The Negative Review

[good ol boy]

I read more than I post. In my opinion, many people, while commenting write that they have refrained from posting the negative review. Then they go on to say that they are willing to discuss via email or a PM. WHY? Just write the negative review.

[down_to_business]

The short answer is because when we do we are called every name in the book, unclean, unsafe, unhealthy, demanding, liars, etc. Look at the message center and see example after example. Then we have to worry about the retaliation in private 'escort only' threads where our private information is shared as someone to avoid. Frankly, it's just not worth it any more.

 

Don't you find it somewhat ironic how 'people' post here that its perfectly fine for an escort to stand a client up because they 'probably had a good reason to' but if a client stands up an escort they should be shot on sight and pay their entire fee. (personal note - I am 100% opposed to either an escort or a client standing each other up equally). Or if a client lies about their weight by 2 lbs its fraud but its ok for an escort to shave 5 years off their age or post pictures that are 10 years old (personal note - I am 100% believer in honesty on both sides).

 

Anyways- all I am saying is that the negative review process is broken and I don't see any possible way to fix it.

[good ol boy]

I guess many of those old post are not available anymore. They are in the archives or were lost in a transition about 5 ish years back.

[seeker630]

The short answer is because when we do we are called every name in the book, unclean, unsafe, unhealthy, demanding, liars, etc. Look at the message center and see example after example. Then we have to worry about the retaliation in private 'escort only' threads where our private information is shared as someone to avoid. Frankly, it's just not worth it any more.

 

I agree that this happens sometimes -especially when the escort has a large & vocal following here. But there are also negative reviews that go unchallenged, as well as reviews where the escorts defensive attacks are recognized as such and only add more weight to the negative review. I tend to think that the negative consequences of a 'bad' review have been exaggerated here.

 

As for the 'escort only' private threads - are you referring to emails between escorts, or what? As far as I am aware, there are no private threads here.

 

I think if you have a truly bad experience that is the fault of the escort, you should write a review. I will confess, however, that I failed to write a lukewarm review of a popular escort here in part because it was a matter of chemistry and in part because I Knew some people here are emotionally invested in him. Mea culpa!

[gcursor]

another approach

 

I will admit that there are things I could say on this BUT lately i've decided to take another approach instead. You see, I don't drink typically. But what I've been doing lately is when I see a topic that I want to comment on, I drink incessantly until I pass out unconscious. When I come to then I typically have "other" things that I'd rather do than comment on the forum

Gcursor

 

I read more than I post. In my opinion, many people, while commenting write that they have refrained from posting the negative review. Then they go on to say that they are willing to discuss via email or a PM. WHY? Just write the negative review.

[+ Gar1eth]

I think I have a fairly good answer to explain Chris' negative reviews. Chris used to advertise as versatile. I just read his Rentboy ad, and now he lists himself as a bottom. If I remember right, all of Chris' bad reviews occurred because he wasn't able to get hard. All his reviews as a bottom are great. So I think the answer for the bad reviews is that Chris was a new escort. He is versatile (but leaning more to the bottom side of things), and maybe can't really get hard unless he is really 'into' the guy. Probably just starting out he didn't realize that about himself. The only thing he might have done wrong in addition to possibly not being honest with himself and clients about his topping skills is his not replying to the negative reviews. Maybe he's embarrassed by his inability to perform and doesn't want to talk about it. And as we all know replying back can be a double edged sword. So maybe it's better if he doesnt.

 

 

Gman

 

I've had the same problem with esorts in reverse-- they are supposedly versatile -- but they can't take me-- or at least not easily. And it's not like I'm Thor Maelstrom size:o

 

G

[rvwnsd]

Don't you find it somewhat ironic how 'people' post here that its perfectly fine for an escort to stand a client up because they 'probably had a good reason to' but if a client stands up an escort they should be shot on sight and pay their entire fee. (personal note - I am 100% opposed to either an escort or a client standing each other up equally).

 

You put the word people in quotes (actually, apostrophes, but you intended to use quotes.) Are you implying that some of these "people" are not, in fact, people?

 

Most members of this board say nothing of the sort. Escorts have been pilloried for not showing up (and not notifying the client that the date was being cancelled) even when there was a good reason to cancel the date. Generally, the sentiment is that some circumstances warrant cancelling a date, but the cancellation must be communicated in advance.

 

Or if a client lies about their weight by 2 lbs its fraud but its ok for an escort to shave 5 years off their age or post pictures that are 10 years old (personal note - I am 100% believer in honesty on both sides).

Although I have not re-read every thread on this message board, I cannot recall a thread where an escort was supported when he called a client a liar because the client slightly mis-stated his stats. I have seen escorts (and clients) comment about hygiene and smoke, both of which can be resolved by taking a thorough shower. I have also seen comments where the escort (or client) suggested "freshening up" and the offer was refused. Frankly, if that is the case, I think either party has the right to end the session without obligation to the other party. There have been comments where an escort has criticized a client's appearance (looks, weight, etc) and in many if not most cases the escort has been advised to find a different career. That being said, if a client states that he is short, blond, and twink-ish and is actually a 6'9", dark-haired, bodybuilder he should expect to receive a surprised reaction when he shows up.

 

Post after post after post, including some from escorts, criticize escorts for having dated pictures, mis-stated stats, and other inaccuracies in their ads. I do not know where you are getting your information about it being "OK" for an escort to portray themselves inaccurately.

 

Anyways- all I am saying is that the negative review process is broken and I don't see any possible way to fix it.

I don't see what is broken. If a client does not enjoy their session with an escort and it is the escort's fault, they can and should write a review. Hopefully, the review accurately states the circumstances. In my opinion, if the escort portrayed themselves accurately and delivered what they said they would deliver, it is not the escort's fault if the chemistry was not right and the session went badly. (For example, I wanted a muscular jock-type guy and I hired a guy who was toned, but not a jock. Guess what happened? I didn't really enjoy the session. I did not write a negative review because I knew what I was getting myself into. I should not have hired the guy. That isn't his fault.) The escort has the opportunity to comment on the review. We have the opportunity to read both the review and the rebuttal and make a decision about the escort. Frankly, some of the rebuttals are so outrageous that they convey more negative information about the escort than does the negative review. What is broken about that process?

[jackcali]

My reason for not submitting negative reviews has nothing to do with fear of being excoriated by the escort, by my fellow posters or by escorts defending one of their own. I don't post negative reviews because I assume that a bad interaction is due to a lack of chemistry between the escort and me, and that's too personal an experience for it to be useful to other readers.

 

To be honest, I feel the same way about positive reviews. I have had sessions with escorts with several uniformly ecstatic reviews, and I have to say that they were decidedly ho-hum experiences. I don't blame the escorts, who I'm sure were trying their best and who certainly performed by any physical measure, but I was not left with the thrill that I want from sexual interactions. I think it would be unfair to tag an escort with a description of such an interaction.

 

Now, I wouldn't hesitate to write a negative review of an escort who advertises falsely or who tries to steal from or cheat me. That information should be shared within the client community. But the fact that an escort didn't float my boat really shouldn't be a reason for a negative review.

[fosterchow]

I think negative reviews can be extremely helpful to clients, especially in light of the recent thread(s) about Scott Sloan, and others. I don't mean negative reviews about bad chemistry, or misunderstandings, I mean negative reviews where the escort is a phony, or lies, or steals, or cheats. Those few bad apples should be pointed out, so that others do not get burned.

[bcohen7719]

The short answer is because when we do we are called every name in the book, unclean, unsafe, unhealthy, demanding, liars, etc. Look at the message center and see example after example. Then we have to worry about the retaliation in private 'escort only' threads where our private information is shared as someone to avoid. Frankly, it's just not worth it any more.

 

Don't you find it somewhat ironic how 'people' post here that its perfectly fine for an escort to stand a client up because they 'probably had a good reason to' but if a client stands up an escort they should be shot on sight and pay their entire fee. (personal note - I am 100% opposed to either an escort or a client standing each other up equally). Or if a client lies about their weight by 2 lbs its fraud but its ok for an escort to shave 5 years off their age or post pictures that are 10 years old (personal note - I am 100% believer in honesty on both sides).

 

Anyways- all I am saying is that the negative review process is broken and I don't see any possible way to fix it.

 

Would anyone comment whether the people who retaliate against negative reviewers seems to be a small clique, or are they spread out?

 

BC

[doitb4ugo]

Flame wars we start, Yes.

[Decatur Guy]

I would post a negative review, and I wouldn't worry about other posters flaming me. I don't really keep up with who is a fan of who, etc.

 

I haven't posted a negative review because I haven't had a negative experience yet. There were a couple of times I didn't post a review at all because the experience was not great but not bad enough to really warrant spreading the word.

 

But I don't worry about what others may say if I do eventually post one. That's the whole point of the system, right? I'm just generally a positive person and a positive review -- or especially several of them -- generally provide me with the information I want.

[sfgaygeek]

I've been seeing Chris (Las Vegas) regularly for almost a year now, and he has topped me several times. On only one occasion did he have a problem getting hard so we just prolonged him being the bottom and also explored other acts. Chris has had a couple of personal issues and problems in the past year that have affected for a short period his ability to get hard and his ability to perform, yet the reason is not something that he has wanted to share. I don't think that Chris in any way would take advantage of a client or lie, but I think he was going through something at the time which made it difficult to stay hard, especially with the added pressure of the client's expectations. But as I stated above, I only experienced this situation once.

 

I know that he has been encouraged by some forum members not to reply due to the circumstances. Yes, he did change his ad to Bottom so as not to mislead people. If you want Chris to top (which he certainly can do), have a verbal conversation with him to ensure that you both thoroughly understand what is expected. Chris topping me is not the primary reason I see Chris, and don't think it should be for anyone. By the way, I am not a "working, hunky guy", but an average looking over 60 yo guy.

 

I hope this is not taken as a review; I will be reviewing Chris again after my next visit to Vegas and will provide details of his topping skills! Chris, if I have revealed personal info, my apologies.

[good ol boy]

As for the 'escort only' private threads - are you referring to emails between escorts, or what? As far as I am aware, there are no private threads here.

 

WE can private message one another here. In a PM as people refer to it here, we can share email addresses and email one another if we so choose to

[orbital sander]

I have discontinued posting reviews here under my forum name for privacy reasons. I also never share my forum identity while with a guy so they never know that I am a poster on this board. If you post any review under your forum name you risk loosing your anonymity, unless you stick with a false name and only meet at hotels (to much acting for me).

[+ Italiano]

I have written many positive reviews, one good review with a negative comment for a well-known superhung man in London, and one very negative review for a very hot hunk in Montreal, for whom by the way I had posted in the past a glowing one.

 

The London escort replied blaming me for the negative comment, and two of his fans wrote me privately here insulting me.

 

The Montreal escort first publicly denied whatever happened that caused the bad review and publicly bashed me, and of course a few of his fans bashed me as well, publicly and privately.

 

This will not refrain me from writing another bad review in case (hopefully never!) I will receive again a bad service, nevertheless it's very bizarre having to defend and justify myself from liers' and screeming fans' attacks sometimes!

[Epigonos]

This thread invariably comes up again every couple of years and I have always found it fascinating. I accidently found this site about ten years ago, fortunately, before I hired my first escort. I spent nearly three months researching exactly who I want to hire for my first escort experience. Thus my first escort experience was a resounding success. I have continued to research thoroughly each and every escort I have hired. Over the last ten years I have written dozens of reviews – ALL have been positive. During that same period of time I have also had dozens of mediocre experience but NEVER a truly bad one. I have never written a review of a mediocre experience and will continue to follow that practice. In the past I have always attributed my mediocre experiences to lack of chemistry or to the possibility that either the escort or I was simply having a bad day. Lack of chemistry just happens and everybody is entitled to a bad day now and then.

 

During the last year or two I have found that the number of mediocre experiences, with first time escorts, has been on the increase. There just doesn’t seem to be the old excitement that was once there. I have come to the conclusion that the fault, if fault is the correct word, rests with me NOT the escort. I’m afraid I have over the years become rather jaded I have found a small group of regulars that I hire. I know what to expect from these guys and the experience is always rewarding. I guess I have lost the will to go out and find new escorts and exert the effort to make the get together rewarding. Frankly it takes two to tango and if I don’t work at it the escort can’t do it all on his own. Knowing this I should probably cease hiring new guys BUT I don’t. In fact I’m seeing a new escort on Wednesday and I’m hoping for bells and whistles but if it doesn’t happen I will be forced to admit that much of the “fault” rests with me.

[+ Gar1eth]

I May Need To Apologize- Either To Other Forum Members And/Or To Chris

 

I wrote my previous response in this thread this morning when I first woke up. I just re-read it. At least on casual reading now that I am awake it may sound as if I had 1st hand, personal knowledge of Chris' situation. If it comes across that way, I certainly didn't mean it to. I was only thinking out loud, trying to figure out a possible explanation since the bad reviews as far as I know only occurred when he attempted to top. Probably I shouldn't have chimed in.

 

Gman

[daviddd49]

I suppose I've been lucky in that I've had mostly very positive encounters over the past 10 or so years. Oh, sure, I've had my share of weirdos and flakes ... and a few encounters that left much to be desired. But, I've never been scammed or hurt or in any way made to feel uncomfortable or harmed by an Escort. In that, perhaps I'm lucky.

 

I've had 2 Escorts who have been very communicative prior to meeting who, when the time came to show up, never actually appeared. One was a surprise, for he was very famous and well-reviewed; the other was an unknown. In both cases it took quite a while before I found out what had happened. While both's failure to show up cost me time and travel-related expenses, neither really hurt me so ... no review.

 

I've had one escort be very weird and difficult to get rid of once our time together was over. Had he had an extant review listing on Daddy's I probably would have written up a warning review, but since he didn't have a listing and since -- by his own admission -- he was "leaving the business" (and he has left it), I didn't see a purpose being served in writing a negative review.

 

I've had one escort tell me, after a wonderful half-hour of conversation, that he wasn't interested in sex with me. I was more than a bit surprised, and saddened by this, but he then immediately began to make out with me and we ended up having some incredible oral sex. I asked him, afterward, what he had meant by "no sex," and his response was that he had meant "no anal sex." That was strange since, in our pre-meeting communications and in our "getting-to-know-you" conversation the subject had come up and he had made it clear he was both a bottom and happy about being fucked. However, our making making out had been excellent and the oral sex had been super (he made me cum, then I made him cum, then he made me come again), so I dropped it. I didn't write him a positive review, but neither did I write a negative. Why not? Because, despite his sudden change of mind regarding anal sex, it had been an enjoyable encounter for me.

 

I suppose that I will only write a negative review for a seriously bad encounter, a scammer, or an event where I'm made to feel uncomfortable or unsure of the situation. Just a session where the escort and I don't "click" really doesn't call for a negative review ... at least, not in my thinking.

[leigh.bess.toad]

I've been seeing Chris (Las Vegas) regularly for almost a year now, and he has topped me several times. On only one occasion did he have a problem getting hard so we just prolonged him being the bottom and also explored other acts. Chris has had a couple of personal issues and problems in the past year that have affected for a short period his ability to get hard and his ability to perform, yet the reason is not something that he has wanted to share. I don't think that Chris in any way would take advantage of a client or lie, but I think he was going through something at the time which made it difficult to stay hard, especially with the added pressure of the client's expectations. But as I stated above, I only experienced this situation once.

 

I know that he has been encouraged by some forum members not to reply due to the circumstances. Yes, he did change his ad to Bottom so as not to mislead people. If you want Chris to top (which he certainly can do), have a verbal conversation with him to ensure that you both thoroughly understand what is expected. Chris topping me is not the primary reason I see Chris, and don't think it should be for anyone. By the way, I am not a "working, hunky guy", but an average looking over 60 yo guy.

 

I hope this is not taken as a review; I will be reviewing Chris again after my next visit to Vegas and will provide details of his topping skills! Chris, if I have revealed personal info, my apologies.

 

I don't mean to be picking on Chris. I've never hired him and the forum members I have talked to who have hired him speak glowingly of him, which is something I would seriously take into account. But if there were legitimate personal issues going on, to my mind he either should have cancelled or not booked the appointment or at least told the client at the time of the booking that he has a personal issue that may prevent him from topping. He has no need whatsoever to detail what those issues are. And when that didn't happen, I think he should have offered some sort of "make right" proposal -- reduce his fee, offered another session, something, anything to make the client know that he was aware there was a problem and wanted to address it. But by all accounts, he did none of those things. And that is the biggest problem I have. If he had done those things, he possibly/probably could have prevented some/all of the negative reviews. But his apparent indifference to the negative experience of the clients is by far the most troubling aspect, even more than the lack of response to the negative review. He doesn't owe an explanation to us (although it would be good), but I feel he certainly owes something to the clients. In the end, all I expect is a little attention to customer service.

[gcursor]

Congratulations

 

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p.s. This wasn't meant to indicate any one person in particular; it was aimed at the whole topic in general