How can I market an escorting couple and make it work?

[stephen_maximum]

Hi everyone,

 

This week I had the pleasure of meeting two new potential escorts for Maximum. They are a couple, and one is tall and dark and has a "body of death" with a massive endowment. The other is light, auburn hair, white white skin, also very well built (if perhaps a bit smaller than the other guy), and he has an incredible ass. They are both totally versatile and either one would do extremely well with Maximum, but at the end of the interview they told me that they only want to be marketed as a couple and work together. In my mind and in my experience this could be problematic. I have hired couples twice in the past with the same results: no one wanted to hire them together. I would really like to have these guys working for us exclusively as they have limited prior experience escorting and do not wish to work on their own, and I know there is major potential with them. My issues are how do I make a couple appealing to a larger clientele and also what would fair pricing be? In this economy it's hard enough getting work for our guys, but now I am faced with offering the services of a couple at an even higher rate. I am fairly confident that once they get into it I might have a good chance of getting them to work individually, but if my agency cannot provide enough clients in the beginning I risk losing that opportunity later on. These guys would certainly be two of the best looking guys on our site and are much hotter than the previous couples I hired but I really could use some thoughtful advise from you guys about them.

 

Thanks,

Stephen

[Guest TBinCHI]

I was going to suggest that you charge by the inch, but thought that might be a bit too facetious an answer for your serious thread. So I would suggest an introductory rate that may be a bit below the market. I think that you should also explain to your couple what you explained here so that they understand why they might have to do more with less for at least the near future. Can't wait to see what they look like, as I do know that in your "speak" as it were, massive really does mean massive!!

[NYTomcat]

I agree you are right. I think explaining to them that they may need to work alone to build a clientele that wants both is probably a great idea. They may need their clients comfortable with one to be ultimately happy to pay to hire the two.

[dcguy20]

I don't think they realize for them to be marketed as a couple, a potential client would have to be attracted to both of them. On paper, I was immediately drawn to the darker one, and the one with auburn hair does absolutely nothing for me. It's about "type" and what people are and aren't attracted to.

[best hotel]

....in my experience as a non-versatile bottom, one member of a couple can be too bottomish for me......and i end up only interested in the top.....if they are not both truly versatile, i would suggest that you avoid advertising them as such

[olympus]

Pricing is key. If the introductory rate is fair, then clients who may be interested in only one will take a flier on both. If the results are good, new clients can be told of the positive responses.

[ncc1701d]

Along the lines of pricing, some of us are interested in 3-ways, but due to both pricing and the uncertainity of whether the 2 escorts work well together and still focus on the client are barriers. So come at it from that angle...great rates for a 3-way to maybe overcome the issue already mentioned of clients being attracted to one and not the other. Then send them to OKIE the 3-way king for a test run ;-)

[+ ArVaGuy]

I concur, send them to OKIE for a test run and get his seal of approval.

 

Seriously, touch base with Rick Munroe on how he and Derek handle this aspect of marketing. Though their ads offer as a couple or individually.

 

 

 

Along the lines of pricing, some of us are interested in 3-ways, but due to both pricing and the uncertainity of whether the 2 escorts work well together and still focus on the client are barriers. So come at it from that angle...great rates for a 3-way to maybe overcome the issue already mentioned of clients being attracted to one and not the other. Then send them to OKIE the 3-way king for a test run ;-)

[Quest]

sounds like fun

 

I could test drive them for you if you like

[JT Brooklyn]

Specialist Working Guys!

 

Stephen..Having tried this before you probably know the end result for a FEW reasons.

 

You could keep them on the Maxie Site with Pix's..But don't expect much interest.....

[+ Charlie]

I think it takes a special dynamic within the couple to be successful having sex with a third person. Add that to the limited experience either of them has as an escort, and I think you are right to feel hesitant. The few times I have hired a couple, I have found myself more attracted to one of them as the scene developed. If they understand and accept that, the less favored one may subtly withdraw to let the intensity grow between the client and the other partner; however, I remember one case in which the lesser favored began to work even harder to gain my interest--it was obvious that there was some jealousy and competition involved--which put me in an awkward position. In another case, I sensed that they were more turned on by one another than by me, and this might be the reason why your two insist on working as a couple. Or it may be that only one really wants to escort, but feels he must include the other, who may himself feel pressured into something he isn't really interested in doing.

 

The number of clients who would be tempted by a threesome is limited not only by interest but also by price. At the beginning, you might try a "2 for the Price of 1!" offer, and do some deep follow-up with the clients to see if there was enough sizzle to make it worth your while holding on to them until you might persuade them to work separately (of course, it's also possible that they might be duds as individual escorts, no matter how gorgeous they are).

[+ nycman]

I agree with all of the above.

 

One reason I don't do 3-ways in my private life is I'm

bound to be attracted more to one than the other.

And no matter how hard I try to hide it, it shows.

Not many couples are mature enough to handle this.

 

Also the expense of hiring 2 escorts is ridiculous.

I'm glad some can afford it. I can't. And even if

I could, it ain't worth it to me. The small amount

of added excitement, isn't worth the cost in my book.

 

In the end I think the only viable chance this

has for long term success is if they discount their

price to near the cost of a solo hire. I'm not saying

that's fair to them, but free market economies are

what they are.

 

I actually think it's kinda cute that they only want to

work together, BUT they have to understand that this

limitation comes at a high price.

[seeker630]

Totally agree, , but there is also the voyeur element

 

I think it takes a special dynamic within the couple to be successful having sex with a third person. Add that to the limited experience either of them has as an escort, and I think you are right to feel hesitant. The few times I have hired a couple, I have found myself more attracted to one of them as the scene developed. If they understand and accept that, the less favored one may subtly withdraw to let the intensity grow between the client and the other partner; however, I remember one case in which the lesser favored began to work even harder to gain my interest--it was obvious that there was some jealousy and competition involved--which put me in an awkward position. In another case, I sensed that they were more turned on by one another than by me, and this might be the reason why your two insist on working as a couple. Or it may be that only one really wants to escort, but feels he must include the other, who may himself feel pressured into something he isn't really interested in doing.

 

The number of clients who would be tempted by a threesome is limited not only by interest but also by price. At the beginning, you might try a "2 for the Price of 1!" offer, and do some deep follow-up with the clients to see if there was enough sizzle to make it worth your while holding on to them until you might persuade them to work separately (of course, it's also possible that they might be duds as individual escorts, no matter how gorgeous they are).

You may have to target a niche market - those guys into threesomes and/or guys who like to watch. I like to hire 2 guys on the rare occasion I feel I can afford it - partly because I get off on watching guys have sex (live sex shows. etc.) but I also want to participate and feel that my needs are the priority. Certainly Rick & Derek market themselves as a duo (as well as singles), and there are other teams or pairs out there. I prefer to hire 2 pro's who have worked together. I'd be somewhat wary of an indexperienced 'couple' who might focus more on each other than the clients - UNLESS that's what the client wanted.

Interactions in a threesome can be complex. I hired 2 guys from your agency together and even tho, in hindsight, it was obvious that I preferred one, the other hung in there and contributed without trying to upstage the other.

I think, initially, you need to determine how they will actually work together and reflect that in your marketing. And also, I think that coaching is going to be very important!

And as others have said, you probably need to offer them at a discount initially.

[Edward]

Price and Jealousy

 

Steve,

 

You indeed have a fine stable of studs. However, it is pricey enough to hire one top notch model, if not alone two. Another problem I have encountored hiring partners (lovers) is there seems to be a jealousy with them.

 

As far as marketing, once you get a few good reviews out there the clients will show interest. Just depends on how afordable they are. Love to see the pics of these two studs.

[best hotel]

...Rocco and Chip can serve as a great example

[Epigonos]

The difficulty that I see, as someone who enjoys three-ways, is trying to find clients who are willing to take on TWO unknowns at one time. I ALWAYS arrange my three-ways with ONLY one new/unknown escort. Trying to deal with two new guys at one time would simply be too overwhelming for me.

[adriano46]

The difficulty that I see, as someone who enjoys three-ways, is trying to find clients who are willing to take on TWO unknowns at one time. I ALWAYS arrange my three-ways with ONLY one new/unknown escort. Trying to deal with two new guys at one time would simply be too overwhelming for me.

 

Steve, I have occasionally hired from you and like the excellent guys presented (with one exception, which we discussed privately in the past).

 

I often hire duos when the price is right, and often do this in Europe where there is somewhat of a discount for such encounters.

 

But EPIGONOS and others mention two points I think come to play:

 

1) As a client, I order a duo together when I am attracted to BOTH. Otherwise, why have the other guy there, unless it is for the voyeur aspect, which for me... it is not. I do this because part of the fantasy is wondering how THEY will work together and getting off on seeing that up close and in person. However, sometimes it works the opposite and you find yourself favoring one and almost ignoring the other, and then kicking yourself for wasting the money on the duo.

 

2) I am wary of guys who are a couple already: I have had the odd encounter where something had happened between them (prior to our meeting) and had a negative impact on the whole time together (one was pouty and moody, or they were angry or jealous and you were dealing with their kinner demons). I know some couples are also excellent as a team but... I prefer that some kind of interpersonal relationship on their part not spoil my paid fun and time with them.

 

3) As arguable as this may be, I do not like to pay two full fees for an hour with two guys. My reasoning (faulty as it is) is that each is really not expected to do as much as if he was alone with a client.... Some will blast me on this, which is fine. Just something I think deep down when negotiating such meetings. There are exceptions. I have hired in the past two Russian escorts for a few hours together - they negotiated a fair price for each - and it was a fantastic evening. In Hungary, it has been 50/50 (some unbelievable encounters, others not so great). But in BOTH of these places, the fees were not 100% of hiring a guy alone, but a more reasonable marketable fee.

 

Stephen, on a personal level, a guy with milky white (white white) skin does nothing for me, and so I would personally be hesitent to hire him as part of a duo - but that is just little ol' me. Good luck.

[Bart]

Duo

 

I am a person who hires probably 50/50 single/duos. I agree with the fee aspect of Adriano's post, my expectation is not to pay 100% for both but usually I do not run into an issue with that provided the guys have worked together before and also I almost always hire 3+ hours.

 

Where I do disagree with a lot of the posts here is that I like variety in my men. One dark and one light and auburn sounds very hot, especially if they are as well built as you say and I do trust you on that. Most of the best duos out there are in fact as different as night day and I have tasted them, the best Marco and Olivier, just ask Expat. Juan and Kevin, Patrick Bogan and JC and/or Jaimie Ansaloni, Mike Austin tall and auburn, and Bryan Wilder, shorter and dark, even Dane Scott, hairy chest and Romann, smooth. Also I prefer that my duos have worked together before. There is a smoothness in operation that sometimes is just not there with unknowns even if you have worked with each seperately before.

 

Since they have requested to work together they would expect to get less than two separate guys.

 

In the end all you can do is try it for 60-90 days and see how it works.

[Isis123]

I think it needs to be made fairly clear what the duo-encounter offers.

 

I have seen duos who offer services which vary from:

 

a) The two make love together and include you "in the middle". This is little more than an erotic show but, maybe, with considerable audience participation.

 

b) The two make love to you - for example, one sucking you while the other kisses you.

 

Obviously, there are wide variations in this but the point is the client needs to know exactly where he is going to stand in the trio. If you hire an individual, it is pretty clear from the beginning when you should know if the escort is passive/active/versatile and which particular side you wish to take.

 

I suspect an agency would have legal difficulties if they showed such detail on their website.

[BaronArtz]

In terms of pricing, the current all-in rate at Maximum is $300 cash, right? I would suggest that for a couple there be some discount to the full fee of 2 solo escorts. Otherwise I would be more tempted to hire 2 guys separately at different times, but that is just my preference.

 

In terms of positioning a couple in the market place, can you think of some scenarios that these guys are really good at and focus on those skills? In other words, something 'unusual' that you couldn't get otherwise

[whipped guy]

Stephen you are a sharp guy… a very astute, shrewd, and perceptive person and I think that down deep you feel ill at ease about the “one for all, all for one” proposition with which you are faced in hiring this potential dynamic duo.

 

The caveats regarding hiring the two exclusively in tandem have been covered adequately above… and I don’t have much to add except that the “Rick and Derek” model has been reasonably successful… but then those guys are of a similar type, and from what I gather do offer a “family discount” when hired together… in fact I doubt that both are much hired separately… but I could be wrong about that. Remember the Rick and Derek model works because they have built reputations over a period of years... your guys would be unknown entities.

 

In addition I think the Brooklyn Guy’s advice is also on target as I doubt that there would be much interest unless some “special financial offer” is involved… and it would have to be an offer to which all parties involved would be satisfied… then possibly it might work. I might possibly suggest buy one at the regular price and get the second of equal or lesser value at 50 percent off as per many department store deals if they insist on working as a team.

 

At any rate, guys that hire duos are specialists… and I am not sure how many requests you normally get for duos per say. Think of how many times two separate guys from your stable are hired for threesomes… and that is a situation where the client can choose the guys to which he is most attracted as opposed to having a potentially unappealing third wheel forced on him.

 

If I were you, I would look to your extensive experience from the past and then make a rational decision.

[BaronArtz]

Stephen - for inspiration, take a look at the website of Dave in DC (http://daveinfo.blogspot.com/) This is an excellent website that markets the concept of 3-somes very well.

[Luv2play]

...Rocco and Chip can serve as a great example

 

As I was reading this thread I was thinking of Rocco and Chip who I hired last fall when they were in Montreal. I don't often do threesomes but they were available to do so or individually. I decided to gamble on the two and had a wonderful experience.

 

If I were to hire them again, I would only go with one of them but that is because over two hours I found myself attracted to one more than the other. But I need to emphasize that both gave me equal attention and I never felt that I was the "fifth wheel", so to speak.

 

Also, at my age, I found the experience a bit exhausting, sensory overload if you will. 10 years ago I would have had no problem but time takes its toll. So for us "older" clients, we are perhaps a little more reticent to hire two guys unless they have sterling reviews, which Rocco and Chip had.

[vabballfan]

Curious

 

You mention they one is massively endowed (the dark one). What about the other half of the couple? Is he also well endowed? And I believe you indicated they are both versatile. Their ages may also have some effect on your ability to book them as a couple. How old are each of them?

[Guest Merlin]

Price is everything. Low enough and you will get results. Then when the guys have some experience they will probably be willing to go alone. Also, I suggest a them of "watch us together, then join in".