in yelp, they can and they do and the best a business can do is respond. Much like this site. A reviewer can suggest, or outright claim, that an escort lied or attempted something unsafe or race-bait, or whatever and all the escort can do is respond and refute. But the claim, no matter how significant and unsubstantiated, stands.

 

And you're right, in this case he's clearly playing us and to those of us who read carefully, it makes us less, rather than more, likely to take him at his word.

 

Regarding phones in social setting: Being 40 I'm stuck directly between Baby Boomers and Millennials, whom I prefer to call Generation Y. My slight prejudice against young people (particularly when I was one) compels me to believe that "inappropriate" phone use is a generational thing. However, the other night at a nice restaurant a @ 70 year old and a twink on third or fourth date sat next to me. The twink's phone never left his pocket, the older man couldn't put his down--holding it up to show the twink photos, texts, whatevers. I still believe this socially-tone deff techno-attachment is generational, but like all generalizations, there are exceptions and this was a particularly striking one.

[cany10011]

When both sides feel shorted, i don't think anything good can come of the encounter and it may be best to call it a day... as it seems in this case.

 

1)The escort felt he was owed some compensation for the flight that never occurred that he had to pay for already; did he use this credit to subsequently pay for his ticket to chicago? It was never really explained; or perhaps, he was flying in to meet another client on that client's dime and tried to squeeze this obligation in as he is a nice guy and given that they both had a great prior hookup? Anyhow, the escort should have mentioned this in some prior communication to the client so that the client knew what the escort's expectation$ were aside from "discounted" rate, then it would be up to the client to decide if he were to fork over the extra money for the lost ticket as well as to the discounted rate.

 

2) The client felt shorted since the escort didn't really follow certain requests in terms of clothing to wear, his physique or appearance (scruff/hair on chest) was not what he was expecting. I think these are small offenses and would not have been that put off if the escort forgot to wear something specific. I think it may have to do with the attitude that the escort felt that he was doing a favor and seemed disconnected by being on his smart phone at all times.

 

I'm sorry this occurred to two good people. Perhaps it just wasn't meant to be.

 

 

 

Well said. It seems as the "confrontation" could have been handled better, perhaps by both but certainly by the escort.

 

I was unclear about part of the response where he said "This client and I were supposed to meet in October, but an ice storm in Connecticut canceled the flights into the clients home area. These were flights that I paid for out of pocket and was due to be reimbursed by the client." Is he stating that the client should have but didn't pay for the flight that got canceled? Wouldn't a canceled flight be reimbursed (or at least credited) by the airline if was due to weather and a delay wouldn't be acceptable to the passenger? I am struggling a bit to understand what his point was to bring this up.

[Griffin Donavon]

I agree, but as an escort sometimes it's hard not to be on the phone. You get addicted. The client is right though.

 

Are job as a escort is to satisfy are friends, we are supposed to be the fantasy boyfriend who show extreme amounts of passion and read what they need. Most men don't tell you what they want and our job is too be intuitive. I don't care what the situation is, don't get on your phone without asking. We need to think how we want to be treated. It's are duty to be passionate, thoughtful, attitude free, and meet the desires. I think Baldwin needs to take some lessons from Brendan Steele.

[Decatur Guy]

This is why I value this website. I know some heated discussion was involved, but it was an informative review/exchange. And the conclusion for me: Whatever small inkling I had left, after previous discussions, to hire Mr. Baldwin one day is now over because of his response to the review.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Unless I am having 8 to 12 hours of straight sex, I am not paying someone to actually lay down and sleep next to me. I realize that everyone hires for a different reason but I guess when I hire it is for fantasy fulfillment and going to a show, dinner and then sleeping is not very fulfilling to me (especially when I am paying for it).

 

If you feel like you're paying someone to sleep next to you and that's all you're left with after an overnight appointment, then you've hired the wrong escort.

[Jaker27]

Not just escorts, it seems people nowadays feel it's fine to check your phone regardless of the company. It's almost like meeting someone else at a restaurant while you're having a meal with someone, and leaving your dinner companion to go have a chat with other person. It's a modern day etiquette issue.

Hell with that. That's why text messaging was invented. You can send a message saying your having lunch right now and will get back to them in x amount of time. I'd have enough self confidence in myself to just get up and leave their asses if they pulled that shit with me. PS I have. Funny how fast they get off the phone when they see me getting up

[+ Travis69]

You take the phone out of the other person's hand, put it on the floor, stomp on it and then leave.

[Bosguy]

If you feel like you're paying someone to sleep next to you and that's all you're left with after an overnight appointment, then you've hired the wrong escort.

 

Chris is exactly right. I enjoy overnights very much--certainly not to sleep next to someone. If you choose the right guy and discuss it, the sleep aspect is third in line after SEX and socializing.

 

Boston Bill

[instudiocity]

If you feel like you're paying someone to sleep next to you and that's all you're left with after an overnight appointment, then you've hired the wrong escort.

ABSOLUTELY, I'm not paying to be slept with, I'm paying to be AWAKENED, shockingly, repeatedly, dramatically, like the song goes, ALL NIGHT LONG!

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

ABSOLUTELY, I'm not paying to be slept with, I'm paying to be AWAKENED, shockingly, repeatedly, dramatically, like the song goes, ALL NIGHT LONG!

 

And held. And caressed. And massaged. And listened to. And comforted. And titillated. And bathed. And the list goes on.

[Bart]

As of now I do not regret opening the thread at all.

Irtwo I assume when Tristan states “I priced so low because I legitimately felt based on the emails we would have fun” that sounds like he discounted the rate to me.

Opera I don’t know what there is to doubt about the review, Tristan confirmed everything the client said and felt he entitled to make phone calls and conduct business while in the company of the client. His own words that maybe he should have communicated that.

We seem to be hung up the cell usage , when Tristan also states he felt he was being treated like a slave. I guess we accepting that comment too?

There are so many excellent gentlemen who work their butts off happily for us that when we accept behavior like this and continue to hire based upon Tristan’s own words, we as clients look like chumps.

But feel free to hire and accept behavior and maybe you will be lucky and right in the middle of kissing Tristan his phone will buzz and ask you to hold that pose while I take this call. I am sure that will make you feel real special.

Don’t worry my last post on this subject. You don’t need to even read the review. TB’s own words hang him here. “I might as well be a slave being prepared for auction”

Such a drama queen!

[operalover21]

It's so manipulative that I feel this kind of unsubstantiated libel should not be allowed and yet I don't know how to prevent it. In the days of Zagat, a paid service, you'd never read a commentator claim that a waitress told her there'd been a rat problem because that kind of seriously-damaging libel against a business could not be proven. And now in yelp, they can and they do and the best a business can do is respond. Much like this site. A reviewer can suggest, or outright claim, that an escort lied or attempted something unsafe or race-bait, or whatever and all the escort can do is respond and refute. But the claim, no matter how significant and unsubstantiated, stands.

 

And you're right, in this case he's clearly playing us and to those of us who read carefully, it makes us less, rather than more, likely to take him at his word.

 

Regarding phones in social setting: Being 40 I'm stuck directly between Baby Boomers and Millennials, whom I prefer to call Generation Y. My slight prejudice against young people (particularly when I was one) compels me to believe that "inappropriate" phone use is a generational thing. However, the other night at a nice restaurant a @ 70 year old and a twink on third or fourth date sat next to me. The twink's phone never left his pocket, the older man couldn't put his down--holding it up to show the twink photos, texts, whatevers. I still believe this socially-tone deff techno-attachment is generational, but like all generalizations, there are exceptions and this was a particularly striking one.

 

Believe me, Rod, there is nothing like a Baby Boomer (I'm a Boomer) who discovers "today's" technology or who thinks their cool with their new toys. That's what's going on here. It is an exception to the rule but it's a glaring one. I've been around my friends like that and yet I have 30 something friends who leave their phones in their pockets during our time together and never check them until I go to the bathroom ....

[operalover21]

And held. And caressed. And massaged. And listened to. And comforted. And titillated. And bathed. And the list goes on.

 

I think I'm in love

[+ Gar1eth]

Don't Take This Post Seriously--I Was Trying For Levity

 

The only thing I would like to caution posters on this topic is the following. We have spent years, and I literally mean years, going through major cat fights every time the name Benjamin Nicholas is mentioned on this site. Whenever his name appears his devoted defenders and his devoted detractors immediately rush out of the woodwork and we are off and running. Please let’s not go down this same path regarding Tristan Baldwin. Everyone is certainly entitled to his opinion regarding Mr. Baldwin but let’s realize that opinions differ and leave it at that.

 

Unhhun--I've figured this out. It's all been a diabolical plot of Benjamin Nicholas lovers who have plotted and schemed for years to get Ben free from this love/hate merry-go-round, and substitute someone else whom people feel strongly about on both sides. Well Played Sirs!!!!!!!

 

 

Gman

[operalover21]

As of now I do not regret opening the thread at all.

Irtwo I assume when Tristan states “I priced so low because I legitimately felt based on the emails we would have fun” that sounds like he discounted the rate to me.

Opera I don’t know what there is to doubt about the review, Tristan confirmed everything the client said and felt he entitled to make phone calls and conduct business while in the company of the client. His own words that maybe he should have communicated that.

We seem to be hung up the cell usage , when Tristan also states he felt he was being treated like a slave. I guess we accepting that comment too?

There are so many excellent gentlemen who work their butts off happily for us that when we accept behavior like this and continue to hire based upon Tristan’s own words, we as clients look like chumps.

But feel free to hire and accept behavior and maybe you will be lucky and right in the middle of kissing Tristan his phone will buzz and ask you to hold that pose while I take this call. I am sure that will make you feel real special.

Don’t worry my last post on this subject. You don’t need to even read the review. TB’s own words hang him here. “I might as well be a slave being prepared for auction”

Such a drama queen!

 

Look at it from the escort's point of view. Just because you're being paid to be there does that mean you have to do anything the client says? And no matter how they say it? I can relate to the "slave" comment. Is it okay for a client to treat an escort like a slave or, alternatively, a piece of meat to be used? I think it's a fair question to ask which is what I felt the escort was trying to say.

 

I think both parties have to treat each other with some sort of respect. I recently recounted a very unpleasant overnight that I had with an escort in which he constantly argued with me about his political beliefs (even when the subject had nothing to do with politics). I asked him, politely and with courtesy, to try and not get so heated and he said I was "provoking" him. What I was asking about was respect. I was giving it to him and he wasn't giving it to me. The same could happen from the escort's position. An client could act in a way that makes the escort feel devalued or like a "slave." Is this right or fair?

 

It's worth discussing.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

I think I'm in love

 

Just wait until you spend an overnight with me.

[Guest countryboywny]

I think Tristan is trying to do too much. I think he gets worn down, gets cranky, and forgets his manners. He's trying to run a business, escort, body-build and on and on. It's almost like he feels his clock is ticking and wants to make as much money as possible while he can. The stress of traveling alone is enough to put someone over the edge these days. I've said before, I had a limited contact with Tristan once upon a time and he seemed genuinely concerned about his clients and was a truly nice guy. I think that nice guy is still in there somewhere.. but these antics he's been pulling lately suggest that he's overworking himself.

[+ Gar1eth]

And held. And caressed. And massaged. And listened to. And comforted. And titillated. And bathed. And the list goes on.

 

I think I'm in love too. I'm seeing me and Operalover in a duel at 20 paces--carrying those guns that when the trigger is pulled-a flag comes out with the words "Bang" on it--all very civilized you know.

 

But I'm really responding to why an overnight. I do overnights because I'm kind of a solitary man--personality and circumstance have pretty much formed a perfect circumstance where I am all alone. And now that I'm not working, I spend 95% of my time alone without any real interactions other than with waitresses at a restaurant or a check out person at a grocery store. So when I hire--and when I'm able I like overnights--we will have done something--maybe a movie, seen a play, eaten dinner, talked a but, and then sex. Well the whole bundle of activities is so outside my normal ken--that if they were to leave after the sex--I'd just get lonelier. Now I have a tendency to be a night owl--sometimes a real night owl--so usually the escort is not that in the mood to cuddle for a long time after --but often they are willing too in the morning.

 

 

SO to SUM it up in a nutshell, I've spent way over the majority of my life going to bed alone and waking up alone--it's not such a great feeling that I don't take every reasonable opportunity to feel less lonely.

 

Gman

[Newly]

I'm willing to bet that anyone who thinks cuddling with Chris is not a big thing has never tried it. Sorry to be such a huge fan, but cuddling with Chris probably beats sex with just about anyone.

[+ Topseed]

I can identify with operalover. Political discussions can be minefields. And to my thinking Tristan's "slave" comment was ill-advised.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

I think Tristan is trying to do too much. I think he gets worn down, gets cranky, and forgets his manners. He's trying to run a business, escort, body-build and on and on. It's almost like he feels his clock is ticking and wants to make as much money as possible while he can. The stress of traveling alone is enough to put someone over the edge these days. I've said before, I had a limited contact with Tristan once upon a time and he seemed genuinely concerned about his clients and was a truly nice guy. I think that nice guy is still in there somewhere.. but these antics he's been pulling lately suggest that he's overworking himself.

 

Only Tristan can answer questions like this. I hope PS is a good time for him, me and the host of other people who have spent a lot of time and money to be there. I'm excited to meet Tristan.

[CowboyUp]

I had an appointment with Tristan scheduled for the end of January in Dallas. Alas, TB cancelled a couple of days before the session. After reading this latest review and Tristan's off-putting "slave" response, I'm glad he cancelled his trip to Texas. Looks like he saved me from wasting some hard-earned $$$.