Fin Fang Foom And Bruno Gaucho's Rates

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

So Bruno is finally washing up on our shores. I had forgotten what his rates were so I decided to check them out.

 

I have been one of his biggest champions on this board but I think his price structure is that of a hustler and not an "escort".

 

His overnights are $1000, starting at 6pm and ending at 7AM(!).

 

Let's do the math.

 

Based upon his rates, if you want your waking money's worth, you will have to stay awake until 2am. I would make sure that Bruno is fully prepared to be up ALL NIGHT getting his ass planked before you write that $1000 check. I've never done an overnight, and frankly wouldn't want one - I like to sleep alone. Do overnights always end at the hairy crack of dawn? I would expect someone to stay until at least 9am.

 

He says he has a two-hour minimum at $400 because: "I like to get to know my clients, and I like to be able to give each one my full attention. I think that is best, both for me and for the client. For that reason, I usually schedule only one client per day, and my minimum appointment is 2 hours." Uh huh. Please take special note of the use of the word "usually".

 

I'll betcha when the first couple of weeks are over and all the major horndogs have hired him and his phone isn't ringing off the hook, he'll be happy to schedule one-hour appointments. He's obviously hungry for the money and would be a fool not to pick up a quick $250 (or even $200) here and there.

 

He's smartly capitalizing on his "celebrity" status, however, I think he will quickly learn that we're a finicky group of bitches and although he may be the pretty new girl in the class now, we quickly begin looking to see if there's a prettier girl down the hall.

 

Forever yours,

 

FFF

[+ glutes]

Well 3F, I'll have you know I'm sitting in Rio right now dressed in your trademark 'full frock', the boa would be a little too 'caliente' right now.

In Brunos arrival post by BrazilNut I asked the question 'Ï wonder if he'll be charging the $13 and change they charge for a session here' and was responded to, well - you can look.

If I hadn't been down here prior to Brunos arrival I too would have been renting a suite at the Plaza or Trump Tower for this International Meeting. But do the math:

$400/session for Bruno, his usual 'only' of the day (he wants to get to know his client, and dosen't speak English?)

$300/room in NYC

$300/ RT airfare to NYC, or fly him to you? (Probably wants Business class)

_______

$1000/Total

For that amount you can get airfare, 5 nights accomadation (includes breakfast), and bang a multitude of boys as cute as Bruno.

I'm just laying out an experianced option.

glutes

[DallasTony]

Seems like this guy is being Managed/Promoted by Brazil Nut and as he is only doing Outside calls I think we can assume he is not staying in a Hotel. I wonder where he is staying the nights he is not charging $1000.

 

I agree save the $1000 and fly down to Brazil and Argentina, Guys in Buenos Aires are now around $30 an hour, much the same as the Saunas in Sao Paulo.

 

I wonder what Brazil Nuts Cut of Brunos earning is ?

 

There are enough overpriced Guys in NYC do you really need another Import Ladies [Apologies to FFF]

 

Incidentally during B and B weekend in Montreal privates went up to C$300/US$200 by the Stock Bar guys, maybe it's to pay for the new location. I saw the noted Apple Red Porsche near the Club Sandwich but no sign of super cutie Ken at StockBar. Anybody know if he has retired.

 

Dallas Tony in BUE only 6 weeks to go.

[marc anthony]

>

>Based upon his rates, if you want your waking money's worth,

>you will have to stay awake until 2am. I would make sure

>that Bruno is fully prepared to be up ALL NIGHT getting his

>ass planked before you write that $1000 check. I've never

>done an overnight, and frankly wouldn't want one - I like to

>sleep alone. Do overnights always end at the hairy crack of

>dawn? I would expect someone to stay until at least 9am.

 

FFF: I love overnights, and 1000 is the usual rate. The structure varies, but most escorts stay about 10-12 hours. So if you start early like Bruno is, you would finish early. Of course, if you are up late fucking away, don't be surprised if everybody sleeps a little later.

 

I love overnights because I like to cuddle and spoon. Typically (since I am a top), I fuck the escort to my hearts content, then we fall asleep cuddling, then wake up in the morning for another early and final fuck. It really is fun, and for me, well worth the 1000.

 

>

>He says he has a two-hour minimum at $400 because: "I like

>to get to know my clients, and I like to be able to give

>each one my full attention. I think that is best, both for

>me and for the client. For that reason, I usually schedule

>only one client per day, and my minimum appointment is 2

>hours." Uh huh. Please take special note of the use of the

>word "usually".

>

 

I actually like 2 hour appts as well, so I don't blame Bruno for wanting this as well. It is kind of fun to at least "pretend" you are on a real date and actually converse with the escort before you jump in bed and fuck for money. I like that, anyway, and prefer more than one hour appointments.

 

 

>He's smartly capitalizing on his "celebrity" status,

>however, I think he will quickly learn that we're a finicky

>group of bitches and although he may be the pretty new girl

>in the class now, we quickly begin looking to see if there's

>a prettier girl down the hall.

>

>Forever yours,

>

>FFF

 

Finally, I just think you should cut Bruno a little slack FFF. He has received so much adulation on this board, he really would be a FOOL not to try and do well here during his short (and given the visa difficulties maybe the only for a while) visit to the US. YOu may be correct, that after a couple of weeks, his payment structure may change when all the initial interest wanes. But why would he want to miss out on people willing to pay premium for the novelty of his visit?

 

Anyway, unfortunately, I won't be near NYC during his trips, so I will miss out. But believe me, if I were there, I would be one of those "groupies" rushing out to email him to reserve my overnight. And I am fairly sure I would love every minute of it!

[+ Lucky]

Asking FFF to show some restraint is like putting a mouse in front of a snake! Poor Bruno is really in for it now!

 

(Disclaimer: This remark was meant to be taken lightly. The snake is used as analogy and does not represent any poster mentioned herein!)

:-)

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>Finally, I just think you should cut Bruno a little slack

>FFF. He has received so much adulation on this board, he

>really would be a FOOL not to try and do well here during

>his short (and given the visa difficulties maybe the only

>for a while) visit to the US.

 

I agree. It may seem like I'm taking him to task by calling him a hustler but I'm not. It's totally within his rights (maybe that's the wrong word) to charge as much as he wants. I simply think it's transparent what he's really doing and it might come back to bite him on the ass - and not in a good way.

 

Clarifyingly yours,

 

FFF

[Guest Mr Big]

Gee Tony I can't believe the rotten luck you have had with Ken. Seems like everytime I go up there I always see him either on the street or at STOCK. Guess it is the law of averages since I am no longer interested in him and you are.

 

I always pay my guys $300 CD the only time I ever paid less was with one of the Adonis dancers who is now all over the Internet so glad I got him before he became popular.

[+ glutes]

I think there was a post possibly in this forumn about international rates, and my input was 'Local prices for local services'. If Senor Gaucho can grab $400/2hours or $1000/12hours, so be it. But I agree w/ 3F that this will come back to bite him in his cute hinie, so be it.

And what is Brazil Nuts'cut???

[Guest alanm]

I have been to Rio twice & enjoyed the low prices myself.

 

There's a different price structure in NY, so why should Bruno charge less than other escorts in the city?

 

Perhaps Fin Fang Foom has too much time on his hands because his endless postings on Kristian and now Bruno are getting tiresome. I have not known FFF's other targets. But, I do know Kristian & resent FFF's deconstruction of his e-mails,when he is in trouble. Now FFF has turned his venom on Bruno. FFF: take some time away from this site and have some fun!

[Guest SeaGuy]

I am of one mind with Marc Anthony and Bruno. I never hire for less than two hours as I like to take time to warm up, explore and get aquainted with each others erogenous zones, ease into fucking, etc. As far as rates go; Bruno will charge what he feels comfortable charging if he doesn't have any takers he'll take appropriate action.

[Chuck50]

FFF now I can see why you sleep alone HUGS Chuck

[Guest fukamarine]

>FFF now I can see why you sleep alone HUGS Chuck

 

When you make a bitchy remark to someone why do you sign it

"HUGS" Chuck?

 

Does this (a) salve your conscience for being such a bitch, (b) serve to emphasize the remark by adding a final touch of sarcasm ©tend to void the bitchiness of the remark by adding a touch of levity or (d) All of the above?

 

You come off as being just as bitter as FFF

 

fukamarine

[handyandy]

Deconstructing F3’s De(con)struction of BG’s Rates

 

Sometimes a pained outcry about rates or attitude or behaviour is warranted, but in the case of FFF's diatribe against Bruno and his rates, it is not. Let's look at the facts (for a change).

 

1. Quite a while ago Bruno listed rates on his site - different in Brazil and in America. America was min. 2 hours $400, 3 hours $500. The same as now. This is nothing new. That provoked a thread here not unlike this one and the subject was driven into the ground then. Why do it over again?

 

2. The general consensus here in many threads in many places has been that escorts should charge the going rate for where they are. Where they come from makes no difference. What do you expect to pay per hour or for an overnight in New York? Are you seriously trying to claim that $250 for the first hour sliding down to $100, and $1000 for an overnight is high in NYC? Get real!

 

3. Is Bruno charging the going rate for New York??? How could we find out??? Is there a place where a random sample of current escort rates is available for comparison??? Where could we find something like that??? Oh, *I* know -- maybe on M4M ER..................

Let's go to the electronic tape.....................

 

From the *current* Newest Reviews section -- a tabulation of ALL the NYC escorts reviewed, starting from today (10/24) and going back to Saturday (10/19). This is *not* an edited list (and I hope I didn't skip over anyone inadvertently). Some also have an earlier recent review included for a different amount of time (1 hour and overnight, etc).

 

Summary: 23 escorts, 29 prices/reviews (one escort had separate in/out prices and was included as 1/2 in each place)

 

1-hour prices (22 total):

$300 - 1 (Jay Martinez)

$280 - 1 (Miguel Leonn)

$275 - 1 (Jon Ramsey - was in NYC and is listed that way in Newest Reviews)

$250 - 11.5 (Gary Niarchos, Nick, Steve #3, Blain Baxter, Will, Dillon Daily, john Williams, Renn, Steve Roberts, Chase, Dylan #2, ParrishNYC (out),

$200 - 5.5 (Buck, David, Graham, Mico Valentine, ParrishNYC (in), Brandon Aldrich)

$150 - 1 (Matheus)

$125 - 1 (Johnny)

 

longer times:

weekend - $3000 (Renn)

overnight - $1500 (Blain Baxter)

overnight - $1200 (john Williams)

overnight - $1200 (Chad)

overnight - $800 (Steve #3)

4 hours - $750 (Renn)

2 hours - $400 (Nick)

 

One of these guys (Steve#3) was charging $150/hr in August BEFORE he moved to NYC (was in Syracuse) and then $250/hr in September AFTER he moved to NYC (see his reviews #3 and 4).

 

Bruno sounds like he's RIGHT IN LINE with other NYC escorts, even cheap for overnights and other longer appointments by NYC prices.

 

By the way, another Brazilian visiting the US recently:

Escort's Name: Ernani

Review #8, 9/17/2002

Location: San Francisco

Rates: 250 (US)

 

4. Bruno's overnights are listed as 13 hours. How long do you expect an overnight to be? Do you really expect more than 13 hours? And $1000 looks cheap compared to other NYC escorts.

 

5. Bruno is not the only escort to list a 2 hour minimum. It's not that common, but it has been seen here before.

 

6. Just what is it that makes his price structure "that of a hustler and not an 'escort'", FFF? It looks to me a lot like the price structure of most other NY escorts.

 

>He's obviously hungry for the money...

 

says FFF, whereas, of course, other escorts do it just for the betterment of mankind.

 

>He's smartly capitalizing on his "celebrity" status...

 

says FFF. Are the guys listed above from this week's reviews also "celebrities" too? Most of them have the same rates or higher.

 

Take a pill, FFF. His rates are nothing new and nothing out of the ordinary for New York.

 

Why are you descending on him with such fury?

[Traveller]

Gound Control to Major Tom

 

>Why are you descending on him with such fury?

 

Having been with only, well let's say, 12 or 13 Brazilians in NYC in the last 30 days, any guy that requires 2 hours up front is a HUSTLER. And it will probably take less than the 2 weeks F3 predicted for this HUSTLER'S rates to come down. Clue in dude.

 

Later.

[trilingual]

RE: Gound Control to Major Tom

 

If you find Bruno's prices out of line, don't hire him. If you can't afford him, you can find something in your price range at the bookstore on 8th Ave. & 34th. Say the $20 - $40 range. Of course, your encounter may only last about 15 minutes, but you get what you pay for.

 

If Bruno's prices are unrealistic, he'll find out rapidly enough and make appropriate adjustments. That's how the marketplace works, and I'd say that escorting is a business where virtually pure capitalism is the order of the day.

[adriano46]

RE: Gound Control to Major Tom

 

Concerning market rates,

 

Some months back the rates in Eastern Europe/Russia began to slowly rise - as more of the local guys perhaps traveled west for vacations (London, Amsterdam, Berlin etc...) and figured out they could make more.

 

However... once they raised their rates back "home", the phones apparently stopped ringing.

 

Now in Moscow, for instance, looks like we are having a price war and rates are back to the usual $50-100/hour $200-300 overnight.

 

I always considered buying what I could afford - and if the price was too high, shopping around for something more reasonable. To my happy surprise, one of the best escorts in this region finally LOWERED his rates 20-25%! Now we are negotiating!!

 

Oh - not that this belongs here, but here is the newest stable in Moscow for those interested:

 

[http://gayintim.com/mod.htm]

[Donnie]

RE: Gound Control to Major Tom

 

>Having been with only, well let's say, 12 or 13 Brazilians

>in NYC in the last 30 days

 

Is this bragging or a cry for help? One shudders to think of what must be dripping out of your incontinent overused hole at this point. Thanks for documenting your downward spiral.

[handyandy]

Earth to Traveller

 

>Having been with only, well let's say, 12 or 13 Brazilians

>in NYC in the last 30 days, any guy that requires 2 hours up

>front is a HUSTLER. And it will probably take less than the

>2 weeks F3 predicted for this HUSTLER'S rates to come down.

 

 

Oh – so you mean that Brazilians as a class aren’t worth spending 2 hours with? Or maybe that you use them for "wham, bam, thank you ma'm" and don't need 2 hours? Your experience with "12 or 13 Brazilians in NYC in the last 30 days" tells you that you should be done in only 1 hour?

 

And his *rates* are normal, most even a little low for NY. It's apparently not his *rates* that you're really worked up about, but his 2-hour minimum.

 

You seem to have a very peculiar definition of 'hustler'.

Is an escort who only does overnights a hustler?

 

'Hustler' to most people especially around here means at its best a cheap guy for a quickie in the men's room and at its worst a scam artist who will take your money and run. How does that fit with a guy who wants to take *more* time, not less with a client, and who has a record of good reviews (is not a scammer like some others we have seen here)?

 

I think you and FFF ought to be a lot more careful about how you throw around loaded words like 'hustler'.

 

I agree that the 2-hour minimum makes Bruno expensive, and I'm not happy about it either. He's out of my price range, and I won't be able to hire him. But that doesn't make him a hustler. And I have enough self-control not to vent my spleen over it.

[handyandy]

Today's rates for NYC

 

For the record, here are the latest rates for the entire NYC contingent from today's (10/25) new reviews (no, I'm not going to keep doing this every day):

 

Escort's Name: Cody #2

Location: New York

Rates For Time: $250 per hour

 

Escort's Name: Dino

Location: New York City

Rates: $220

 

Escort's Name: Travis

Location: NYC

Rate For Time: 1200 overnight

his HOURLY rate from the previous review (August 02): Rate For Time: 300/hr

[Cooper]

RE: TWO HOUR MINIMUM RATE...

 

The "2 hour minimum rate" certainly DOES NOT benefit the client. This recent gimmick proposed by a few escorts is a last ditch attempt to raise their rates during these difficult economic times. Some might call it "hustling" others might see it as survival.

 

Personally, I really don't see an escort to get "acquainted". I'm with him for only one reason, and once that task has been performed, I'm out of there (usually in under an hour)... I also would find it very difficult, if staying 2 hours, to discuss "current affairs" with someone who doesn't speak English. Imagine trying to explain to him what an actuary is! :-)

 

This past week I was with one of the boy's from Brazil. Nice guy, great looking, and very satisfying...BUT, his English was very limited. Certainly not a deterrent to what we were up to, but to spend time getting acquainted??? I don't think so!

 

As for Bruno, I'd love to hook up with him, but not on those ground rules.

 

Out to Trav, Good going with those Latins. My count is 7 for the month (with 6 days to go). But tell me, how does BF fit into the picture?

[Guest Brazil Nut]

RE: Bruno Gaucho

 

Open note to Dallas Tony (post 2) and glutes (post 7), who seem unduly concerned about this:

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am only a friend who was asked to help him with his English, since I have been in correspondence with him. And because everything started happening very fast when his visa broke loose and his trip is coming up very soon, he asked me to announce it here before he was able to revise his website and post his announcement in the Escort Travel section. No big mystery.

 

Bruno is his own boy. He is not "being managed" by me and my "cut" is 0%. So I also don't have a stake in what his rates are or how many clients he has, although I wish him success; 0% of anything is still 0. Besides, getting a cut would be pimping, and that's illegal, isn't it?

 

Aside from being gorgeous and hot, Bruno is a nice kid and doesn't deserve the shit that he is getting in this thread from some people. And he certainly doesn't deserve being called a hustler. If you don't like cold weather don't go to Alaska, and if you think Bruno is too expensive hire someone else.

[LAShowbiz]

RE: Bruno Gaucho

 

I saw Bruno Gaucho (not work-wise) during my trip to Rio last August. He's a nice looking kid and got thumbs up from his clients. He seems to be very honest and upfront.

 

This is NOTHING wrong with his rates. He is limiting himself to certain times probably because he's not a sex monster... do you really think he wants 12 one hour appointments per day? The kid is on a holiday... did it ever occur to critics that he MAY want to explore America besides working 24/7.

 

Bruno Gaucho is lucky and has the opportunity to visit America. Damn right he should charge the going rates in NYC. Who can honestly expect him to charge 5o reais (US $13 something) while in America?

 

As trilingual said, if you don't like the rates, don't hire him. No point in trying to undermine him.

 

I will attest that Brazilian men are some of THE MOST passionate men in the world... worth every penny (whether you're paying Brazilian or US rates).

 

Also, remember, NY escorts don't have the extra monetary burden of an international flight, hotel expenses, spending money, etc. What they earn, they keep... Bruno has plenty of expenses prior to making it to the US.

 

Cut him some slack... he's too young (looks 20) for me, but he's a good guy.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Bruno Gaucho

 

"Bruno Gaucho is lucky"

Damn, my secret is out!:7

[Guest fukamarine]

RE: Bruno Gaucho

 

>I will attest that Brazilian men are some of THE MOST

>passionate men in the world... worth every penny (whether

>you're paying Brazilian or US rates).

 

If he promises to wear his mask,

I'd pay him double his asking price! :-)

 

fukamarine

[+ Axiom2001]

RE: Bruno Gaucho

 

"Good on you," LA.... ...very well said, and I'd hope that the men will let Mr. Gaucho rest, an individual who seemingly has really gotten the "shits" on this website from some patrons who are possessed with some strange, unexplainable quirk. "Leave the "boy"/man alone!