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First, a friendly warning DG. Be very careful of even hinting that you agree with me on anything. You will be Blacklisted here as a conspirator to the enemy. As I was recently told in a post, my views are the unpopular ones so I should EXPECT what I get. Really? I didnt know the code of contact mandated I go with the populace vote to be safe here. That is Fucked Up.

 

Second, you are wrong about my Glee in the reaction and treatment I get here. For the most part, its exhausting, its distracting, and its uncomfortable. But I aint about to just lie down and be rolled over by at most 5 people that seem to want to continue confronting me at every turn. If they have the energy for this, ill guess ill muster up some energy myself to accommodate them.

 

I'm not the least bit worried about being blacklisted as a conspirator. I think you're being melodramatic. I've agreed with you several times in the past during one of these epic discussions, including when you first came on the board and asked a question and someone curtly directed you to previous threads. I've remain unscathed each time.

 

As for the other, sometimes people can see things in us that we can't see in ourselves. You must get something out of coming to this forum. If it were as exhausting, distracting and uncomfortable as you say it is, my ass would have long been gone out of here. It's not a necessity of life to be here. There are too many things in life we must endure with no choice to voluntarily go back to something we claim to hate. ... So I can only conclude you either enjoy the sparring on some level or are an emotional masochist. I've dropped out of a couple of online boards simply because I quit enjoying them. Never looked back.

 

 

Personally, I enjoy a lot of your posts and tend to see your POV, minus the whole woe-is-me thing you have going on. I think you have realistic POV that often find myself in accord with.

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I agree too and so far the sky hasn't fallen on me lol It is what it is. This is a board for clients to discuss their experiences with escorts and masseurs. With an occasional response from the providers. I don't expect anyone to say its always just business that the clients are nothing more than a walking ATM that would be marketing suicide. I think instances where clients and providers view themselves as friends is the minority not the majority. I have clients that come every month who I become relaxed with that I find to be more pleasant than others and over a time the experience is more relaxed due to seeing them so often. However I don't think of any of them as friends. I wouldn't hang out with them, or provide services for free. If I stopped giving massages or they had no way to continue to pay I wouldn't see us having any use for one another..

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I'm not the least bit worried about being blacklisted as a conspirator. I think you're being melodramatic. I've agreed with you several times in the past during one of these epic discussions, including when you first came on the board and asked a question and someone curtly directed you to previous threads. I've remain unscathed each time.

 

As for the other, sometimes people can see things in us that we can't see in ourselves. You must get something out of coming to this forum. If it were as exhausting, distracting and uncomfortable as you say it is, my ass would have long been gone out of here. It's not a necessity of life to be here. There are too many things in life we must endure with no choice to voluntarily go back to something we claim to hate. ... So I can only conclude you either enjoy the sparring on some level or are an emotional masochist. I've dropped out of a couple of online boards simply because I quit enjoying them. Never looked back.

 

 

Personally, I enjoy a lot of your posts and tend to see your POV, minus the whole woe-is-me thing you have going on. I think you have realistic POV that often find myself in accord with.

 

Thanks for the armchair analysis. I re-read MY post and cant find where I said I hated being on this site. Yes Its uncomfortable, etc, but not enuf so to make me leave. Plus I am NOT a quitter, and see my leaving as a surrender to the people that want me gone. I dont think a problem that I have with a handful of people is worth compromising myself. I also never said that I get nothing from this site. I often find alot of the threads interesting, funny, informative, and Lee's galleries are always a boner inducement. So if I have to fight with a few to reap some benefit, I will...I just find the discension unnecesary... Several of my critics have told me that I need to be more open to opinions. Maybe, but I can say the same to them. However THEY dont seem willing to budge, so why should I be expected to. Whats up with double standards here?

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Thanks for the armchair analysis. I re-read MY post and cant find where I said I hated being on this site. Yes Its uncomfortable, etc, but not enuf so to make me leave. Plus I am NOT a quitter, and see my leaving as a surrender to the people that want me gone. I dont think a problem that I have with a handful of people is worth compromising myself. I also never said that I get nothing from this site. I often find alot of the threads interesting, funny, informative, and Lee's galleries are always a boner inducement. So if I have to fight with a few to reap some benefit, I will...I just find the discension unnecesary... Several of my critics have told me that I need to be more open to opinions. Maybe, but I can say the same to them. However THEY dont seem willing to budge, so why should I be expected to. Whats up with double standards here?

 

Well, I get nothing but fun out of this site. I'm sorry you don't and that there's a lot of negativety attached for you.

 

I'm not sure what else to say.

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Well, I get nothing but fun out of this site. I'm sorry you don't and that there's a lot of negativety attached for you.

 

I'm not sure what else to say.

 

Theres alot of negativity in the world in general. Actually, this site is a piece of cake compared to LIFE. Its all good DG....

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I'm sure that most people will not see this since this post deteriorated into a pissing match two pages ago, but I must speak in favor of the escorts who say they enjoy their work. I recently spent an overnight with my new favorite Craig from Chicago. Even though I'm old and fat, I cringe every morning as I stand naked in front of the mirror, he performed magnificently. I even elicited a few moans when I struck the right nerves and he had me writhing with pleasure much of the night. Afterwards he wrote thanking me and telling me he enjoyed the night. He didn't need to do that since he knows I have a real weakness for him and realizes I'll return for more the next time he's in town.

 

I have been with Davidsf, Tyger, and a few other known escorts and I am assured they enjoyed their time with me. Any of us who have jobs working with people find ways to find joy in our work. I spent 38 years teaching school to 14 year-olds and every day I came in contact with more than 100 of them and I needed to find the best in each individual. That was my job; that was my challenge. Obviously I enjoyed it or I would not have continued down that path. I'm sure it's the same with escorts.

 

The most talented top I ever experienced was Mark of Central Illinois, a college student from the Czech Republic. He was bi at best but he had an unbelievable sex drive and absolutely loved to fuck and he needed the money. So he turned to escorting and when he had me on my back pinned to the mattress the look in his eyes showed nothing but pleasure. And thankfully soon after he had filled his condom he was tearing open another asking for a second helping and a third and even a fourth. The man was unbelievable.

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The best escorts are the ones who clearly enjoy sex with clients, you can go through the motions, but can't fake it to the level of the best in the business.

 

When you're with AJ Irons or DavidSF or the like, its clear they are into it, really enjoy sex, and find something in the session to turn them on in a real way. This ability is what separates the good from the great in escorting.

 

I, too, like the new...so that only adds to the excitement.

 

So what you guys are saying is that its not that good escorts are good actors just doing their job??? Hmmm... That IS good to know. I've never felt that an escort was truly enjoying himself with me in bed (outside yes). See, I'm a middle aged, bearish, overweight man who finds it hard to believe that a gorgeous escort would enjoy sex or being intimate with me. I do get my share of looks from women and lots of cubs and chasers do find me attractive, only I'm not attracted to them. :( I like hot and handsome escorts for sex. And I have enjoyed a few immensely, but I've always gone away feeling a little bit "less attractive" because I've never felt that they have really enjoyed themselves sexually even when they have orgasmed. I've always figured that they have closed their eyes and thought of whatever makes them cum!

 

I'm sure escorts do find some clients attractive and even might enjoy them, just not all in general including myself.

 

Anyway, thanks for the feedback! ;) You certainly have given me food for thought with this discussion.

 

Best wishes! :)

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So what you guys are saying is that its not that good escorts are good actors just doing their job??? Hmmm... That IS good to know. I've never felt that an escort was truly enjoying himself with me in bed (outside yes). See, I'm a middle aged, bearish, overweight man who finds it hard to believe that a gorgeous escort would enjoy sex or being intimate with me. I do get my share of looks from women and lots of cubs and chasers do find me attractive, only I'm not attracted to them. :( I like hot and handsome escorts for sex. And I have enjoyed a few immensely, but I've always gone away feeling a little bit "less attractive" because I've never felt that they have really enjoyed themselves sexually even when they have orgasmed. I've always figured that they have closed their eyes and thought of whatever makes them cum!

 

I'm sure escorts do find some clients attractive and even might enjoy them, just not all in general including myself.

 

Anyway, thanks for the feedback! ;) You certainly have given me food for thought with this discussion.

 

Best wishes! :)

 

I guess the moral of the story is that WHATEVER a client needs to think to make them feel good about themselves and their experiences is OK.

 

As well, whatever the Escort needs to do and think to get him thru the session and earn a living is OK too.

 

Really, what difference does it make as long as everyone is happy in the end ?

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I've never felt that an escort was truly enjoying himself with me in bed (outside yes). See, I'm a middle aged, bearish, overweight man who finds it hard to believe that a gorgeous escort would enjoy sex or being intimate with me.

 

Jeez dude. You might actually be good in bed. The best sex I've ever had was with a client. He was 65, and I used memories of him fucking me all the time to cum with my ex.

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Jeez dude. You might actually be good in bed. The best sex I've ever had was with a client. He was 65, and I used memories of him fucking me all the time to cum with my ex.

 

Yes, I don't deny that but doesn't the "visual" count as much as skill? I guess this makes me wonder if their are any escorts who are "chasers" and honestly attracted to middle aged bears??? Maybe I should forget about the whole thing and just be "happy" if the escort provides a good service to me regardless if he's repulsed by being with me.

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Yes, I don't deny that but doesn't the "visual" count as much as skill? I guess this makes me wonder if their are any escorts who are "chasers" and honestly attracted to middle aged bears??? Maybe I should forget about the whole thing and just be "happy" if the escort provides a good service to me regardless if he's repulsed by being with me.

 

BTW—confidence and positivity are always attractive qualities to have. And from the perspective of an escort, having to deal with someone else's low self confidence and constant need for reassurance is not only draining, but it's a HUGE turn off. One of my clients posted a very nice review of me, and for some reason I couldn't schedule an immediate follow-up appointment. He took this to mean that I wasn't attracted to him and began to send me email after email needing some sort of validation that there was nothing wrong, which started a feedback loop that just made things worse. After several weeks of this, I finally decided he was more trouble than he was worth and I never saw him again.

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BTW—confidence and positivity are always attractive qualities to have. And from the perspective of an escort, having to deal with someone else's low self confidence and constant need for reassurance is not only draining, but it's a HUGE turn off. One of my clients posted a very nice review of me, and for some reason I couldn't schedule an immediate follow-up appointment. He took this to mean that I wasn't attracted to him and began to send me email after email needing some sort of validation that there was nothing wrong, which started a feedback loop that just made things worse. After several weeks of this, I finally decided he was more trouble than he was worth and I never saw him again.

 

Yes I hear what you're saying but I assure you that I do not reflect with an escort these sentiments that I'm sharing here in confidence. These are ONLY my thoughts and feeling that I'm expressing because its a "safe" environment. But I AM perceptive of people and several well reviewed escorts on this site have just wanted to "get the job done", collect their money and leave! I repeat, I'm not bad looking and do get my share of looks and dates if I wanted to deal with the "Bear" scene.

 

Thanks for your feedback though!

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There are escorts who want to "get the job done", collect their money and leave regardless of who the client is. Has nothing to do with you. You seem like a fun caring person. Celebrate yourself for all your good qualities, relax and enjoy life.

 

Thank you! :) I do and I will even more now. ;)

 

All the best!

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