There's a RECESSION ????

[jjkrkwood]

I live in NYC and periodically check the Rentboy offerings in my city. Today was that day. In the past I noticed the prices to average around $250 hr, with a sprinkling of $300's....

 

Today I noticed a common price of $300, with a bunch of $500 hr thrown in. (and not even for well-known, popular or oft reviewed escorts).

 

They say we are entering a recession, and therefore to me, prices SHOULD be dropping as there is less money floating around. However the opposite seems apparent.

 

My question here for the escorts is whether they set prices to target ONLY well-to-do clients ? Is a client who saves or budgets for a session NOT desirable ? (although he is reliable and could become a repeater).

 

My other observation was that many escorts advertise "to have the biggest cock in NYC". They give their measurements, etc, BUT not a single pic of the exceptional equipment. Why would they not show the merchandise, in a pic that already does NOT show face ? I always thought the first rule of marketing was "to show the goods" ?

 

When your claim to fame is reportedly your size, and you make a specific point to mention it, obviously targeting guys that are "Size Queens" (like me), why not show it in your ad (unless of course your claim is FALSE) ???

 

I guess the old adage "BUYER BEWARE" should apply when reviewing ads and considering escorts. If there are doubts in your mind due to inconsistencies with the Ad, MOVE ON ......:confused:

[Decatur Guy]

Technically, we're not in recession. We haven't been for more than two years. (Personally, I think we ought to redefine what a recession is). What we're in is the sorriest excuse for a "recovery" we've ever seen.

 

Anyway, as for prices, I haven't seen any drop in Atlanta prices. There are some guys charging $300 for one hour. Some others are charging $250 an hour. Meanwhile, I've got three GREAT guys charging less than $200 an hour.

 

The $300s will never see my business. The $250s might ... under certain circumstances. The under $200s get repeat business from me.

[jjkrkwood]

Technically, we're not in recession. We haven't been for more than two years. (Personally, I think we ought to redefine what a recession is). What we're in is the sorriest excuse for a "recovery" we've ever seen.

 

Anyway, as for prices, I haven't seen any drop in Atlanta prices. There are some guys charging $300 for one hour. Some others are charging $250 an hour. Meanwhile, I've got three GREAT guys charging less than $200 an hour.

 

The $300s will never see my business. The $250s might ... under certain circumstances. The under $200s get repeat business from me.

 

The VERY few in NYC that are under $200 look like I would need a Penis-cillin shot before hooking up with them. Most of those guys look like low-rent thugs.... but thats NYC...

[Guest Connoisseur]

I think someone can list any rate they want. As we know its the rate they actually get paid that matters.

[Epigonos]

I’m in near agreement with Decatur Guy on this issue. The difference is that I NEVER hire for just one hour. I always hire for lunch or dinner and two hours of play time. For that type of arrangement I expect to pay around $500.00. I have been known, on occasion, to pay $600.00.

 

“Most” of the escorts who really do well in this business, over an extended period of time, tend to charge more for a single hour appointment and discount additional hours. It is highly unlikely that if a guy charges $200.00 an hour he can expect to receive $2,400.00 for twelve hours or $4,800.00 for twenty-four hours. The entire issue comes down to the type of business an escort wants to operate. Does he want to base his business on hourly appointments or on multiple hour appointments? I travel with a couple of escorts whose hourly fee is $250.00 x 24 hours = $6,000.00 x 7 days = $42,000.00. Believe me I do not pay them $42,000.00 for a week’s trip.

 

I would be curious to know what kind of living escorts who advertise $300.00 an hour or more are making in the business. Yes I realize that some top porn stars charge in the $300.00 an hour range but again it would be interesting to know how many multiple hour regular clients they have -- not a lot I would guess.

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

I always thought the first rule of marketing was "to show the goods" ?

 

I thought the rule was leave them wanting more.

[imrthr]

 

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My other observation was that many escorts advertise "to have the biggest cock in NYC". They give their measurements, etc, BUT not a single pic of the exceptional equipment. Why would they not show the merchandise, in a pic that already does NOT show face ? I always thought the first rule of marketing was "to show the goods" ?

 

When your claim to fame is reportedly your size, and you make a specific point to mention it, obviously targeting guys that are "Size Queens" (like me), why not show it in your ad (unless of course your claim is FALSE) ???

 

I guess the old adage "BUYER BEWARE" should apply when reviewing ads and considering escorts. If there are doubts in your mind due to inconsistencies with the Ad, MOVE ON ......:confused:

 

 

If you hire from the internet, you are better off using a site such as this forum. You get a reviewed product.

 

In the past whenever I tried the internet, which was only four times, and not this site, the person who showed up was either not the person in the photos or was at least 10 years older than the photos. With regard to the advertised size, even that was a lie.

 

That is why I travel to Brazil, Spain and Zurich for fun. In those places, what you see is what you get.

 

As you wrote, buyer beware.

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[jjkrkwood]

I thought the rule was leave them wanting more.

 

If I'm left wanting MORE, ill look elsewhere.

[jjkrkwood]

That is why I travel to Brazil, Spain and Zurich for fun. In those places, what you see is what you get.

 

As you wrote, buyer beware.

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Being horny is a time Sensitive thing. When I am horny, I dont have time to call the airline, book a flight, travel at least 6 hrs, check into a hotel, take a shower, and then go to get my rocks off. I want it NOW ! LOLOLOL

[Michael Wayne]

great thread! I saw an ad yesterday from a very hot guy in California who I had not seen before advertising $400 an hour. From my years of experience on the front lines of this industry I can tell you that I do not seriously believe he will get many clients at that rate- even in la or nyc. I may be wrong and guys have the right to charge whatever but, to me, $400 for an hour is excessive and discourages the average to even upper middle class client from calling. I cut my teeth in this biz in Palm Beach where millionaires are the rule and billionaires abound. While I had alot of wealthy clients I can tell you that the REAL business is built on real guys who WORK for a living and who have aq wife and kids. Their budget is limited and my rates have always been appreciated because I try to keep them as low as possible within reason. what made me successful is that with me the client actually gets $200 worth of service and they want to come back for more. As far as dick size: maybe we should get all the nyc escorts together for a meeting, talk shop, and measure cocks THEN the one with the biggest cock could truly advertise it as such! That would be a hot scene. Seriously, with me, I feel as if that if a guy is asking for 300 bucks and claims he has a big schlong I would need to see it especially if no reviews to verify. Not showing the face I can understand but even then how can one claim to be a male model and not show a pretty or handsome face. Just my opinions guys. Have a great weekend, MIKEY @ http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[bcohen7719]

If you hire from the internet, you are better off using a site such as this forum. You get a reviewed product.

 

In the past whenever I tried the internet, which was only four times, and not this site, the person who showed up was either not the person in the photos or was at least 10 years older than the photos. With regard to the advertised size, even that was a lie.

 

That is why I travel to Brazil, Spain and Zurich for fun. In those places, what you see is what you get.

 

As you wrote, buyer beware.

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Imrth/mvan1:

 

Can you recount further your experiences? Do you think that escort advertisers

in the USA might tend to be unserious when they advertise, or are they possibly

borrowing from "teaser" marketing (that is, offering something better than what really exists just to draw in a potential repeat customer)? Your notes are fascinating.

 

BC

[jjkrkwood]

Imrth/mvan1:

 

Can you recount further your experiences? Do you think that escort advertisers

in the USA might tend to be unserious when they advertise, or are they possibly

borrowing from "teaser" marketing (that is, offering something better than what really exists just to draw in a potential repeat customer)? Your notes are fascinating.

 

BC

 

BC, I really dont understand your comment on "teaser advertising" becuase whats the point of drawing in a customer under false pretenses if you cant produce what you promise? do you really think you will keep that customer, or even proceed with the initial session ? Doesnt make any sense to me.

[seeker630]

BC, I really dont understand your comment on "teaser advertising" becuase whats the point of drawing in a customer under false pretenses if you cant produce what you promise? do you really think you will keep that customer, or even proceed with the initial session ? Doesnt make any sense to me.

 

There is ample evidence from posts here & reviews on the review site that clients often go through with sessions or pay even when the guy who shows up doesn't match the advertising. Most of us agree that they shouldn't (and I think you've expressed your opinion on that), but...it happens, and clients make those choices based on their personal circumstances and temperament. And some 'escorts' seem to be able to make a career out of it. They may not knowingly get repeat clients, but in a big enough marketplace, they may get enough one-offs to make it worthwhile. Especially since lots of clients don't use this site or write reviews.

[jjkrkwood]

There is ample evidence from posts here & reviews on the review site that clients often go through with sessions or pay even when the guy who shows up doesn't match the advertising. Most of us agree that they shouldn't (and I think you've expressed your opinion on that), but...it happens, and clients make those choices based on their personal circumstances and temperament. And some 'escorts' seem to be able to make a career out of it. They may not knowingly get repeat clients, but in a big enough marketplace, they may get enough one-offs to make it worthwhile. Especially since lots of clients don't use this site or write reviews.

 

YES, you are right Seeker, and I wasnt thinking along those lines because I certainly wouldnt be one of those people, and would hope that others wouldnt allow themselves to be duped either, but I suppose there are enuf that do and it becomes Lucrative for the escort. thanks for setting me str8. (havent been str8 in over 45 years)....

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

If I'm left wanting MORE, ill look elsewhere.

 

When I'm left wanting more, I leave a bigger tip.

[instudiocity]

...snip...

 

Today I noticed a common price of $300, with a bunch of $500 hr thrown in. (and not even for well-known, popular or oft reviewed escorts).

 

They say we are entering a recession, and therefore to me, prices SHOULD be dropping as there is less money floating around. However the opposite seems apparent.

 

Actually, a recession is when household incomes drop while prices rise causing all economic activity to slow down. This non-recession recession with the drop-off in economic activity is causing price-setters (escorts) to increase their prices for their commodity because they are under-utilized. At the same time, since household incomes are dropping, the consumers of these escorts services are reducing their dependance on outside help and not hiring as frequently.

 

Back in the 70's we had this whole debate on push-pull inflation. Is lower household income pulling up inflation or is it the higher prices that is pushing up inflation? The trigger is psychological. When consumer confidence is up, escort's pricing is more moderate and client hiring behavior more frequent (than during these times).

 

So what I'm saying is recessions don't lower costs, they lower income, which increases prices. Periods of growth cause incomes to rise and relative prices to fall.

 

Yes, I'm saying if I had more money and felt better about the situation I'd be hiring more frequently.

[jjkrkwood]

When I'm left wanting more, I leave a bigger tip.

 

Glass half empty, glass half full. I suppose its how you perceive the "wanting" ?

[KMEM]

Actually, a recession is when household incomes drop while prices rise causing all economic activity to slow down. This non-recession recession with the drop-off in economic activity is causing price-setters (escorts) to increase their prices for their commodity because they are under-utilized. At the same time, since household incomes are dropping, the consumers of these escorts services are reducing their dependance on outside help and not hiring as frequently.

 

Back in the 70's we had this whole debate on push-pull inflation. Is lower household income pulling up inflation or is it the higher prices that is pushing up inflation? The trigger is psychological. When consumer confidence is up, escort's pricing is more moderate and client hiring behavior more frequent (than during these times).

 

So what I'm saying is recessions don't lower costs, they lower income, which increases prices. Periods of growth cause incomes to rise and relative prices to fall.

 

Yes, I'm saying if I had more money and felt better about the situation I'd be hiring more frequently.

 

Didn't they used to call that stagflation? Is the logical conclusion to your argument, one escort, one client and a 1 million dollar fee?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[jawjateck]

Since most of my hiring in 11 years has been extended appointments, evenings, overnights, weekends, etc, I have not closely followed the trend in hourly rates. But there has been some mild inflation in the overnight rate since 2000. Back in the early years, I routinely hired outstanding providers for 500-750 for an overnight, and never spent more than that. Now such rates are rare, and someone offering such a low rate could be viewed with suspicion, perhaps perceived (right or wrong) to be a second-tier provider. 800 seems on the low-end now, with 1000 the mid-point, which also happens to be the limit I pay for an overnight, simply because I do not "feel" there is value in going beyond that level. I do not criticize those who charge more; it's the great engine of capitalism, but I simply regard it as a level of diminishing return.

 

So whether it's an hour or an overnight, everyone has a limit and expects a good return on investment within those limits. It's all about consumer confidence, which appears to be souring in this stagnant economy.

[jjkrkwood]

Since most of my hiring in 11 years has been extended appointments, evenings, overnights, weekends, etc, I have not closely followed the trend in hourly rates. But there has been some mild inflation in the overnight rate since 2000. Back in the early years, I routinely hired outstanding providers for 500-750 for an overnight, and never spent more than that. Now such rates are rare, and someone offering such a low rate could be viewed with suspicion, perhaps perceived (right or wrong) to be a second-tier provider. 800 seems on the low-end now, with 1000 the mid-point, which also happens to be the limit I pay for an overnight, simply because I do not "feel" there is value in going beyond that level. I do not criticize those who charge more; it's the great engine of capitalism, but I simply regard it as a level of diminishing return.

 

So whether it's an hour or an overnight, everyone has a limit and expects a good return on investment within those limits. It's all about consumer confidence, which appears to be souring in this stagnant economy.

 

Jaw, I dont think I will ever be able to justify paying $300 on the scene I prefer when I hire, BUT I do it anyway, because I like BIG cock, its hard to find in the real world, and I am lazy. I dont feel when I spend $300 to suck a guys cock that its ever worth it, come on now, think about it, nevertheless I do enjoy myself, but am always thinking of what I could have done with that money instead. As the saying goes, you cant take it with you, so I treat myself now and then, but less often as the prices rise. For me anyway, Hiring is a Luxury purchase.

[down_to_business]

Again, an escort has the right right to charge whatever he wants to charge. He doesn't need to justify it or give a reason.

 

Some have stated here that an escort runs his business and sets pricing based on a whole set of business analysis. Maybe a few do. The majority set prices based on what they see someone else has set their prices at, without regard to any analysis. Some couldn't even tell you their costs or expenses. Of course there will be regional variations like you would expect someone to charge more in New York City than in Biloxi Mississippi because the cost of living and average incomes are much higher.

 

Another component in this equation is the excellent job some of the escorts and their minions and/or aliases have done in this forum of convincing so many readers and other escorts that their prices are too low. I can't help laughing at that brainwashing every time I see another comment about how the poster is suspicious because 'his rates were too low'. Look it goes both ways here, escorts have every right to set their prices at whatever level they want to. If we accept prices can never be too high then we must accept that rates can never be too low either.

 

Raising prices or setting rates high in this current economy makes absolutely no business sense for new escorts just starting out or those who are not getting the amount of business that they want or need. When economic trouble strikes like this, discretionary spending is the first thing to go. So what you see is the average person has to spend more of their income on housing, food, fuel, utilities etc and less on vacation and travel and even hiring escorts. In these times, discetionary spending becomes more price sensitive as well.

 

I can only give you an example of my spending habits. Escort charges $150, I hire 3X a week, = $450. Same escort decides to charge $200, I may hire 1 or 2 X a week = $200-$400. Same escort charges $250, 1 might hire 1X a week maybe or more than likely find another provider = 0 to $250 ; and over $250.. well in a few rare cases, I might hire up to 2 times a year. When we annualize this, the effect of an escort charging $200 over $150 means over $7500 less and $250 over $150 means he misses out on over $10,000 a year from me alone. NOTE to self-- you are spending way too much on escorts!

[cany10011]

Escorts will charge what the market will bear. I've seen some escort prices here in nyc start at 300 and a few weeks later, it's improved in price to 250.

[jjkrkwood]

Escorts will charge what the market will bear. I've seen some escort prices here in nyc start at 300 and a few weeks later, it's improved in price to 250.

 

Well maybe he was having a One Day Sale, like Macy's ???

[+ Shoreboy]

Jjkrkwood...I love your responses...witty and right on target.

 

I too have noticed the rates in NYC going up and up and $300 per hour are the ones I pass right over.

 

However, I would rather have someone advertise $300 than an "ask me" rate and then find out it is $500 per hour and then the bartering begins, which i really, really hate!

[jjkrkwood]

Jjkrkwood...I love your responses...witty and right on target.

 

I too have noticed the rates in NYC going up and up and $300 per hour are the ones I pass right over.

 

However, I would rather have someone advertise $300 than an "ask me" rate and then find out it is $500 per hour and then the bartering begins, which i really, really hate!

 

 

Look, I am all for Free enterprise, and realize the guy needs to earn a buck, BUT personally, I dont think any cock is really worth $300-$500 for an hour, when it is readily available for Free if you werent so lazy to go out and find it..... YES, its a convenience, and you are paying for time, but doctors that save lives dont earn that. Come on here !!!!! Of course, if your are wealthy and can afford to spend that without batting an eye, then by all means GO FOR IT, and enjoy ! I need to be a bit more discretionary.... Those Gay senior citizen Old age homes dont come Cheap !!!