Scott Adler's Cover Picture (07-06-06)

[Luv2play]

I am reluctant to get into the whole escort fee thing since basically I believe one pays for what one gets. BUT, when you flatly deny that $350 is NOT your quoted rate and your rate explicitly states "starts at $250", then it is clear that $350 could be your quoted rate for a specific set of services.

 

One sees this sort of pricing structure in retail advertisements all the time. I am surprised Lanky failed to observe it. I assumed he was a savvy consumer of escort services and since $250 per hour itself is a not insignificant sum, I would have thought the words "starts at" would lead him to appreciate that if he was requesting something more than plain vanilla, this would cost more. Seems simple to me.;-)

[SAdler]

>I see your point Jay and also wonder the logic. But what good

>would it do to delete or edit FFF's offensive post after it

>has been allowed to stand for 4 days?

 

Because it's wrong that it's up in the first place.

 

Jay, I totally hear you and sympathize here. A while back in the height of the mean girls craze there were a LOT of posts about me that were blatant violations of the message center rules etc. I remember sending alerts on posts that were made a week before hand. The reply I received was, "Was wondering when you were going to send an alert on that one. As moderators we can't do anything about a post until you alert us you're offended about it."

 

Essentially people were disgusted and offended but like Cooper reminded ncm, if you feel that way you NEED to send an alert.

[Luv2play]

I also found FFF's comments offensive and made my views known on that thread. I agree with J that there does seem to be a double standard operating here if anti-semitic remarks are deleted with alacrity and anti-black comments are allowed to stand for days on end.x(

[KY_TOP]

>>I see your point Jay and also wonder the logic. But what

>good

>>would it do to delete or edit FFF's offensive post after it

>>has been allowed to stand for 4 days?

>

>Because it's wrong that it's up in the first place.

 

Exactly!!!

 

To bring this back to the original post... a HOT picture. Others can debate your tummy but I personally like the pecs and nipples (always my weakness) that seem to look good to me in the pics.

 

As for quoted rates, you did quote me $350 an hour also when I was in LA, and that is were you started.

[Lankypeters]

BUT, when you

>flatly deny that $350 is NOT your quoted rate and your rate

>explicitly states "starts at $250", then it is clear that $350

>could be your quoted rate for a specific set of services.

>

> since $250 per hour itself is a not insignificant

>sum, I would have thought the words "starts at" would lead him

>to appreciate that if he was requesting something more than

>plain vanilla, this would cost more. Seems simple to me.;-)

 

For the record: I inquired by e-mail about spending an hour with Mr. A. as top -- I think that's pretty vanilla. No other services were requested. The e-mailed reponse: "$350/hr." It's pretty clear that's a "quoted rate."

 

No matter. I'm sure Mr. A found shekels elsewhere. But not from me. Why would anyone want to meet someone given to hissy fits? Contrary to BN, not all publicity is good publicity. Some responses show the true hand.

 

 

 

Lankypeters

[Lankypeters]

> I inquired by e-mail about spending an hour

>with Mr. A. as top -- I think that's pretty vanilla. No other

>services were requested. The e-mailed reponse: "$350/hr."

>It's pretty clear that's a "quoted rate."

>

 

 

 

And I wonder: what does he do for $250? Hold hands?

>

>

>Lankypeters

 

 

Lankypeters

[vabballfan]

>And I wonder: what does he do for $250? Hold hands?

 

That must be about all he does for $250. When he was here in DC I inquired about his rates. With him topping it was $350 and with him being top and bottom it was either $400 or $450.

 

He'd have to be a whole lot more exceptional and hung a whole lot bigger to warrant that kind of fee. That's far above the high end for escort fees in NYC from independents. D.C.'s average rate is definitely less than NYC.

 

Shoot - Kristian of Houston and LA never charged anywhere near that rate, had 10 1/2 inches and was always completely versatile for me and I saw him 4 or 5 times. Brett Holt is hung bigger and is a total sex pig at $250 per hour. Tommy Ritter is hung nine inches, cut and thick and is so versatile and gets so into sex, that I've seen him seven or eight times and he gets better each time I see him - $250 per hour and not a clock watcher.

 

Scott doesn't like his rates to be listed because they are so high for vanilla - sorry, to me top and bottom is vanilla. If you advertise as versatile then be versatile - and not at a charge of $150 to $200 over your "starting at" rate.

 

Sorry - I'd rather see two other escorts that I know are great in bed for the same price or $50 to $100 more for both.

[RockHard]

RE: Drama queens.

 

"The double standard here just floors me, Scott. Always has.

 

Posters here routinely lambast an escort for using out-of-date pictures but when an escort uses a recent picture he gets lamabasted too."

 

I sure hope that lambast characterization wasn't directed at me. If it was, then, for the record: I love Scott's new photo and, I repeat, I was teasing him.

 

I agree with deej on double standards: hypocrites abound here (and everywhere else) but not all observation and/or critique is a "lambast." Furthermore, evil drama queens are never satisfied: deej should know this. The only reason they cry for more photos is to ridicule something new (unless they're smitten).

 

New photos are crucial in advertising to keep the "product" fresh and modern. That doesn't mean everyone will love the results, even die-hard fans. (I thought the Pottery Barn images of Benjamin Nicholas were awful but I'm still a fan.)

 

There are many decisions that go into all aspects of photography and, unless the escort is producing self-portraits, not all the choices are his. In the end, he has to choose which image gets published and then take the reaction that comes his way, no matter what level of collaboration existed. I have a feeling any new photo of Scott that shows skin, no matter how fabulous, would attract similar repartee as we see here, given Scott's stature and history on this board.

 

"We (the collective "we") howl about escorts who are not honest about their appearance, and then we howl about those who are honest."

 

There's very little honesty in photography. A camera lens is NOT the human eye. Everyone knows: the camera, especially certain lenses, add 10+ pounds to the subject. Every "beauty" actress in Hollywood is haunted by this fact. What the fuck is honest about an instant weight gain when you didn't eat a damn thing to enjoy it?

 

Then there's retouching. I won't even go there except to say—show me an escort who claims his photos aren't manipulated in some way and I'll show you:

1. A fool

2. A player who plays his customers for fools.

3. A liar

 

Honesty in advertising? Give me a break, deej.

[jackhammer91406]

First of all, nice pic Scott.

 

Second, I finally read the FFF thread referred to in this thread and while 3F may have thought he had a legitimate point to make about the response of the escort in question, he should have never introduced the race card. While he may think he is qualified to lecture on sociology, his whole take reeks of racism. While some found 3F's remarks to be witty, I found them offensive and I am white. He could have easily taken the escort down a peg (if he felt it was his duty-by the way, who appointed him again?) without using race to do it. By choosing to include a treatise on race and escorts (expanded to even greater length later) he really exposed himself for what he is (despite his claims) a racist. IMHO

[RockHard]

RE: Jay Ganymede's post.

 

Nice work, Jay. :-)

[SoCal]

Re: escort rates - seems to me like we could drive a Hyundai, or drive a Infiniti (enter your own lower/higher price car comparison here, lol). They both have four wheels, a steering wheel, engine, and get us from place to place in relative comfort and safety.

 

The market dictates the rates and the variety. If Scott wants to put his rate out there - let him. Why do many clients try to squeeze his rates into a personal comfortable pigeonhole like "I could hire two guys for his rate" or "escort X is SO much more versatile for a flat fee" or whatever . Most clients have a spending level they are comfortable with - I have no issue with that. But that doesn't mean you'll get the Infiniti with the Hyundai budget :-) :-)

 

Individual escort (and automobile!) comparisons aside - my point is *anyone* has the right to charge whatever they want, period. Clients can choose to pay that rate or not, that's our advantage in this scenario. An escort either will, or will not get clients at his quoted rate. The decision to manage that is in the escort's control.

 

I know what value is for my dollar, and value and cheap are not the same thing!

 

P.S. Yes, I'm a client and friend of Scott's, albeit we haven't seen each other for many months (going to change that SOON!).

[augustman]

First, do not care what others say I still like photo. I like having something to imagination and I do get turned on by a nice set of abs like Scott's.

 

Two not only is Jay right in his comments, but I have to say I FFF's post, I shocked at his statements and compliments received afterward and I just sat on my hands and said nothing. I ignored it. That was not right on my part and was tacit acceptance of what was said and for that I am ashamed at not saying something.

 

Third, lets see Scott's rate, I believe an escort has every right to charge what he wants and we as clients can say no. And I have turned guys down and never finish with a cheap comment about it. The market will deem appropriately. That said, do I dare stir things a bit and use Scott's favorite phrase,"One could try to negotiate a rate." Well we will agree to disagree on the use of that phrase.

[SAdler]

>To bring this back to the original post... a HOT picture.

>Others can debate your tummy but I personally like the pecs

>and nipples (always my weakness) that seem to look good to me

>in the pics.

 

Thanks babe You should still give it a chance in person

 

>As for quoted rates, you did quote me $350 an hour also when I

>was in LA, and that is were you started.

 

Again ... true. But the point I'm making here is that that is NOT my rate which is the premise of my rates STARTING at $250. Granted my rates are structured the least carefully they could be given this business and recent solicitation threads, but there are methods to my madness. My theory is that someone shouldn't have to pay for something they're not getting. Let's just say you and Lanky have similar tastes and that's why you were both quoted that rate. Now had there been other activities planned the rate would have been different.

 

I just realized this topic is expanded above ... might end up copying and pasting up there. Oh well.

 

::praying upward::

 

Please god dont let this become another escort fees thread

[Lankypeters]

>>To bring this back to the original post... a HOT picture.

>>Others can debate your tummy but I personally like the pecs

>>and nipples (always my weakness) that seem to look good to

>me

>>in the pics.

>

>Thanks babe You should still give it a chance in person

>

>

>>As for quoted rates, you did quote me $350 an hour also when

>I

>>was in LA, and that is were you started.

>

>Again ... true. But the point I'm making here is that that is

>NOT my rate which is the premise of my rates STARTING at $250.

> Granted my rates are structured the least carefully they

>could be given this business and recent solicitation threads,

>but there are methods to my madness. My theory is that

>someone shouldn't have to pay for something they're not

>getting. Let's just say you and Lanky have similar tastes and

>that's why you were both quoted that rate. Now had there been

>other activities planned the rate would have been different.

>

>I just realized this topic is expanded above ... might end up

>copying and pasting up there. Oh well.

>

>::praying upward::

>

>Please god dont let this become another escort fees thread

 

The points here and throughout are well taken: it's a free, open market for all sides (and tastes).

 

I'm signing off this one, wishing all concerned, most of all Mr. A, the very best in their pursuits and decisions.

 

You say "tomAto," I say "tomahto."

 

Really, why not scrutinize Mr. Bush. He needs scrutinizing. And maybe screwing. What would the world be like if some stud pounded his ass? He only thinks he's born again.

 

 

Lankypeters

[SAdler]

Surprisingly enough all this ISN'T the same as what I posted below so I'm more than happy to answer and respond to it.

 

A theme to keep in your mind as I respond will be the title I will FOREVER embrace and reclaim by Taylor, "hobby-hoe." I am strictly in this business as a hobby. I have a lot of fun doing what I do and I would hope as clients/friends in this thread agree that they can tell that. I dont see everyone that messages me just because they can't afford the rates -- a lot of time I don't forsee the personality meshing and the like. It won't be a good match. I want to continue to have fun in this biz and make sure that because I’m having fun my clients are doing the same.

 

That said …

 

>That must be about all he does for $250. When he was here in

>DC I inquired about his rates. With him topping it was $350

>and with him being top and bottom it was either $400 or $450.

 

No … but you’re right … I don’t do much if you get my drift. There are a lot of clients that simply want the escort to take the passive role while they do their thing to enjoy themselves … they of course expect a discount because the escort isn’t “doing much.” The masses on this board complain that I don’t negotiate or embrace reality … a past poster Uncle Bill said it best when he said that my rates are custom tailored for the occasion and nobody is ever paying more than they should. For my regulars I invented the frequent flyer program in that considering how often one might see me every couple weeks the rate is adjusted accordingly.

 

For first time and irregular clients those typically are my rates for those activities. The latter because more work and preparation is involved. If a client has the audacity to tell me they prepare just as much to bottom as to top then I really wouldn’t want to see them anyway if you get my drift

 

>He'd have to be a whole lot more exceptional and hung a whole

>lot bigger to warrant that kind of fee. That's far above the

>high end for escort fees in NYC from independents. D.C.'s

>average rate is definitely less than NYC.

 

Well considering I’m an instant threeway and can fuck and suck at the same time not to mention lacking a gag reflex … did I just say that? Anyway, I feel that my rates are perfectly fine for the services I’m offering Yes the rates are FAR above market for NYC and DC and I get reminded every time. But mind you I keep going back to those places because people want to see me thus I must be doing something right. Going off the car metaphor from SoCal … do you really think that you’re gonna tell a dealer that for that price (which even bargaining is way out of your league) you better be getting a Maserati? No, you politely decline and go to a different dealership or shop for a cheaper vehicle.

 

>Shoot - Kristian of Houston and LA never charged anywhere near

>that rate, had 10 1/2 inches and was always completely

>versatile for me and I saw him 4 or 5 times. Brett Holt is

>hung bigger and is a total sex pig at $250 per hour. Tommy

>Ritter is hung nine inches, cut and thick and is so versatile

>and gets so into sex, that I've seen him seven or eight times

>and he gets better each time I see him - $250 per hour and not

>a clock watcher.

 

More on cars … I have slept with two out of three of those and enjoyed every cock sucking ass pounding minute. Knowing them professionally past and present it’s funny you would even compare us. They are both AMAZING in bed and have amazing cocks and bodies. They are wonderful guys and don’t think I’m being catty by saying that we are two different entities in the escort world. I’m a hobby hoe and that is their only source of income. Hell I try to hook up with one of them whenever it’s possible but he’s too busy looking for clients or saving it to meet up. I totally understand and respect that but there is your main difference. If I see more than one person per day (even on vacation) it’s a miracle. I just don’t do that. I see one person per day max, sometimes even two or three max per week … not out of necessity but out of choice. That’s something that I’m sure aforementioned could say. Again, I love them to pieces and don’t want any of that to have come out like I’m attacking them in any way but we’re just completely different escorts with totally different styles and goals.

 

Further commentary on why that clock watcher comment was totally unnecessary because that is the supreme thing that I am NOT. I have a frequent flyer that’s always ansy to leave because he is taking up my time on a two hour appointment at the one hour and two minute mark. I could always just kick him out and still get paid for two hours but that’s not my style. The people I see I ENJOY hanging out with and am happy to stretch anything out within reason.

 

>Scott doesn't like his rates to be listed because they are so

>high for vanilla - sorry, to me top and bottom is vanilla. If

>you advertise as versatile then be versatile - and not at a

>charge of $150 to $200 over your "starting at" rate.

 

I don’t want them listed because I don’t want someone who only wants to service me to think that he’s going to have to pay $200 to do so. The value of my time differs depending how much preparation goes into an appointment, simple as that.

 

>Sorry - I'd rather see two other escorts that I know are great

>in bed for the same price or $50 to $100 more for both.

 

And that’s your choice. No need to be condescending or make incorrect accusations like calling a clock watcher.

[Lankypeters]

Well I know I signed off of this topic, but just one more point. Reading over Mr. A's posts, I detect at the core a certain sweetness and ingenuousness, qualities that can't be faked. I wish him well and apologize if I fanned anything here in this out of control brush fire.

 

Let's move on.

 

 

Lankypeters

[SAdler]

::quietly sucking my thumb in the corner while licking a lolly and waiting for my plane::

 

Sweet? Me?

 

Tank yew mistuh Lanky

[Rick Munroe]

I love the new pic. We just saw Scott right before Gay Pride and he looks just like that (actually, I think that's the most accurate picture of him I've seen, since I've never seen him with his feet up over his head :o ).

 

I love how, on the home page here, it seems like Scott is looking up adoringly at my ass. It's like the escort version of the Brady Bunch opening credits.

 

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-7/1195947/scott.jpg

[SAdler]

RE: Drama queens.

 

>Oh. come on! I'm can't be the only one around here who knows

>how to have a little fun.

 

Apparently the rest of us haven’t latched on to your unique special brand of “fun”

 

>Of course, I was pinching Scott's nipple with my post and SO

>WHAT if I was referring to harmless "private" dialogue to

>further twist my pinch. I'm NOT the only one around here who

>knows how to actuate a little drama. (Btw, it worked.)

 

First off … yes … I’m going on record people … I HATE MY NIPPLES PLAYED WITH. OK, anyway The point is that if I wanted everyone and their mother to know about what you wrote I would have addressed it in context. Instead you took a concept and twisted something beside my nipple into saying my pix were inaccurate and I had a belly … see quote below. Congrats on creating drama but there’s a difference at creating drama for drama’s sake and doing it to affect someone else.

 

>"Accusation?" "Falsified?" Oh, puhhhhleeeeeze, don't make me

>laugh so hard. It hurts.

 

Hmmm. The only bar Woodlawn passed was a lesbian bar? Still laughing? Hmm, I got nothing. Damn.

 

>But it sure was fun.

 

Congrats on amusing yourself, next time may I suggest porn?

 

>And the point I was making is that Scott would be an AWFUL

>model if he DID NOT suck-in his stomach during a naked-torso

>shot. NO model, worth ANY credential, steps in front of a

>camera, sans shirt, and lets a photographer snap a picture

>without the model's abs clenched. I stand by my loving,

>complimentary "accusation." :-)

 

“You can almost feel him holding-in his flabby tummy. I think the pouch is cute.”

 

You may have MEANT that but the quote above doesn’t refer to modeling techniques in any way shape or form. You literally called my tummy flabby and didn’t reference stomach sucked in or abs clenched. What pouch? A fictitious pouch that you made up simply to attempt to be amusing or cause controversy.

 

>I think it's pretty well known around these parts that I think

>Scott is sexy and adorable. But I'm never blinded by my

>affections and a truly smart escort would NEVER underestimate

>my "insights."

 

Oy. Insights. Is THAT what you were calling those. I’m definitely a fan of seeing is believing. I see nothing insightful or physical at this point dear. Appreciate your feelings for me but … eh … you know which positions I take aside from on top or between legs.

 

>ps I am truly disappointed that Scott felt the need to call me

>"Rockhead" when my only motive was to have fun. The derogatory

>term reminds me of another uncreative, self-absorbed,

>bad-business escort. I would hate to get Scott confused with

>him.

 

Honey – I was trying to EMBRACE it for you as a term to be used when points of view don’t mesh. Don’t be so sensitive

 

>I sure hope that lambast characterization wasn't directed at

>me. If it was, then, for the record: I love Scott's new photo

>and, I repeat, I was teasing him.

 

Well dear. Perhaps we need to teach you emoticons or to FINISH a teasing thought else things comes across as lambaste (with an “e” according to Word kids)

 

>New photos are crucial in advertising to keep the "product"

>fresh and modern. That doesn't mean everyone will love the

>results, even die-hard fans. (I thought the Pottery Barn

>images of Benjamin Nicholas were awful but I'm still a fan.)

 

Hmmm … I think I missed those.

 

>There are many decisions that go into all aspects of

>photography and, unless the escort is producing

>self-portraits, not all the choices are his. In the end, he

>has to choose which image gets published and then take the

>reaction that comes his way, no matter what level of

>collaboration existed. I have a feeling any new photo of Scott

>that shows skin, no matter how fabulous, would attract similar

>repartee as we see here, given Scott's stature and history on

>this board.

 

The irony was that that particular photo was totally my choice hence the light flare in the bottom left. I made a novice error with telling the photographer light placement and lens choice. That particular photo also happened to be ten minutes before I walked into his studio (before the shower shots which a few of you have been lucky enough to see ) and started the actually shoot.

 

>There's very little honesty in photography. A camera

>lens is NOT the human eye. Everyone knows: the camera,

>especially certain lenses, add 10+ pounds to the subject.

>Every "beauty" actress in Hollywood is haunted by this fact.

>What the fuck is honest about an instant weight gain when you

>didn't eat a damn thing to enjoy it?

 

Bloating? I was just getting off my period about that time.

 

>Then there's retouching. I won't even go there except to

>say—show me an escort who claims his photos aren't manipulated

>in some way and I'll show you:

>1. A fool

>2. A player who plays his customers for fools.

>3. A liar

 

Well the only retouching on THAT photo are a couple stubble spots, freckles, and of course my watermark because people on gay.com are evil.

 

> Give me a break, deej.

 

Break me off a piece of that KIT KAT BAR!!!!

[SAdler]

OMG! LOL. I just squirted Milk all over my magazine. DAMN YOU MONROE! DAMN YOU!

[Rick Munroe]

>OMG! LOL. I just squirted Milk

 

Laughing makes you shoot your load? We really do have a lot in common, don't we? :+

[SAdler]

No dear ... I shot precum out my dick staring at me staring at your ass but I shot milk out my nose.

[Rick Munroe]

Works for me! }(

[RockHard]

RE: Scott Adler's shooting pre-cum...

 

I believe it's spelled M-u-n-r-o-e. :-)

[IceFireWizard]

Enjoy the gym, Scotty