I will probably regret this

[Bart]

Hi all I am going to weigh in on this because today's review of Tristan Baldwin could have been me almost to the T. I have been there done that. I have met Tristan for two hours and had a good solid time. But the client description is exactly what I feared an overnight with him would be. Why would anyone book an appt with a gentleman if he knew ahead of time the gentleman would be conducting business on the phone even during a meal together, discounted rate or not. I think it was great Tristan felt compelled to bust his ass to get there but to assume it would give him the latitude to treat the client any less than a "regular fee" client I don't think any of us would sign up for that. That is why I don't negotiate rates, even at gentleman's request. Because this is the attitude you get that they feel they are giving away the goods at a discounted price.

I struggle to find what is so controlling to ask the gentleman to defer his business to later when the client would not be around, exactly as I handle my apps as I don't stay overnight either. Requesting a pair of nice slacks and shirt, wow how demeaning that must be. But to relate these minor and good taste requests as akin to slavery that is a bit much. Slaves don't get paid. I am not sure why a client would have to communicate to a gentleman ahead of time to defer your cell phone calls and texts.

EOY carries a lot of responsibility with all the new fame and fortune, but I found Tristan's degrading to clients who try to promote a union of sorts. He basically has stated this is all business and nothing more.

I think Tristan's sweet spot are those one-two hour appts, commitments beyond that just don't seem to fit for him. I appreciate the clients review today, I will readily admit I had a slight inkling to pursue something with him when we met earlier this year, but I had been fortunate to meet another couple of gentlemen who far more fits me and I really know I have made the right choice and saved me heartache.

[excelntsvc]

I could not agree more

Seems the client stated his expectations up front

Why do people (and not just escorts) feel they must be on their damned phones 24/7

When youve got a job to do, put the damned phoneaway

[+ overeasy]

In his response, Tristan spells out a circumstance where he thought he was doing a good deed. However, he never says anywhere that he alerted the client that, because be was getting the "economy" pricing, the first-class service would also be missing. I'm surprised that Tristan would allow himself the latitude to not put forward his best attention in every encounter. It does seem, from this review and other threads here, that Tristan has gotten to where he wants to control the encounter rather than meet the requests of the client. Just an observation from the sidelines. I have no dog in this hunt as I have never met or talked with Tristan.

[Guest boiworship08]

That's why I don't like overnights.

[mmk123]

Unless I am having 8 to 12 hours of straight sex, I am not paying someone to actually lay down and sleep next to me. I realize that everyone hires for a different reason but I guess when I hire it is for fantasy fulfillment and going to a show, dinner and then sleeping is not very fulfilling to me (especially when I am paying for it).

[jimboivyo]

there are escorts out there who make extended meetingsgreat. baldwin is just not one of them

 

again this guy appears unable to just apologize and move on for his bad behavior-business practice. he gives any and every excuse to lessen his responsilibilty. his temper shows. it's unattractive.

 

eoy or not, I see the title as fluke based on how he's acted since

[Guest verymarried]

I felt pain for the client. The way Tristan ended the session amounted to the sort of rejection which many of us who hire, wish most to avoid. It was also a good lesson for clients. Tristan felt taken advantage of regarding his fee, even though he agreed to the terms. In my work, I have never really enjoyed a business deal where one party receives an obvious advantage. This review has better shown me that if I believe that an escort is underpaid for services, I should tend to correct that in some way.

[+ sf westcoaster]

This is not the first review or thread in which Tristan's failure to meet performance expectations has been discussed. Based on this trend of negative reviews and comments I think it is time for Tristan to step back and take a look at what the client populatiuon wants and expects. He if can not deliver then it is time for him to turn his attention to other endeavors and leave escorting to others.

[wayout]

I felt pain for the client. The way Tristan ended the session amounted to the sort of rejection which many of us who hire, wish most to avoid. It was also a good lesson for clients. Tristan felt taken advantage of regarding his fee, even though he agreed to the terms. In my work, I have never really enjoyed a business deal where one party receives an obvious advantage. This review has better shown me that if I believe that an escort is underpaid for services, I should tend to correct that in some way.

 

Well said. It seems as the "confrontation" could have been handled better, perhaps by both but certainly by the escort.

 

I was unclear about part of the response where he said "This client and I were supposed to meet in October, but an ice storm in Connecticut canceled the flights into the clients home area. These were flights that I paid for out of pocket and was due to be reimbursed by the client." Is he stating that the client should have but didn't pay for the flight that got canceled? Wouldn't a canceled flight be reimbursed (or at least credited) by the airline if was due to weather and a delay wouldn't be acceptable to the passenger? I am struggling a bit to understand what his point was to bring this up.

[JT Brooklyn]

That's why I don't like overnights.

 

I realized Paying someone to "sleep" year's ago is really a waste of $$ at least to me. 2/4 Hour "Sessions" makes much more sense...

 

The 2nd thing I find a waste of $$ is Paying someone to be a "Chatty Cathy" on My Dime.. no matter how Purdy they may be!

 

BUT Bottom Line..Daddys Delegates donot make up the whole of any "Working Guys Income" 10% at best! So what is said here basically stays here!

[+ Axiom2001]

This is not the first review or thread in which Tristan's failure to meet performance expectations has been discussed. Based on this trend of negative reviews and comments I think it is time for Tristan to step back and take a look at what the client populatiuon wants and expects. He if can not deliver then it is time for him to turn his attention to other endeavors and leave escorting to others.

 

I read the review; I read Tristan's side of the story, and I read the posts up to this point. but as I continued to read what you men wrote--

it dawned on me that I have glanced at negative threads about Tristan previously. Whom should I believe? - -

 

Thanks, sfwestcoaster--

[Epigonos]

The only thing I would like to caution posters on this topic is the following. We have spent years, and I literally mean years, going through major cat fights every time the name Benjamin Nicholas is mentioned on this site. Whenever his name appears his devoted defenders and his devoted detractors immediately rush out of the woodwork and we are off and running. Please let’s not go down this same path regarding Tristan Baldwin. Everyone is certainly entitled to his opinion regarding Mr. Baldwin but let’s realize that opinions differ and leave it at that.

[jimboivyo]

The only thing I would like to caution posters on this topic is the following. We have spent years, and I literally mean years, going through major cat fights every time the name Benjamin Nicholas is mentioned on this site. Whenever his name appears his devoted defenders and his devoted detractors immediately rush out of the woodwork and we are off and running. Please let’s not go down this same path regarding Tristan Baldwin. Everyone is certainly entitled to his opinion regarding Mr. Baldwin but let’s realize that opinions differ and leave it at that.

 

understand your point but in regards to Benjamin, he doesn't have a history of bad reviews or mistreating clients. quite the opposite

 

what folks are angry about with baldwin is warranted. theres an obvious pattern of bad behaviour here

[Xander]

On an aside -- Some escorts are better suited for short time-frames, some are better for long time-frames. I'm going to be leaving biz this summer for internship/work stuff, but when I return I'm thinking about doing overnights/weekends/travel only. What do you guys think?

[Tim FTL]

Hi all I am going to weigh in on this because today's review of Tristan Baldwin could have been me almost to the T. I have been there done that. I have met Tristan for two hours and had a good solid time. But the client description is exactly what I feared an overnight with him would be. Why would anyone book an appt with a gentleman if he knew ahead of time the gentleman would be conducting business on the phone even during a meal together, discounted rate or not. I think it was great Tristan felt compelled to bust his ass to get there but to assume it would give him the latitude to treat the client any less than a "regular fee" client I don't think any of us would sign up for that. That is why I don't negotiate rates, even at gentleman's request. Because this is the attitude you get that they feel they are giving away the goods at a discounted price.

I struggle to find what is so controlling to ask the gentleman to defer his business to later when the client would not be around, exactly as I handle my apps as I don't stay overnight either. Requesting a pair of nice slacks and shirt, wow how demeaning that must be. But to relate these minor and good taste requests as akin to slavery that is a bit much. Slaves don't get paid. I am not sure why a client would have to communicate to a gentleman ahead of time to defer your cell phone calls and texts.

EOY carries a lot of responsibility with all the new fame and fortune, but I found Tristan's degrading to clients who try to promote a union of sorts. He basically has stated this is all business and nothing more.

I think Tristan's sweet spot are those one-two hour appts, commitments beyond that just don't seem to fit for him. I appreciate the clients review today, I will readily admit I had a slight inkling to pursue something with him when we met earlier this year, but I had been fortunate to meet another couple of gentlemen who far more fits me and I really know I have made the right choice and saved me heartache.

 

 

I agree, but as an escort sometimes it's hard not to be on the phone. You get addicted. The client is right though.

[Lewis H]

I agree, but as an escort sometimes it's hard not to be on the phone. You get addicted. The client is right though.

 

Not just escorts, it seems people nowadays feel it's fine to check your phone regardless of the company. It's almost like meeting someone else at a restaurant while you're having a meal with someone, and leaving your dinner companion to go have a chat with other person. It's a modern day etiquette issue.

[Bart]

I dont think this is a personal vendetta against Tristan Baldwin. But it is educational for all of us to look at what may or may not have gone right with this review and response.

The client patiently waited for Tristan to respond to him. This happened last year and I have been there when you do try to correct an error but in this case it would appear Tristan is not chosing the best path is he.

If I am stating something incorrect, please point it out.

1. Client had a great time and already gave Tristan a positive review from first experience although shorter.

2. Client never suggested in his review that Tristan did not try to make up for a previous weather related cancellation. Tristan never said he was not reimbursed for the travel but brought it up anyway. Sounds like client made good on that. Possibly that was the only reason he was doing this outing so he would not be out money the airline should have rebooked for him.

3. Tristan states he gave a discounted price and busted his ass to get there, late, but go there. Because of that he has the right to conduct business on the phone through out the time with the client even at meal time which is not only disruptive to the client but the other patrons of the restaurant. Gee thats a great deal for the client. I guess this must have been in the small print of the contract.

4. Tristan states he feels like he is being treated like a slave and he should never have booked the client if he knew he would be so controlling because he was asked to turn his phone off while eating and was asked to where shirt and slacks. That is definitely the definition of Slavery in my book. He was paid.

5. Tristan when asked to defer his calls until after client leaves abruptly tells person on the phone that this meeting has just gone south and he is leaving. Then tells the client he is terminating this appointment due to his controlling demands. No apology given.

Tristan's own words and no disagreement with clients version just an explanation on his part.

This is not a Benjamin Nicholas situation because he would never have done any of this.

Sorry but we have to discuss this response because it is not what any client expects or what most gentlemen would do.

I dont expect gentlemen to come out here and trash Tristan on his comments but I have heard from some already this morning and they are appalled by his response.

[zach_wilson]

The cellphone seams to be such a painful little device at times. I personally think that no matter what amount of time you are with the person you are seeing you should try not to be on it as much as possible, as well as no matter what rates are being charged. This is just out of pure respect for one another as people. The easy thing to do if on a longer trip is try to only maybe check it once in a blue moon maybe when you go to the restroom or something this way it is within reason. I personally love overnights as a way to get to know someone...kind of hard to do when on the phone the whole time.

 

Xander, I love the idea of only doing extended stay. However some people dont have time to always do that, so the only thing in that is you may lose a possible extended stay if you cant do a two hour or something. Because that could be a gateway to someone bringing you on a trip.

[EZEtoGRU]

I was unclear about part of the response where he said "This client and I were supposed to meet in October, but an ice storm in Connecticut canceled the flights into the clients home area. These were flights that I paid for out of pocket and was due to be reimbursed by the client." Is he stating that the client should have but didn't pay for the flight that got canceled? Wouldn't a canceled flight be reimbursed (or at least credited) by the airline if was due to weather and a delay wouldn't be acceptable to the passenger? I am struggling a bit to understand what his point was to bring this up.

 

I totally agree with this comment. If the airline cancelled the flight due to an ice storm (which certainly could happen), the airline would reimburse the cost of the ticket......or at a minimum credit the amount towards travel on future flights. That being the case, I don't know why Tristan raised this or why it is relevant to the current review. Tristan's response raises more doubts about him than it resolves.

[Epigonos]

Jimboivyo I understand your point, however, all I’m suggesting is that unhappy clients write a review. The escort is then informed and allowed to write a rebuttal. At that point the rest of us have the opportunity to read the review and the rebuttal and come to our own conclusion. What we don’t need to do, as has been done for years with Nicholas, and appears to be starting to happen with Tristan Baldwin, is for a gang of defenders and detractors to get all hot and bother and rush in with their comments ad infinitum nauseaum. Thus following my own suggestion I'm out of here.

[operalover21]

I think if you start a thread with the title "I think I'm going to regret this ..." then it's probably best to stop typing and hit the delete button before you send it out.

[instudiocity]

Hi all I am going to weigh in on this because today's review of Tristan Baldwin could have been me almost to the T. I have been there done that.

Bart, you should have no regrets about starting this thread.

 

...but when I return I'm thinking about doing overnights/weekends/travel only. What do you guys think?

Xander, you should do what you enjoy doing. One overnight could pay the equivalent of a whole day of one-hour appointments. So IF you can generate those bookings and they generate the income you need, go for it! But Zack Wilson has a point.

 

This is not the first review or thread in which Tristan's failure to meet performance expectations has been discussed.

Having read the review and Tristan's response, I'm a bit incredulous at his response.

 

1. Who can drive from 3:30 AM to 9:00 AM, a period of 5-1/2 hours plus the return trip on $50 in gasoline? Huh? Tristan says he left at 3:30 AM and the client says he arrived at 9 AM. In my 30 MPG auto, that's a whole tank of gas each way!

 

2. How is the client responsible for the escort's travel decisions beginning at trip at 3:30 AM? Isn't it the escort's responsibility to arrive ready - no matter his travel circumstance? Methinks, Tristan was up for collecting, not up for escorting.

 

3. What escort books flights without getting travel payment advanced? Why? And what airline doesn't allow re-bookings when the flight gets cancelled? And why would an escort who has advanced his travel expenses, WAIT to collect his reimbursement at the next appointment.

 

4. How can the writer of Tristan's last paragraph get accolades as an intelligent conversationalist? By his photos, he's certainly BEEFCAKE, but that response???

[operalover21]

I could not agree more

Seems the client stated his expectations up front

Why do people (and not just escorts) feel they must be on their damned phones 24/7

When youve got a job to do, put the damned phoneaway

 

According the client, right? We have no idea what transpired between the two parties, do we?

[operalover21]

On an aside -- Some escorts are better suited for short time-frames, some are better for long time-frames. I'm going to be leaving biz this summer for internship/work stuff, but when I return I'm thinking about doing overnights/weekends/travel only. What do you guys think?

 

You're exactly right. I have hired guys for a couple hours and it was great ... and then I've had them for the weekend and it was not great, to say the least. Some guys really can't sustain a level of interest with one person for more than a few hours.

 

Too bad there isn't a blood test one can administer to find out who those guys are?

[operalover21]

The line in the review which almost made me not go any further was along the lines of "On a side note, Tristan made to me an unethical proposal which I declined."

 

This is a very common tactic in debate and argument. Say something really shady-sounding, load it up with completely vague or non-existent details, and then leave it at that. The point of this tactic is to try and immediately get you on their side before they tell you a word about what the real crux of their issue is. Many people, even subconsciously, fall for it. It sticks in your mind. It's highly prejudicial and unfair, as a defense attorney would say.

 

It made me, at least question if not doubt, most of the rest of the review.