Escorts that sleep

[MscleLovr]

I'm glad you're having a good time, OceanTraveller, but I cannot agree that you were "at fault for not waking him up".

 

If I had faced your situation, i would have been much less tolerant: i would have put him into a cab as soon as he was awake again. You must not blame yourself for the bad start to your multiday hiring. I sincerely hope you were able to negotiate a reduction in the fee to compensate for this distressing time.

[jgoo]

I'm glad you're having a good time, OceanTraveller, but I cannot agree that you were "at fault for not waking him up"..

 

ditto....Why should you be his alarm clock when he shouldn't have crashed on you upon arrival and ruined your dinner plans? Do not let him make you feel in any way that you have any fault in this situation.

[Steven_Draker]

If I had faced your situation, i would have been much less tolerant: i would have put him into a cab as soon as he was awake again. You must not blame yourself for the bad start to your multiday hiring. I sincerely hope you were able to negotiate a reduction in the fee to compensate for this distressing time.

 

I'm glad that the vast majority of clients are not like this poster. It's Ocean's time and Ocean's dime. He decides what to do with it.

 

In addition if the escort is a class act he'll offer some kind of compensation without the client having to ask for.

 

Happy Christmas.

[MscleLovr]

I'm glad that the vast majority of clients are not like this poster. It's Ocean's time and Ocean's dime. He decides what to do with it.

 

In addition if the escort is a class act he'll offer some kind of compensation without the client having to ask for.

 

Happy Christmas.[/color]

 

Careful, Steven, your well-crafted and self-promoting facade is cracking. Newer posters around here may not remember how you were previously banned for your mean comments to clients and about other escorts.

 

I do not believe that the escort in question can be described as a "class act". His behaviour was simply wrong. And I do not want OceanTraveller to be persuaded that he is somehow "at fault".

[OceanTraveller]

I will be taking him back soon . He bought my meal a couple of times to make up for it . He slept and missed his gym one day and had to go while I was having a cocktail at the hotel ..he said that he would set his alarm since I did not wake him up . So I am learning how to be with him ..all in all I think he meant well.

[jjkrkwood]

I will be taking him back soon . He bought my meal a couple of times to make up for it . He slept and missed his gym one day and had to go while I was having a cocktail at the hotel ..he said that he would set his alarm since I did not wake him up . So I am learning how to be with him ..all in all I think he meant well.

 

I had to chuckle at the OP comment "ill be taking him back soon". Sounded like a purchase made at a dept store that was unsatisfactory and will be returned.

[MscleLovr]

I am glad that you are managing to enjoy your time with this man, OceanTraveller. I feel that you must have a very generous nature to be so forgiving. I wish you a very happy experience for the balance of your time together.

 

I would suggest tho that when you are paying so heavily for the pleasure of this man's company, you should not have to learn "how to be with him". He should be accommodating your wishes and desires; he is after all a paid companion.

 

May I ask you to name the escort here, as a service to other clients who need to be aware of his potential for bad behaviour.

[adriano46]

For some reason I do not think the powers that be here would let the guy be "named" without doing it in a review.

 

That aside, I do agree with the first two paragraphs of what MscleLovr wrote -- paing for an escort for an extended period of time is a business contract, where I pay a fee and he provides the care or service I contracted (I know, this sounds insensitive...) Anyway, as Raul M wrote in another thread, if I am not istaken, a top tier escort would be working to make sure it was "ALL ABOUT THE CLIENT" from the moment the date began. It does not need to be where he is a personal slave (unless there is a fetish scene involved), but he should keep the client's needs and desires uppermost in his mind. Sure, there can be time outs, time off, free time, but the solicitous escort is the one who is more concerned about the client's needs.

[BSR]

I think the thread sparked so much response because even the most occasional of hirers have been burned by an escort, or a con artist posing as one. While the circumstances of the deception might be drastically different, the anger/hurt/betrayal/etc. a client feels are very similar. Frankly, I'm rather curious what excuse the escort gave for showing up in such a state of exhaustion such that OT was so forgiving. But as others stated, it's OT's time and hard-earned money, so if he's satisfied, then all's well. Besides, I'm too nosey for my own good.

 

But what I do hope OT shares with the board is what agency he used and if he's OK with their customer service. If an agency's escort hadn't slept for days, then I expect the agency to advise me of the situation as soon as they know about it. A multi-day hire is a big financial commitment, with corresponding hopes and anticipation. Obviously the agency knew their man was wrecked yet didn't bother informing the client until the client called them. This is unacceptable and unprofessional, in my opinion. I wish OT would share with us which agency he used so I could avoid it it in the future, unless there are details that excuse or extenuate the agency's failure to communicate.

[seeker630]

...But what I do hope OT shares with the board is what agency he used and if he's OK with their customer service. If an agency's escort hadn't slept for days, then I expect the agency to advise me of the situation as soon as they know about it. A multi-day hire is a big financial commitment, with corresponding hopes and anticipation. Obviously the agency knew their man was wrecked yet didn't bother informing the client until the client called them. This is unacceptable and unprofessional, in my opinion. I wish OT would share with us which agency he used so I could avoid it it in the future, unless there are details that excuse or extenuate the agency's failure to communicate.

 

BSR, how do you know the agency was aware of the escort's 'condition' (which is still somewhat vague)? I've re-read OceanTraveller's post here and I don't see anything that implies that.

[BSR]

This is through an agency and I did email his agent .I will let him sleep for now and the dinner that I got up at 7:00am to make is almost ready so I will just eat alone and put it away . I will see his agent .This guy has not had any sleep for days according to him .

Maybe this is a case of an indefinite pronoun, but I assumed that according to "him" referred to the agent, not the escort. In other words, while the escort was sleeping, OT got an email response back from the agent that "This guy has not had any sleep for days ... " But re-reading it, I could see how perhaps the escort mentioned before crashing that he had not had any sleep for days.

 

Whatever the case, I would like to hear OT's feedback regarding the agency and how they handled their responsibilities in this situation. Positive or negative, it might affect my decision on whether or not to go through that particular agency.

[seeker630]

Maybe this is a case of an indefinite pronoun, but I assumed that according to "him" referred to the agent, not the escort. In other words, while the escort was sleeping, OT got an email response back from the agent that "This guy has not had any sleep for days ... " But re-reading it, I could see how perhaps the escort mentioned before crashing that he had not had any sleep for days.

 

Whatever the case, I would like to hear OT's feedback regarding the agency and how they handled their responsibilities in this situation. Positive or negative, it might affect my decision on whether or not to go through that particular agency.

 

BSR, thanks for responding. I see now how we read the sentence differently, and it would be helpful if OceanTraveller clarified. And I agree that it would be useful to know how the agency handled the situation.

 

 

It just seems that, in the interval between the OP's posts, lots of assumptions were made when very few facts were known. I am NOT saying the escort was blameless, but I don't think we know the situation in full (and I'm not trying to imply that OceanTraveller did anything wrong either.) I also know that not all us of have the same views on the client-escort relationship, and some are more flexible than others.

[OceanTraveller]

It was the escort that told me on the way home that he was worn out and had been up all night . He nodded off in my vehicle . I stopped to get him something to eat as it is an hour drive to my house . We came home at around 3:30 and he went to bed . He woke up again at around 8:30 and I showed him where the food was . He said that he felt like a jerk and would make it up to me . He did buy me 2 or 3 meals . The agency did not know that he was exhausted and the escort said that he would get "raked over the coals". The escort and I had a good time on our 4 days awayand I would not hesitate to hire from the agency again if they had a guy that I liked . Like most guys on here I have been burned before by escortsbut his was not that bad and just a minor glich in the scheme of life . I like the fact that this escort is comfortable here with me and knows his way around my house and would consider hiring him again at this point . Thank you all for your posts and concern again and I am sorry for any confusion that this caused . This message board is a good venue for support . Thank you Rockin Dave for the conversation when I was holed up in my laundry room . It was my escort that called me when I had to hang up .

[jjkrkwood]

And There Lies the End of the Story. To each their own I suppose.

[Phil_musc]

Cynic that I sometimes am, I would like to believe the best about people; and I think I understand OT's position. It also seems like even though the escort wasn't setting himself up for a successful initial time period with his client, he did take some ownership of his actions and made a real effort to salvage what otherwise would have been a disastrous venture. Everyone is entitled to the occasional f-up and I think OT has ultimately behaved with discretion and forbearance. It sounds like he has maybe made a friend in the escort who must be aware of how this potentially could have turned out for him with the agency had OT handled things differently. Ultimately it might work out as a win-win after all, something that didn't seem possible at first.

[jjkrkwood]

Cynic that I sometimes am, I would like to believe the best about people; and I think I understand OT's position. It also seems like even though the escort wasn't setting himself up for a successful initial time period with his client, he did take some ownership of his actions and made a real effort to salvage what otherwise would have been a disastrous venture. Everyone is entitled to the occasional f-up and I think OT has ultimately behaved with discretion and forbearance. It sounds like he has maybe made a friend in the escort who must be aware of how this potentially could have turned out for him with the agency had OT handled things differently. Ultimately it might work out as a win-win after all, something that didn't seem possible at first.

 

I think its called "taking Lemons and making Lemonade" ???

[Steven_Draker]

It was the escort that told me on the way home that he was worn out and had been up all night . He nodded off in my vehicle . I stopped to get him something to eat as it is an hour drive to my house . We came home at around 3:30 and he went to bed . He woke up again at around 8:30 and I showed him where the food was . He said that he felt like a jerk and would make it up to me . He did buy me 2 or 3 meals . The agency did not know that he was exhausted and the escort said that he would get "raked over the coals". The escort and I had a good time on our 4 days awayand I would not hesitate to hire from the agency again if they had a guy that I liked . Like most guys on here I have been burned before by escorts but his was not that bad and just a minor glich in the scheme of life . I like the fact that this escort is comfortable here with me and knows his way around my house and would consider hiring him again at this point .

 

OceanTraveller,

I'm very glad that finally everything turned out favorably, you had a great time and you're considering hiring this escort again in the future.

 

As to posting his name here, it's up to the OP to do that. He wouldn't be in violation of the rules. I understand that he decides not to reveal it here and I respect his choice.

 

As to the gentleman who tried to pick an argument with me:

 

I still think that trying to "negotiate a discount" for an escort you fly from Palm Springs to San Francisco, especially since he (the escort) advanced the funds for the airfare from his own pocket and all arrangements have been made is tacky. Canceling on him on the day of travel is even tackier. You can call me mean, I respect your opinion.

 

And finally, it's no secret that I was banned from this Board in the past. I'm not hiding it and I'm not ashamed of it. I've learned from that experience and I've grown a better person.

 

Happy Christmas.

[MscleLovr]

As to the gentleman who tried to pick an argument with me:

 

I still think that trying to "negotiate a discount" for an escort you fly from Palm Springs to San Francisco, especially since he (the escort) advanced the funds for the airfare from his own pocket and all arrangements have been made is tacky. Canceling on him on the day of travel is even tackier... And finally, it's no secret that I was banned from this Board in the past. I'm not hiding it and I'm not ashamed of it. I've learned from that experience and I've grown a better person.

 

Happy Christmas.[/color]

 

With age, your memory is proving selective, Steven. And though it was many years ago, I see you remain vindictive.

 

1. It is true all arrangements had been made for an overnight date in San Francisco but I did NOT try to get a discount. You asked for EXTRA $ a few days before.

 

2. The reason you gave for asking for more than your then usual fee was that you had gone to Palm Springs for a White Party and felt that I should pay for your airfare to return to San Francisco, even though you were going onto another city from San Francisco the next day anyway.

 

3. After seeking advice from this Forum's members, I declined to pay more than had been agreed and called you several times to say so and cancel. This was days before the date, and I left several voicemail messages as your phone was turned off. Finally, I sent you an email confirming the cancellation the day before.

 

4. I received various PMs here telling me I had been wise to cancel. In the spirit of Xmas, I won't relate what others said. I bear no malice towards you and wish you a Happy Xmas.

[citylaw1]

I have seen him before . The experience was o.k. and I thought another time would break the ice a little more so to speak . He bought me a meal last time which was a first . This is through an agency and I did email his agent .I will let him sleep for now and the dinner that I got up at 7:00am to make is almost ready so I will just eat alone and put it away . I will see his agent .This guy has not had any sleep for days according to him .

 

Call the agency and demand a refund of fee and airfare and move on. This equates with taking a 3 day tour and allowing the guide to take a day off. This is nothing more than a business deal gone wrong. And for the sake of all of us, please post a review of the escort and the agency response. That's what this site is largely about!

[+ azdr0710]

citylaw....did you even read OT's last post that things worked out fairly well for him and he was not terribly upset?....I think OT is OK with the whole result

[Dave]

It was the escort that told me on the way home that he was worn out and had been up all night . He nodded off in my vehicle . I stopped to get him something to eat as it is an hour drive to my house . We came home at around 3:30 and he went to bed . He woke up again at around 8:30 and I showed him where the food was . He said that he felt like a jerk and would make it up to me . He did buy me 2 or 3 meals . The agency did not know that he was exhausted and the escort said that he would get "raked over the coals". The escort and I had a good time on our 4 days awayand I would not hesitate to hire from the agency again if they had a guy that I liked . Like most guys on here I have been burned before by escortsbut his was not that bad and just a minor glich in the scheme of life . I like the fact that this escort is comfortable here with me and knows his way around my house and would consider hiring him again at this point . Thank you all for your posts and concern again and I am sorry for any confusion that this caused . This message board is a good venue for support . Thank you Rockin Dave for the conversation when I was holed up in my laundry room . It was my escort that called me when I had to hang up .

 

you're welcome, OceanTraveller. you were obviously in a bad position when we spoke on the phone, and you seemed pretty stressed out in your emails. i commend you for making this work out in a way that was good for you, and good for him, too. i agree with seeker630 when he wrote "not all us of have the same views on the client-escort relationship, and some are more flexible than others." as in the rest of life, people vary with how they approach challenging situations - some with the goal of finding mutually agreeable solutions through compromise, others letting emotion trump solution. i know this was hard for you to deal with, but you ended up having a good time with him and perhaps you learned something about handling a tough escort situation, or about him in particular, or even about yourself - along the way.

 

i've not met you yet, but if that ever happens, i promise i won't fall asleep on you. in you is another story altogether - it's one of my favorite ways of falling into slumber...

[citylaw1]

citylaw....did you even read OT's last post that things worked out fairly well for him and he was not terribly upset?....I think OT is OK with the whole result

 

I did not, however, my opinion hasn't changed. I would have handled the situation differently from the start.

[jimboivyo]

I did not, however, my opinion hasn't changed. I would have handled the situation differently from the start.

 

and that's why someone like you has more bad experiences in life. If you always jump the gun, you won't ever learn how to work things out.

[citylaw1]

and that's why someone like you has more bad experiences in life. If you always jump the gun, you won't ever learn how to work things out.

 

I have wonderful experiences in life, both in and out of the escort scene. I have a great family, travel constantly, and am rich. How did you determine that I have experienced so many let downs in life, etc.? I have 4 reviews on this site and they are all positive. I simply stated that I would not allow an escort that I hired and flew to me to act this way.

[Steven_Draker]

1. It is true all arrangements had been made for an overnight date in San Francisco but I did NOT try to get a discount. You asked for EXTRA $ a few days before.

 

2. The reason you gave for asking for more than your then usual fee was that you had gone to Palm Springs for a White Party and felt that I should pay for your airfare to return to San Francisco, even though you were going onto another city from San Francisco the next day anyway.

 

3. After seeking advice from this Forum's members, I declined to pay more than had been agreed and called you several times to say so and cancel. This was days before the date, and I left several voicemail messages as your phone was turned off. Finally, I sent you an email confirming the cancellation the day before.

 

4. I received various PMs here telling me I had been wise to cancel. In the spirit of Xmas, I won't relate what others said. I bear no malice towards you and wish you a Happy Xmas.

 

Thank you for your concern, I had a very nice Christmas.

 

In the interest of full disclosure, I did not ask for "EXTRA $" as this poster is trying to accuse me. He may play innocent, but he skillfully "overlooked" the travel expenses that occur when you fly someone to see you. San Francisco is not my home base. It's true that I was flying from Palm Springs to San Francisco to solely see this gentleman for an overnight and flying out the following day. It's a question here ONLY about the first leg of the trip.

 

I received the following email message from MscleLovr prior to the meeting:

"Do you want to reconsider your fee? Or shall we arrange to meet later, when we are both in the same city?"

 

this after I advanced the funds for the airfare from my pocket. If not trying to "get a discount" or "negotiate the rate" it's something that strangely resembles it, as he knew that all travel arrangements were made and he was speaking from a position of power.

 

I landed in Oakland and found out about about the cancellation. I had to get a hotel room and I ended up with quite some expenses on my hands.

 

Later, he promised to reimburse part of my travel expenses(?), however those promises never came to completion. My last two emails from that period went unanswered and no further effort was made to fix the issue.

 

I think I was courteous and respectful without passing any judgement such as someone being "mean", "being banned" or "vindictive". But was this gentleman hoping that I was going to simply forget about the incident?

 

Finally, it's none of my business what others have said about me in your private messages, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but we're all responsible for our own actions.

 

We all make mistakes, it's how we deal with them that sets us apart.

 

If this poster wishes to fix the problem my email address is StevenDraker@yahoo.com