Different Strokes?

[Will]

It's been a long time since I last posted. Partly that's because I've been too busy even for HooBoy-time, and partly because I haven't seen any threads that I thought I could contribute to. But I miss you guys, and so I thought I'd start a new thread with a topic that's of interest to me. I hope it will be interesting to some of you.

 

The escorts I know make very different kinds of spaces in their lives for their services. One of my favorite escorts has no other livelihood, but another is seriously committed to his profession and escorts only from time to time and for a limited clientele. For the most part, however, it's my impression that escorts who also have steady jobs aren't much interested in those jobs, unless they're directly related to men's bodies. Some, for instance, got into escorting through massage, personal training, or aerobics instruction. But most of the escorts I've met seem to find the interest and excitement in escorting that is missing from their daily-bread work.

 

I've also noticed that all of these factors influence an escort's interests and conversation. Consequently, the escort's activities when he's not escorting turn out to be a factor in my deciding what kind of experience I want to have when I hire one.

 

Do other clients feel the same way? Does it matter to you whether your escort has another profession as well? Does it matter to you what his job is? Do you notice any differences among escorts, depending on what you might call their outside interests?

[Guest Merlin]

None of that make much difference to me although, of course, I may be interested in his other employment. Porn stars for instance are interesting because of the experience, knowledge of others etc. Some I would probably find more attractive if they had certain other employment, such as a current policeman, current college or professional athlete or current military. Other than that, I find that the ones who are escorting for a living, rather than just to get some extra money, are more dependable and more likely to respond to a call.

[+ Lucky]

"I haven't seen any threads that I thought I could contribute to."

 

Will, being busy is fair enough, but this comment irks me. You haven't been so busy as not to notice what the kids in the sandlot are doing, but you just couldn't get down in the dirt with them?

 

What have we been posting that is so trite that you couldn't contribute to it? And do you think that a thread about what we think of escort's other jobs rises above any other thread here that wasn't worth contributing to?

[Barry]

>What have we been posting that is so trite that you couldn't

>contribute to it? And do you think that a thread about what we

>think of escort's other jobs rises above any other thread here

>that wasn't worth contributing to?

 

Lucky,

 

Will didn't say anything about threads that weren't "worth" contributing to....he said there weren't any he thought he could contribute to. There's a clear difference. I have felt the same way. I used to post more often but lately I haven't seen all that much that I feel I could make a contribution to. Often someone else has expressed my feelings far more eloquently than I could or I just don't want to be redundant.

 

Barry :-)

[sdg]

you know Will you were one of the people here that use to evoke a post from me and i agree the posts here now don't seem to evoke much of a response from me either so i don't bother responding most times. doesn't mean that they are worthwhile to others. glad you are back Will and hope your posts continue.

[jackhammer91406]

Will,

First, welcome back. I was really hoping to meet you when I was in NYC. Hoping that you would make it into town. We have a mutual friend who posts here who had said what a great guy you are and that our interests are very similar, so was hoping to get more acquainted with you.

As to your questions in this thread, my experience is somewhat limited both in numbers and repeats (only one repeat) but part of each encounter I have had has included the pleasureable aspect of getting to know each guy and how his life works and how the escorting aspect of his life works in regards to the rest of his life (Geesh, that sentence is aweful, sorry) While I haven't noticed any commonalities yet (a lack of experience probably) each one's take on escorting has provided for interesting insight. I guess I haven't added much to this discussion, but wanted to reply anyway. Sorry

[Rick Munroe]

>Will didn't say anything about threads that weren't "worth"

>contributing to....he said there weren't any he thought he

>could contribute to. There's a clear difference. I have felt

>the same way.

 

Me, too. Most of the time I have to force myself to look through threads to find a place to toss in a punchline but it's getting harder & harder.

[Guest Bitchboy]

It's getting tough, I agree. In fact, the cynic in me feels some of the threads are designed to start a fight rather than answer a question. The relish with which posters pounce on one another can by dizzying. But I guess that's par for the course.

[chrismac]

Maybe all this malaise is a result of my not posting lately.

 

Just a theory. :+

[+ Lucky]

Barry

I wish Will had simply said he was too busy to contribute lately. But he gave a second reason which struck me as condescending. He inferred that he had been following the posts and NONE of them offered him a chance to add anything to the discussion, express a concern, give support or encouragement, add congratulations, share a memory, or give us a smile. What does that say to us?

The world is on the precipice, and a lot of people have very much to say.

[Will]

Thanks, Jack. If our common friend says that we have a lot in common, I'm sure we do. Just WHAT we have in common might be interesting to discover.

 

Like you, for some reason I find escorts in general interesting. Not all escorts, of course, but most. I think it's fascinating that a man who can get paid to get laid would be willing to do it. I just can't imagine being able to get it up and on for anybody who would fork over $250/hr, or whatever, and it is truly interesting to find out why the escorts do it -- what they get out of it, besides the money.

 

As I'm the talkative sort, and like to begin with dinner and end with breakfast, conversation matters a lot to me. So if an escort is really interested in his job, or reads a lot, or has strong political views, he's all the more interesting to me, quite apart from his more overtly erotic qualities.

 

As for Lucky, I'm sorry that my theater-critic-of-choice is irked with me. But if I don't have anything to add to a conversation, I just stay out of it. If that's condescension, well, that's not my understanding of the word. Everybody I know is fed up with winter this year, and it certainly seems that SAD has infected this site as much as any other.

[Will]

>it's getting harder & harder.

 

Rick, I wouldn't have thought it possible, even for you. I am filled with admiration (and envy!).

[+ Lucky]

"Everybody I know is fed up with winter this year, and it certainly seems that SAD has infected this site as much as any other."

 

With me, I will confess that I am very sick of winter, and stressed about Bush, war, New York City and terrorism.

 

The message center has been an outlet for me. It is not my intention to bite anybody.

 

If I could say it a politer fashion, I would try to encourage Will to be more confident that he can contribute here in the fashion I stated above. He is clearly one of the more intelligent posters we have, but new threads alone do not make a message center.

[Rick Munroe]

>Rick, I wouldn't have thought it possible, even for you. I am

>filled with admiration (and envy!).

 

Will, this is a very "Rick Munroe" type of post. No wonder I love it.

[Rick Munroe]

>The world is on the precipice, and a lot of people have very

>much to say.

 

And some people want to stir up some drama & get easily offended.

[Rick Munroe]

>He inferred that he had been following the

>posts and NONE of them offered him a chance to add anything to

>the discussion, express a concern, give support or

>encouragement, add congratulations, share a memory, or give us

>a smile. What does that say to us?

 

That says that he had nothing to say. Period. Why should everyone feel the need to post just for the sake of it? Not everybody is out to break the record for M4M posting.

[Rick Munroe]

>I would try to encourage

>Will to be more confident that he can contribute here

 

I think one thing Will is definitely not lacking is confidence, especially when it comes to the written word. Talk about condescending! :*

[+ Lucky]

Wow! I gave Rick TWO opportunities for one-liners!

[+ Lucky]

"Talk about condescending"

Why not, it's your specialty!

[duke37]

Will,

 

Thats an interesting question. Upon a quick mental review of the guys I have hired (listed in order of mental recollection, not quality):

 

2 strippers

1 model (legitimate)

1 yacht salesman

1 artist

1 paramedic

1 pastry chef

2 unknown or undisclosed

 

I don't think I can differentiate about the quality of the appointment myself based on the occupation of the escort. What I did notice that to the extent the escorts job or life experience was something I understood or could relate to I had a better time talking to them. And since the personal interaction is a lot of what I look for, it may be why I have had a better time with some guys than others.

 

On the other hand maybe I should hook up with some of your hunky personal trainer escorts. grin

 

Jeff

[+ Charlie]

Welcome back, Will; I had just begun to wonder what happened to you.

 

I obviously have a very different psychology from yours: I hire escorts for sex, often accompanied by some sort of fantasy, so I have very little interest in what an escort does outside of our interaction. I never ask him about anything other than the details of our business transaction when I hire him. If we click during the encounter, and we engage in conversation afterwards, then I may inquire about other parts of his life, but only if it is clear that he is interested in talking about that. With very few exceptions, I could not tell you what other occupations most of the guys I have hired engage in, or to what extent. Lately I have hired almost exclusively from this site, and my impression is that most of the guys are escorts by profession, not moonlighting accountants or hairdressers. I have an appointment next week with someone I have already seen several times, someone who is very intelligent and personable, but when I thought about it just now, I realized I have no idea what he does for a living other than drive guys like me wild, and I don't feel inclined to pry.

[Will]

Charlie, yours and Jeff's are just the kinds of responses I was hoping to elicit. It is really interesting to me that two men who think alike on so many levels can have entirely different interests when it comes to sex with men. I'm more like Jeff, although I don't think I'd realized that part of what interests me about escorts is trying to find some common ground on which we can both stand. Whether that's what he intended or not, it helps me to see that wanting to find that ground is a way to level the playing field in my mind, because I guess the idea that I *have* to pay and the escort doesn't *have* to pay puts me at some kind of disadvantage. But, to be more generous to myself, I think it also just helps put me at ease if the escort provides some kind of evidence that will help me think of him as another human being, rather than as a piece of meat. I actually know a superb escort -- a truly refined, sensitive, intelligent, well-educated man -- who *likes* being thought of as a "piece of meat." I guess that's his fantasy, but it's not mine, and I just can't provide it for him.

 

Let's see: a yacht salesman, a pastry chef, and a paramedic. Now there are three great ways to start a sexual fantasy!

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>.... Consequently, the

>escort's activities when he's not escorting turn out to be a

>factor in my deciding what kind of experience I want to have

>when I hire one.

>

>Do other clients feel the same way? Does it matter to you

>whether your escort has another profession as well? Does it

>matter to you what his job is? Do you notice any differences

>among escorts, depending on what you might call their outside

>interests?

>

 

It makes no difference to me whether he has a 'day job' or not. What does matter is his wllingness to reveal himself as a person: his interests, likes and dislikes: music, movies, outdoor interests,..., if has a day job and his satisifaction with it, his long term professional goals, his views on his escorting, community, world perspective, some of his history -- anything that colors this person as an indiviual. I respect his need/desire for discretion and don't push for inappropriate material such as full name, address, etc which are not necessary to flesh out the individual. However, I do seek interaction with a three dimensional person and I have met some very interesting people... they were my better escorts for the most part.

 

I find those unwilling to let their hair down less interesting. Probably says more about me than them.

[btmstudnyc]

Stroke my BILL

 

>Some, for instance, got into escorting through massage, personal >training, or aerobics instruction.

 

Did you have to tell my life story WILL...hahaha

 

I'm going to spin this back on you...I won't HIJACK this thread though.

 

I've always found people that I have something in common interesting. I also have enjoyed listening to people that have jobs that I know nothing about. I love learning why people stick with jobs or are into one that I could never imagine myself doing. (just like you enjoy listening to how escorts do what they do)

 

You get close to someone by listening.

Some get close by touching.

Others get close by chatting about themselves.

Another group get close by smelling.

Yet another group gets close by tasting.

The ones that get close by intuition....are usually the smallest of the group. But has the most profound effects.

 

What's Number one on this list changes from person to person. I learned from that book by TONY ROBBINS (yes I admit it)that you have to build repoire if you want to get along with anyone. That's why I try really hard to find what someones MODEM is. It's easier to communicate once you find that out...and you can get closer and have more fun and both be comfortable. MOST people never even consider what is their number one MODE.

 

Pastry chef- Ill taste him

Paramedic...let him feel me

Yacht salesman...He'd talk me into riding on his BIG BOAT.

Unknown.....YIKES...what is he going to do to me? I think I'm excited

 

WILL there you have it

 

JIM

[chrismac]

RE: Different Strokes

 

I think I'm more like Charlie than Will or Jeff on this subject; in my past escort encounters the subject of occupation rarely surfaces. When it has, it has always been on a second or third encounter with the same escort. I don't count my session with a masseur, whom I knew was engaged full-time in that profession.

 

I have found that more often, an escort would ask me about my profession. Sometimes it seemed like prying in the way the question was posed, other times it seemed like a genuine interest in finding something in common or something different to discuss. In general though, escorts have known more about me through their questions than I about them. They almost always learn my real name (sometimes out of necessity when I've been at a hotel), and if we talk about places I've lived, they often can't resist asking what exactly I was doing there. I couldn't very well tell them I was a spy ;-) so I had to make SOMETHING up :+

 

But on the occasions where I've learned what they do (other than escorting), it's always been the escort who tossed that information into the conversation without prompting from me. So I've been with an electrician (former), and that ubiquitous pastry chef.

 

The others - I have no idea. It would be nice to get to know some of them (the repeats) a little better, but only on a couple of instances have I felt that was mutually desired.

 

Here's a weird little twist: some time ago, I was online hunting for free hookups and contacted one particularly nice-looking but faceless stud whose description fit my fancy. It seemed my profile and pics were to his liking as well, and we exchanged a few messages - moving toward a hookup. At some point, it became evident to both of us simultaneously that I had hired him as an escort in the past - and that ended that exchange. I guess he didn't want to mix business with pleasure