MASSAGE W/RELEASE INCLUDES?

[DavidGartner]

ok im just wondering if i charge 100 for massage with release, now firstly that is a reasonable price? and also does the release just include me jacking them off.. i dont think oral should be involved. and what exactly is done to the masseur.. touching, getting sucked off etc... KEEPING in mind its only 100 not a full escort service. thanks so much xo

[johnnysneakers]

A question I have asked before, as a client! I am just not sure what is involved in such an offering.

[Guest Hole_4_Hire]

Hey guy, can't get your link to work. I get an error message that the name is invalid.

[+ Hoover42]

I'm not a masseur, however, if I were allowed to set the rules, I would suggest that for a $100 massage-and-release visit, the client should expect:

 

1. A decent massage,

2. To touch the masseur's cock/balls/ass during the session,

3. To suck the masseur a little,

4. To be jerked off to orgasm by the masseur.

 

The masseur should not be expected to cum during the session.

[+ Lucky]

I would delete #3 from Hoover's list.

[guyinsf]

I personally think $100 for a massage with a hand job at the end is a little high. I know that in San Francisco I have generally found "erotic massages" that include a good massage, the masseur jerking me off, and me touching his body for $60-$80. I've definitely hired a number of guys for $100-$120 who allow more -- usually not totally "interactive" but definitely allow me to suck their dicks.

 

My comments above refer to hour-long massages.

 

My advice to you is to set a rate you feel comfortable with and then see how the market responds. If you find you're not getting as many clients as you'd like, or your clients do not come back to see you a second time, you could then reevaluate your rate to see if it should be reduced.

[Rod Hagen]

>I personally think $100 for a massage with a hand job at the

>end is a little high.

 

 

Why? A legitimate, or as my masseur friend insists I call it "non-erotic", 55 minute massage costs anywhere from $90-$120 at Spas like The Peninsula, Ojai, and from former Spa workers who have gone private (calmassage etc.). Shouldn't that quality of massage come (so to speak) at a higher premimum if it includes a release, or is the assumption that non-legitimate masseurs aren't as skilled. Do we find that to most often be the case?

 

>I've definitely hired a number of guys for $100-$120

>who allow more -- usually not totally "interactive"

 

Which I believe begs the question, why not pay $50-100 more and get your brains fucked out (or vice versa) plus kissing, body worship, feathers and chains, and whatever else your heart desires? I enjoy giving the massages, I simply want a better understanding ofthe "why"? Thank you. -RH

[ncc1701d]

How does a client determine from the reviews here which escorts provide such massage services if the reviews don't specify?

[phage]

>that quality of massage come (so to speak) at a higher

>premimum if it includes a release, or is the assumption that

>non-legitimate masseurs aren't as skilled. Do we find that to

>most often be the case?

 

That has certainly been my experience. I’ve tried on a few occasions because every time I’m having a good legitimate massage, I think, “Wouldn’t it be great if he would just go all the way?” But it’s never the same. I have yet to find an erotic masseur that is really good at the massage part and am beginning to think they are mutually exclusive.

[Chuck50]

Ask an you might get an answer but as I have heard one of our favorites on here who is himself a Massuer among other things "Be careful what you ask a licesened Massuer as they could loose their license if found out." I will give that credit to our good buddy BILBO. Thanks Hugs. Bottom line don't go into things blindley HUGS Chuck

[Guest Dan]

I've been fortunate enough to have found masseurs that do excellent massages and give a release for in the under $70 range. In fact, the last masseur that i went to totally lost it and gave me #3 on Hoover's list. Unfortunately, i found out from a friend that he doesn't do that for everyone.

 

hmm. "#3 on hoover's list" it sounds like something out of a seinfeld episode!

 

Dan Dare

http://gaydar.co.uk/dandarela

[Rod Hagen]

> But it’s never the same. I have yet to find an

>erotic masseur that is really good at the massage part and am

>beginning to think they are mutually exclusive.

 

Then once again I must ask, why not hire escorts, whom you can use and abuse to your loins' content, for sexual release and masseurs for massages? Why try to combine the two and yet only save like $50-100?

[Huey]

Rod I feel the answer to your question is finances. Not everybody can afford the works at 200. - 250. Also, some might just be satisfied with release and little interaction. I believe you offer a massage with release, what is your fee?

[Huey]

David you bring another cool topic to the boards. I feel that a nice massage/body rub with release and allowing the client to touch and suck for 100. is right on the mark .

 

You probably would get additional business that might otherwise not hire at all or have been hiring other escorts for this service.

[Rod Hagen]

Huey, what I am trying to understand is what motivates those individuals, who have sufficient greenbacks and are comfortable with escorts, to hire erotic masseurs for release instead of just paying a bit extra to fuck butt, cuddle, etc.

[Guest fukamarine]

>Why? A legitimate, or as my masseur friend insists I call

>it "non-erotic", 55 minute massage costs anywhere from

>$90-$120 at Spas like The Peninsula, Ojai

 

Don't forget that these establishments have higher overheads such as commercial scale rents, business licenses, support staff etc. An independent would only have his normal living expenses.

 

>Shouldn't that quality of massage come (so to speak) at a higher

>premimum if it includes a release,

 

Why? If he's rubbing your whole body what's the big deal if he rubs your cock too? I agree that if you want to blow him, that puts it into a whole different catagory, but for a simple hand job, it shouldn't cost any more.

 

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>body worship, feathers and chains, and whatever else your

>heart desires? I enjoy giving the massages, I simply want a

>better understanding ofthe "why"? Thank you. -RH

[Rod Hagen]

>Don't forget that these establishments have higher overheads

>such as commercial scale rents, business licenses, support

>staff etc. An independent would only have his normal living

>expenses.

 

I haven't forgotten, which is why I also mentioned the therapeutic masseurs (most often former Spa employees) I see outside of spas as needed; as I said they average $90-110 as well.

 

>Why? If he's rubbing your whole body what's the big deal if

>he rubs your cock too? I agree that if you want to blow him,

>that puts it into a whole different category, but for a simple

>hand job, it shouldn't cost any more.

 

Deep tissue and/or Sports Massage require extra effort, and are therefore often, but not always, more expensive than standard Swedish rubs. Jacking a guy off is extra work as well (sometimes a lot of extra work). The sexual component puts the masseur in the position of breaking the law and jeopardizing his license; such risks warrant a higher premium as well. That's why, fuck.

 

And now that that's out of the way, can somebody please answer my question, someone who hires both escorts and Masseurs? Thank You. Please remember, this is not a put down, I'm simply trying to understand the motivations of my customers.

[Huey]

I misunderstood your question Rod ... sorry .

[ted]

Quite frankly I am interested in the massage, and the release, if it happens, is a bonus in my book. I have found a few guys who give excellent massages who will also do release, maybe the best of both worlds. I hire escorts too, and I find the massage is more focused on me, whereas the escort session is more about the dynamic between us. Sometimes you want a fuck, sometimes you don't. Also each guy is different in what he will and won't allow, and sometimes the rules loosen on the repeat sessions. And massage rates go as high as the masseur can get and the market will bear. Jake in NYC is usually fully booked 2 weeks in advance and his rate is quite high, nearly in the escort range, although you do get 90 minutes instead of an hour for the top rate.

[guyinsf]

Rod:

 

To answer your question crudely --

 

Sometimes I want to go out to an expensive restaurant and have a four course meal. At other times a burrito from a local taqueria is just what I want (and can afford). (This isn't a put-down of burritos; I love them!)

 

I generally only hire one escort. Every now and again I'll hire a guy for an "erotic massage," with varying results. Sometimes the guy really seems to have no massage training and is charging for his good looks and the "lite sex" he is providing. A couple of times I have been impressed at the masseur's professional skills, but this is the exception when hiring an independent advertising in the local gay paper (or online) who stresses the "sensual" or "erotic" nature of his work.

 

My question to you, Rod, is why you seem to have a problem with clients not hiring a full-fee escort every time they hire someone?

 

I also question the accuracy of the perception that one necessarily gets more by hiring an escort at $200 per hour. I've hired more than a couple of "duds" when hiring an expensive escort and have found a few really hot and fun guys who charge $100-$150.

[Bilbo]

Thanks, Chuck. I'm flattered by your mention.

 

When you are asking the erotic masseur questions, what's wrong with asking him what his massage training is? If he is reluctant to answer, gives you the run around, etc., I would think that either he is a more legitimate masseur moonlighting, or an untrained masseur, who could have natural talent, yeah, but ... I wouldn't chance it when my back hurts and that's an equal part of why I'm hiring him. On the other hand, if he is from a massage school which agrees with us that "donut" massages where they leave out the part in the middle are not what the ancients had in mind, such as the Body Electric school, grab him quick and pay him extra, you're gonna get both your back and your nuts satisfied. (Even then, you may not get to cum, but it will be one of the most erotic experiences of your life anyway.)

 

Prices are, of course, regional. I pay my main masseur, who doesn't even do my chest and tummy, and whom I can't touch at all in his fully dressed state, $60 for an hour and $85 for an hour and a half. But his touch is soo deep - just what my body often needs.

 

And, for Heaven's sake, when you are talking to a masseur, don't in any way refer to your organ as a muscle. They find that demeaning, fraustrating, enfuriating .. well, you get my drift.

[Rod Hagen]

>My question to you, Rod, is why you seem to have a problem

>with clients not hiring a full-fee escort every time they hire

>someone?

 

I don't have a any problem at all with it. As I said I'm just trying to understand why clients choose one form of limited release over another more interactive one.

 

>expensive escort and have found a few really hot and fun guys

>who charge $100-$150.

 

Right, which is why I said quality fully interactive escorts can be had for as little as $50 more than an erotic masseur.

[phage]

I understand your question and I guess I fit this category. For me, it has nothing to do with the money. Whether it’s an escort or a massage, a couple of times a month isn’t going to bust the budget.

 

It’s more along the lines of what Ted says. I am primarily interested in the massage and not looking for anything particularly intimate or athletic. I just want to relax and get serviced. I guess I could do that with an escort, but it would feel rude.

[Rick Munroe]

>I just want to relax and

>get serviced.

 

My kind of man. :9

[jackhammer91406]

David,

I don't know the skill level you are talking about. My opinion is set your price and your limits yourself. The market will let you know fairly quickly whether your service is well priced and fair. (repeat calls will be a good indication) As you know this area ( I think you are in L.A. right? or no?) is flooded with guys. The ones who provide a good service get good word of mouth and thrive. The rest live on one timers who leave disappointed and never call again.

One aside that I would like to mention: In reading your various threads and posts today, probably the most frustrating thing for me has been to click on your hyperlink to your site and find an error page that indicates "bad user name" Re check your signature in your profiles and see if you have typed it correctly, or else explain to me what I am doing wrong that I can't access it.

Good luck. Looking forward to hearing how it goes for you as I use masseurs quite a bit in L.A.