Two camps at the M4M message board

[BewareofNick]

Which camp am I in again?

[SmallTownJohn]

I have AOL which is home to bitch tribes 24/7...I live in Nashville where EVERYONE is a superstar & "knows Reba." I spend lots of time in Atlanta where I get all the southern-styled "hot, muscle & everybody knows Tina" bitchiness. I love some of the topic here and will post my opinion when I feel moved to action. But all this "Blow Her Ass Out Of The Water" stuff...I'm not into that.

 

Later,

John

[Guest AdamLVescort]

I use the Message Board as a source to find out what other guys are up too. I fortunately have a very good friend Dave here in Vegas who is an Escort but I like to hear from others. Just recently I have started meeting some of the other guys out there and they have been very nice. My problem is that I don't always go out to a bar and I would rather have a good conversation not screaming at each other over music. Thats why I find that the message board helps because I see what other escorts go through and get to read up on whats going on in our "Gay" Community. I would like to say Thanks to both Camps for their inputs because I like to read both. I don't find myself replying to the big topics since I am not the best typest but I find them intersting (sometimes). I am not really into gossip or hurting someones feelings so I avoid posts like that! I do find the single replys funny and follow them too. Thanks for everything guys! I think it is awesome that we can come together as a group and talk about these topics! :-)

 

Adam

http://www.adamlvescort.com

[Guest mcguffin]

There is another aspect to the board that I haven't seen mentioned in this thread, although it has been brought up elsewhere. There are moments when at least some of the posters jell into a community, usually in support of someone who has had a hard time or is going through something. I think of all the posts in support of Mike Stephano as an example, and there have been other occasions which I can't quite bring to my foggy brain. I mention this because I find these moments very heartening. They tell me that, in spite of the fussin' and feudin' that break out occasionally, there are some very caring people here. All of this is not to discount the moments of fun and the discussions of ideas.

[Guest creosote]

It's true a lot of the posts here are lame one liners, sentimental rubbish or pointless trivia, and sometimes when I read through the list of threads I hope no straight people are reading them and getting the idea that all gay men are like this. On the other hand, the way the board is organized makes it easy to identify and ignore the crap for the most part, so it's not a big deal. If you don't want to read another thread about Survivor or another long essay about the personal problems of someone you never met and never will meet, you don't have to.

[marc anthony]

Hey Adam:

 

Welcome to the board. Being a frequent visitor to Vegas, I recently took great interest in your reviews and your pics. You are quite a cutie, and your joining us here on the board will give everyone a chance to get to know you, and you a chance to get to know some of us. Hope to meet you in person someday!

[BuckyXTC]

Adam:

 

Welcome to the Message Center......I should have known that Marc Anthony would beat me to the punch in extending greetings to a new young and beautiful escort (we have similar tastes, but Marc is much more the world traveler). Anyway, glad you're here, and I look forward to your contributions.

BuckyXTC

[Guest jeffOH]

And if we see yet another comment by someone who posts under numerous

aliases, we can dismiss it for the piece of crap that it is.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com }>

[Guest exFratBoy]

Wow. What a great thread.

I've definitely noticed the duality too- there will be a deep conversation about the nature of sexuality, punctuated by some bitchy comment that has nothing to do with anything, or a quick "woof, eat my ass now" from you-know-who.

I agree with whoever said (Ben, I think) that the conversation on here was much better and more interesting than on any other gay board.

My theory on this is that most of those boards are dominated by 19 year olds, whereas we, the clients, are older and obviously in careers that make us enough money to hire escorts. And that for many of us, this is the only place we can discuss gay sex and sexuality with other like-minded people.

I also came for the reviews. First out of titillation- holy shit, look at what you can hire some guy to do, then as a potential consumer, and then I found the Message Center and got hooked.

In full agreement too that the site is used by some as a Zagat's guide to escorts, and by others as a fan site.

I've learned a lot from these boards. Both about sex and about life. It's fascinating to see the wide range of backgrounds and experiences and-- well, I don't know what to call it, but we've got some flaming-ass queens on here and some totally repressed closet cases and everything in between.

Thanks for giving me a good reason to waste 45 minutes every morning.

 

eFB

[+ Charlie]

I am happiest with this board when I can give or get useful information, but I find myself more and more often being drawn into discussions like this one, for the same reason that Will is: because they don't seem to happen anywhere else. Someday I'd like to attend a weekend retreat in some non-sexual space (like the Poconos) for all the regular posters, regardless of which camp they're in, just to see how accurate my mental images are of all of them (except Rick Munroe, whose ass is already as familiar as Warhol's Campbell soup cans).

[Rick Munroe]

>(except

>Rick Munroe, whose ass is already as familiar as Warhol's

>Campbell soup cans)

 

Hey Charlie, thanks for not choosing Warhol's Brillo boxes or Cow Wallpaper for your analogy

(altho Shot Marilyn would have made a nice choice; I love to shoot).

[Guest WetDream]

RE: Warhole

 

Hey Rick! It could have been one of the electric chairs. Whatever the image, you certainly put the "hole" back in Warhole. And I'm glad to see that there are more than two "camps" posting on the Message Center.

[Guest JT]

>I’ve noticed there are two fairly

>distinct “camps.” There are the guys who seem to be looking

>for a serious exchange of ideas, and those who are only

>looking for some fun.

 

There are only these two camps here? :o

 

How about the Apple and PC camps? The former finds comfort, not in the West Wing, but in the Right Wing. They have the tendency to proclaim they are the only ones who possess the truths. They also believe they are the only ones who tell the truths and nothing but the truths in the message centre. Ladies (Kathryn and others?) :-) and gentlemen, please don't tell me you haven't noticed the Apple campers who despise anything that is PC and anyone who uses PC (or anyone who gets labelled PC because he just happens to disagree with them).

 

JT

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

please don't

>tell me you haven't noticed the Apple campers who despise

>anything that is PC

 

I plead guilty to this one...

 

 

>and (despise assumed) anyone who uses PC

 

NOT GUILTY to this one...

 

as a 'knower of the fundamental truths' (TIC) my mission is to help my brother see the light... not feel the heat.

 

There are no bad PCs only bad PC OSs and 'they are not really bad... they are only drawn that way'. :-)

 

>JT

:-)

[Guest CraigSF39]

>How about the Apple and PC camps? The former finds comfort,

>not in the West Wing, but in the Right Wing. They have the

>tendency to proclaim they are the only ones who possess the

>truths. please don't

>tell me you haven't noticed the Apple campers who despise

>anything that is PC and anyone who uses PC (or anyone who

>gets labelled PC because he just happens to disagree with

>them).

 

thank you. i agree totally! i was saying how i cant believe how conservative and right-wing this board is. I think its sad that some gay people dont realize that they should be liberal because it means they will be equal. How can they be with people in politics who want to deny them freedom or put them in camps?

 

Its sad when gay people, the victims of prejidice, go and join racists and fasists who are conseravtives. The liberals have given us freedom and we should fight the racists, not join them.

[Will]

As a card-carrying, self-described liberal whose association with and support of human-rights causes dates back to the days of Joan Baez and Martin Luther King, I'm not sure what you mean by characterizing this entire board as "conservative." Certainly, there are some men who post here and vote Republican; others who post here vote Democratic; and I'll bet a large number of posters here don't vote at all.

 

While I take your point that gay people have a built-in reason to resist forces of intolerance, perhaps it's a sign of progress that politically effective homophobia isn't their only concern. At all events, I don't see why gay people should have sensibilities stamped out by a template designed according to somebody's arbitrary notions of liberalism. Even liberals can disagree with each other over specific issues. We're complex human beings, after all, not look-alike, think-alike, assembly-line-built Toyota-brained automatons.

 

Once the constraints of oppression have snapped off, all sorts of freedoms tumble out, not least the freedom to dissent from the norm.

[Guest CraigSF39]

>As a card-carrying, self-described liberal whose association

>with and support of human-rights causes dates back to the

>days of Joan Baez and Martin Luther King, I'm not sure what

>you mean by characterizing this entire board as

>"conservative."

 

i wasnt saying every one here is conservative. I meant that there are alot of the posters here who express very right-wing views, which is suprising and upseting for a gay board. Ive been reading this board for a couple of weeks but i've seen more fasist views then i have in any other gay forum.

 

>Certainly, there are some men who post here

>and vote Republican; others who post here vote Democratic;

>and I'll bet a large number of posters here don't vote at

>all.

 

in that other toipic (the Guilty Pleasures one) there are people talking like there Newt Gingrich or Trent lott. there saying that gays are oppressive because they have an 'orthodoxy' of liberalism and they punish dissent. others are saying how bad it is that gays are feminine and that they dont like masculine. a couple posters called liberal gays "pc" - just like bush does!!!

 

in the War topics, alot of gays are saying its right to kill muslims and want the US to attack more countrys. since when did gays become racist and republican? How can gays think like this????

 

>While I take your point that gay people have a built-in

>reason to resist forces of intolerance, perhaps it's a sign

>of progress that politically effective homophobia isn't

>their only concern.

 

how can a gay support homophobia??? And its not just homophobia - the Republicans are racist, fasist and against the poor. These are the ones who helped gays. I think its very sad.

 

>At all events, I don't see why gay

>people should have sensibilities stamped out by a template

>designed according to somebody's arbitrary notions of

>liberalism. Even liberals can disagree with each other over

>specific issues.

 

But there not liberals. there conservatives - the ones i read here. One talked about killing muslims. Another one said that gays are PC and want to eliminate conservatives. The gays in the war section are for more war!! How can gays be racist and conservative like that? It makes no sense to me. Its like jews supporting nazis because they think there good for the economoy.

[phage]

I think you will find that the more conservative, right wing posters are just a very vocal and prolific minority on this board – as in the gay community in general. (The crack about killing Muslims was just a joke. Pay attention to that guy’s moniker and you will see that he has a very dark sense of humor.)

 

However, you can see why those conservatively inclined people get a little testy and start taking about political correctness and a gay orthodoxy. The truth is that the gay majority does attempt to punish dissent. They don’t like it when people don’t make their homosexuality the guiding principle of their political, economic, and personal belief system.

 

There is no reason to find conservatism surprising or upsetting. The only thing that truly unites our “community” is our same sex orientation, and I’m not prepared to make that the single most defining aspect of my life. I’m very much a liberal Democrat and my best friend is a conservative Orange County, Log Cabin Republican. We argue non-stop about the privileges of the middleclass white male versus bleeding heart liberalism…and that’s okay. We’re friends because of the many things we have in common. It’s obviously not politics, but it also has very little to do with the fact that we both suck dick.

[Will]

Say "Amen," somebody!

[Traveller]

>in the War topics, alot of gays are saying its right to kill

>muslims and want the US to attack more countrys. since when

>did gays become racist and republican? How can gays think

>like this????

 

 

I am so sorry. I knew that my comment about bombing muslims would be misinterpreted. What I meant to say is that I want to bomb muslims until they are all horribly maimed and missing at least one appendage. I never meant to kill them. I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

 

Later.

[Guest CraigSF39]

>I am so sorry. I knew that my comment about bombing muslims

>would be misinterpreted. What I meant to say is that I want

>to bomb muslims until they are all horribly maimed and

>missing at least one appendage. I never meant to kill them.

> I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

 

this is NOT funny, you racist asshole jerk. You want to bomb jews and blacks to? this is why people think that the Us is racist. i just cant believe that a gay is saying this!!!!! How can you be gay and so racist.

 

i know you and your republican defenders will claim your joking but anyone who would joke like this is sick and racist.

[Traveller]

>this is NOT funny, you racist asshole jerk. You want to

>bomb jews and blacks to? this is why people think that the

>Us is racist. i just cant believe that a gay is saying

>this!!!!! How can you be gay and so racist.

>

 

Well, the current BF is Israeli, and he pisses me off sometimes, so the jews are definitely included in the bombing. The prior BF was african american and he was a royal pain in the ass in the break up, so the blacks are certainly going to be bombed also. With the jews, we'll aim for arms and eyes; the blacks we'll settle for legs and stomachs. And Christ, aren't you forgetting about the latinos, azerbanjis and the like. Be more thorough dude.

 

 

>i know you and your republican defenders will claim your

>joking but anyone who would joke like this is sick and

>racist.

 

My therapist said the same thing to me for years. Then I shot him.

 

Later.

 

PS. Where have all the flowers gone? They're Puff's ass, pounded there with my hammer.

[Guest exFratBoy]

While I have seen many astounding leaps of logic on these boards, I'll say this one is the astoundingest.

 

1. Traveller made a joke about bombing Muslims.

2. The joke was a slap (sort of) at all the new super-patriots who just want us to nuke Afghanistan.

3. Therefore Traveller must be a conservative Republican.

4. Furthermore, since some people laughed at his joke (or the message board equivalent) they must be conservative Republicans too.

5. All Republicans are anti-gay.

6. Thus gays must support all liberal Democrats, regardless of their positions on other issues.

 

Double plus ungood.

[Scorpio]

First, as a conservative, gay Republican (an oxymoron to some I know...but true none the less), I would like to thank Will and phage for their reasoned replies to CraigSF39. They said it more eloquently than I could have and hopefully coming from fellow liberals Craig will pay some heed to their points.

 

Second, I agree with exFratBoy that Craig has made some astounding leaps of logic.

 

Craig, you said:

 

>how can a gay support homophobia??? And its not just homophobia - >the Republicans are racist, fasist and against the poor. These are >the ones who helped gays. I think its very sad.

 

Your comments about Republicans being homophobic, racists, fascists and against the poor are just tired old generalities that don't compute. Or to quote a staunch liberal, Ann Richards (former governor of Texas) "that dog won't hunt." Furthermore, your comments are a prefect illustration of a certain group of liberals, who so vehemently preach tolerance yet fail to practice the same ideal when someone disagrees with them. And I think that is very sad.