2 questions for escort

[mmk]

I have two questions (hence the name of my post)

Question #1 - I have seen some people's response that they tip. Now is that neccessary. If I am paying somebody 150.00 to 300.00 an hour for escorting, is it neccessary to give them more? I do not mean to sound cheap but there are three people in life I will tip generously and they are my waiter/waitress(They are bringing me food and I was one years ago so I am empathetic),my bartender(they are giving me alcohol-nuff said) and the girl who cuts my hair (this one doesn't need explained)

Question 2# - If an escort shows up at your door and they are a far cry from there picture are if they balatantly lied to you about what they looked like (the I do not own a mirror syndrome) is it appropriate to say right then and there "This isn't going to work" and send them away. Is there any need to give them any money if that situation happens?(I say no but I could be wrong.)

[Guest DVS]

This question has been made several times on the board. Tipping is something you do for appreciation. It also sometimes will elevate your status when booking a popular escort since you will get the Red Carpet Treatment.

 

If you tip however be careful in what you tip because future visits will require tip too to maintain a good relationship. For instance if you give a $100 tip which may seem extreme but sometimes lets face it the service was just elite then this could create a problem on future visits since the escort will wonder why he didn't get the same tip.

 

 

Next your question on should you pay if the pic is not even close to the actual thing I say no however this may spark debate since opinions vary vastly from person perceptions. If you feel that you may have improperly looked at the photo when selecting and now are not interested than some money should be given for your lack of research.

 

Escorts are people too and this is a form of rejection albeit that should be professional and this would be water under the bridge put yourself in their shoes. Again if the picture was an obvious fake or very dated than show him the door with no prize.

 

Happy Hiring! :-)

 

Danny

[Guest JT]

>Question #1 - I have seen

>some people's response that they

>tip. Now is that

>neccessary. If I am

>paying somebody 150.00 to 300.00

>an hour for escorting, is

>it neccessary to give them

>more? I do not

>mean to sound cheap but

>there are three people in

>life I will tip generously

>and they are my waiter/waitress(They

>are bringing me food and

>I was one years ago

>so I am empathetic),my bartender(they

>are giving me alcohol-nuff said)

>and the girl who cuts

>my hair (this one doesn't

>need explained)

 

Hi mmk, I'm not an escort but I may be able to help you locate the answers to your 1st question on this board. Please click the "search" link above (the one above the message box) and do a search on the "Keywords" such as "tipping" or "tip". You may choose to search "all forums", "all fields", and "the archived threads".

 

 

>Question 2# - If an escort

>shows up at your door

>and they are a far

>cry from there picture are

>if they balatantly lied to

>you about what they looked

>like (the I do not

>own a mirror syndrome) is

>it appropriate to say right

>then and there "This isn't

>going to work" and send

>them away. Is there

>any need to give them

>any money if that situation

>happens?(I say no but I

>could be wrong.)

 

You may do a search on this issue as well. The topic has been discussed extensively by both escorts and clients. Good luck!

 

JT

[Guest DCescortBOY]

1) not necessary, but always appreciated. if you think you've gotten exceptional service, go for it.

2) at least give half of what was agreed.

[Guest]

Escorts usually set an appropriate charge for their services. They are not earning minimum wage like waiters or bartenders, and should not be depending on tips any more than a lawyer or a plumber. That being said, if I feel the escort went beyond the call of duty or if he's seriously undercharging because he's starting out, I've been known to tip. Examples have included a very sweet escort who only charged me $80 (I tipped $40), or escorts who've spent extra time with me without charging.

I would generally not tip, however, an escort who charges premium prices ($200/hr or more) because he's earning plenty, and he SHOULD be delivering premium services at that price. I think most escorts would be more flattered by a positive review here, or "sponsoring" him (or just plain hiring him again). I've even had escorts turn down tips.

If an escort misleads you either via an old and inaccurate picture, a fake picture, or a blatantly false description, I think you should inform him you were deceived, and owe him nothing. That holds even if there's no picture involved. I once went to the place of a guy who described himself as "muscular." Well, not only was the guy not handsome, but he was skin and bones. It's hard to argue with someone who just says he's "handsome," but in this case he specifically described himself as muscular, and he was one of the least muscular people I've even seen. I just said "I'm sorry. You described yourself as muscular in the ad. This isn't going to work out." He was upset, but I don't have any sympathy for liars. If anything, the escort should pay YOU if he deceives you, because you wasted your time because of his deceit. I know lots of escorts exaggerate, especially when it comes to age (a certain agency comes to mind). The fact that it's done a lot doesn't make it OK. If the escort's misrepresentation affects your decision as to whether you want to hire him or not, it's certainly not your responsibility.

Which brings to mind another caveat. I don't invite escorts to my home unless I'm pretty sure about them (multiple reliable positive reviews here).

[Rod Hagen]

If I wanted $1100 for an overnight, I should ask for $1100 not $1000. We set our own prices, so expecting a tip is ridiculous. However, here are some suggestions for showing your escort your appreciation in ways that will make the overnight better for both of you: an afternoon together getting massages and resting in the hot tubs in the hotel spa is very romantic, and dinner at the 21 club is especially flattering. Instead of overnighting at the Chelsea Savoy, invite your escort to stay with you at the St. Regis (or on the left coast replace Savoy and St. Regis with Ramada followed by Shutters. And a good time will be had by all. GOODNIGHT.

 

-Hagen

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"I will seek out these androids, and I

will break them with my bare hands!"

[ted]

2- If the escort hasn't looked like his picture in 10 years, has added more than 10 pounds to the waistline, or is not the guy in the picture, you owe him cab fare-or subway fare home, period. And some may debate whether they should get that

[Guest cp8036]

<2) at least give half of what was agreed. >

 

I would have to disagree to some extent, on the suggestion a turned away escort should get 50%.

 

If upon arriving, you see someone that is clearly different than what he represented with descriptions and photos, you were lied to. In that case, I don't think a deceptive escort should get any money.

 

However, if the real person and the photo vary slightly, or his idea of good-looking is a bit different than yours, is not really issue of deception. Just an issue of you are not impressed with the person. Then, I would think some money is due for the effort to that point. But, 50%, that seems bit generous, maybe $20-40.00 for travel. $20 for less than an hour's work is not bad compared to other jobs. The fee for a regular appointment is deserved as there is some service, performance, and also you have set aside your personal tastes to accomodate this client. If the full rate is $200.00, and you are turned away, $100.00 is ok? Pretty easy for 5 minutes of contact. You are free to do something else.

 

Yes, there is commute time, but we all face that issue in our jobs, and most of us don't get paid for it. (assumes the escort call was local). I've spent many hours at airports to/from business trips waiting for late flights. They cut into my time, but I don't receive compensation.

 

Yes, being rejected based on your appearance is insulting, and probably hard to deal with. But, escorts sell their time/selves, so they have made this a business. The turn away is business, not personal. Any client who does this should do so with respect for the guy's feelings.

 

Yes, could have booked some other job, and got paid. You lost time and opportunity. But, that happens all over the business world. Often salespeople devote time on a sale, and don't close. All the work was for nothing. It is a cost of sales.

 

From what I hear, this issue doesn't come up a lot with professional escorts. So, if happens 1 out of 25 calls, it should not be too big of a problem. But, if an escort finds that he gets turned away often, he should consider if he is right for the business.

 

I wondered about this issue when comes to escorts that don't send their face photo. They have not misrespented with an older photo, nor have they lied by saying they are good-looking (sure many find him attractive). But, key is that he is not your type, and not someone you want to hire. Clients expect a lot, and have an idea of what this fantasy or treat will be like.

 

Previously, I met an escort that didn't provide any pics. We met, and he was not at all attractive to me. I wondered why should I pay for someone that I wouldn't even see on a non-commercial basis. His personality wasn't winning me over either. But, still I proceeded with the appointment and paid the full fee. He watched a porno and jerked off, while I worked on a report.

[+ Charlie]

If the escort does not look anything like his picture (and the picture is a good, clear one) or does not come close to statistics like height, weight, or age, then you have been purposely misled, and I don't think he has a right to expect any compensation if he is turned away. On the other hand, if the description he gave was subjective ("handsome", "well built", "boy next door", etc.), then he may have a legitimate claim on some compensation for his time. If you look at it from the escort's point of view, you may be some flake who is just capriciously calling off a deal that he has genuinely committed to.

 

How much compensation is a trickier calculation. If he has traveled to you, he deserves an appropriate amount for travel time and expense. If you have gone to him, a minimal payment for the time he has invested in preparation is all that is required. Unfortunately, you're not likely to agree on what is the appropriate amount, so prepare for some unpleasantness.

[Guest dcdave]

RE: #1 - I totally agree with Rod. I don't tip my lawyer, accountant or banker. If escorting is a professional service, then tips should not be expected. In long standing client-escort relationships, gifts at appropriate times would seem more appropriate. Birthdays, Christmas, etc.

 

RE: #2 - Total deception - send his ass packing with no money. Old photo but the same person - cab fare.

 

Dave

[Guest ChicagoCorey]

1) Tip if you want to do so, but as so many have said, no one expects it. It is nice though, and definitely means a lot to the escort. It also means a lot though if you let him know you had a nice time. One never gets tired of compliments, I think.

 

2) If a guy doesn't meet your expectations, you don't owe them anything but a polite "no thanks" when they arrive. That type of judgment is part of the profession. Yes, it may seem cruel to the escort and it may be a pain in the ass for him to travel to you for nothing, but that's part of the business. You have every right to make a "face-to-face" judgment upon arrival.

 

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[Guest ChicagoHotDad]

I would only tip if the service was exceptional, and I was paying

normal $150-$175 rates. If the escort is charging premium rates of $200 hour or more, then exceptional service should be expected and no need for tips. I agree one has to be very careful in tipping if you intend to see the escort again, as he will more than likely always expect the same tip.

 

If a escorts picture is a obvious fake or lie, then I wouldn't even offer him cab fare and in all reality should ask him for $ to compensate me for my wasted time. I would give him cab fare if the picture just was a bit off and not my type.

[+ Lucky]

Thanks, Rod, for saying something I agree with! If one sees an escort over a longer term, gifts are fine expressions of appreciation. Otherwise, the rate set by the escort is the rate he feels his services deserve.

(What is this with the fancy hotels?)

[marc anthony]

I do tip in many circumstances for the following reasons:

 

1) The escort, unlike the other professionals mentioned as analogies, takes personal risk daily to be available to meet my sexual desires. He needs to worry about both law enforcement and fringe clientele that could affect his personal space and safety.

 

2) They do not make a regular salary, nor can they expect (except for the top tier ones) to be consistently booked.

 

3) Their expected career longevity is shorter than most.

 

4) I know a lot of lawyers, doctors, bankers, etc. with nice cars and big homes... many escorts that I hire catch the bus to come to me, and catch the bus home back to their rented apartment and 3 roommates.

 

5) They make me happy

 

Happy tipping!

[+ Lucky]

Well, Marc, I hope you donate to charity too!

[mmk]

Well, I am glad that I did get some interesting responses to my questions. I was curious what others thought and I pretty much had my own mind made up. The only time I feel a tip should be warranted if the escort is working for an agency or if you are a regular client. (3 or 4 times a year would make the escort a regular) Obviously if the escort is working for an agency and the charge is 250.00, how much is the escort getting and how much is the agency getting?

And in response to the deception issue, thank you everyone said that if you are deceived by an escort then they should get travel fair and sent on their way. I am not going to give a person 1/2 of what they charged because they attempted to deceive me. Why should I give them anything? I do think that escorts who do not have pictures posted whould have one posted, even if they do not show their whole face. I definately do understand the fact that they might wish to remain somewhat anonymous and I can respect them for that. I do agree with the person who said they should get 20.00 to 40.00 cab fare and that is it.

And in response to the person who said that an escorts career is generally shorter than a doctor's lawyers, etc, no matter who you are and no matter what profession, no careers are guarenteed. Everyone needs to take precautions to safeguard their lifestyle and way of living and if one does not, no matter what their career is, then that is their own problem and shame on them for not anticipating unexpected change the future might bring.

[Rod Hagen]

>(What is this with the fancy

>hotels?)

 

Lucky, nothing says depression like the 4 walls and floral bed spreads of a Hyatt Regency.

 

http://www.rodhagen.com

"I will seek out these androids, and I

will break them with my bare hands!"

[Guest cp8036]

<2) They do not make a regular salary, nor can they expect (except for the top tier ones) to be consistently booked.

 

3) Their expected career longevity is shorter than most.

 

4) I know a lot of lawyers, doctors, bankers, etc. with nice cars and big homes... many escorts that I hire catch the bus to come to me >

 

Hummm, differs from the guys I have met.

 

#2. Most self-employed people do not make regular salaries.

#3. Lawyers burn out quickly.

#4. Doctors and Lawyers spent years on education and training. In no way did I mean to suggest escorts are not smart. Only, that MD's and Lawyers must get degrees, take exams, update knowledge, whereas an escort does not need an advance degree to ply his trade. It's about the difference in preperation.

 

Also, Doctors and lawyers work HUNDREDS of hours a month. I know escorts will say they spend hours and hours communicating, but their time is much more loosely defined than that of a Jr. Partner in a large law firm. Doubt he can spend the morning responding to emails, while in his underwear, drinking coffee at home. How can we make that many comparisons between MD's and escorts? For the responsibilty alone, they deserve more money.

 

As you said, escorts' career paths are short-lived (except for JeffOH), thus most guys don't have years of earnings to acquire real estate holdings. Not surprizingly they haven't gained the wealth of a 50 year old surgeon.

 

Most escorts I have run into personally or professionally do quite well. Even the part-time ones add a nice bit of change to their checkbook. There may be some that are young, immature, and spend most of the cash. But, seems most are smart about setting aside. Not many young men in college can fund their lifestyle as an escort could.

 

That being said, in most cases they deserve a fine sum of cash for the work they perform.

[Guest WetDream]

Advanced degrees in escorting?

 

"... an escort does not need an advance degree to ply his trade."

 

Wasn't it King Leer who said, "Reason not the need"? I think we've hit on a new academic specialty here; perhaps it could be included in a "Hospitality Management" program -- lots of universities have them. The mind reels! What would be included in the curriculum? What about the work-study program? Would credit be given for "life experience"? Will all examinations be orals? Come on you academics out there -- let's hear your ideas.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Thank you!

 

Just spent 3 days in one myself last week,UGH And I do mean 3 whole complete never ending days, HELLO I dont need to sleep for three days. Ok enough of me getting this off my chest.

 

Making People Smile In San Diego

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[+ nycman]

RE: Advanced degrees in escorting?

 

>Will all

>examinations be orals?

 

I can already hear the young escorts-to-be lined up in the hallway outside the examination rooms......

 

"I'm sure I aced my orals but I'm really worried but my anals"

[Guest JT]

>Thanks, Rod, for saying something I

>agree with!

 

Since the original poster directed the questions to escorts, I chose not to answer the questions because I am a client, not an escort. While Rod has answered the question, "Should escort expect a tip" from an escort's perspective, he hasn't addressed the issue, "Should client tip the escort?" from a client's perspective. To me, they are two related, yet distinct questions.

 

 

>If one sees

>an escort over a longer

>term, gifts are fine expressions

>of appreciation.

 

I'm quite curious about this statement. If it were made by other posters, would it be considered another example of rich clients who are not reticent in sharing that fact with others? Now of course, any sensible individual probably would not jump to the conclusion that the gifts need to be expensive and that only clients with tons of money can afford them! ;-)

 

Now let's consider an escort who is a college student and charges $ 150-$200/hr. If a client really enjoys the time he has with the escort and would like to show his appreciation, would tipping him be such an "offensive" or "unacceptable" behaviour? Could the tip be considered as a "gift" that could help contribute to the escort's education funds? The tip in fact is a "monetary gift". I think most, if not all, people do not expect "material or monetary gifts" (other than on those special occasions such as birthdays, anniversaries, etc.), but would be happy to receive them. :-)

 

JT

[Traveller]

RE: Advanced degrees in escorting?

 

>I can already hear the young

>escorts-to-be lined up in the

>hallway outside the examination rooms......

>

>

>"I'm sure I aced my orals

>but I'm really worried but

>my anals"

 

Very clever.

 

Later.

[Guest Stefano]

To question #1.. OK so you pay 150.00-300.00 for an hour. Here's what I would consider thinking about when tipping.. Did the escort fully satisfy you and more so did the escort try to fully satisfy. We don't all have magical momentous occassions but was every effort made towards it. Another thing to think of is clock watching.(I recommend not having a clock in the room where the deed is done) Not to rip us off but it's tempting to take a glance whether we're enjoying ourselves or not and can ruin the moment for you and give a bad perception of the escort. Back on track here...If you felt that the escort did everything to please you within his power then YES I feel that escort deserves a tip. Whatever you can give or care to.. I am always greatly appreciative of tips seeing as how my car is a gas guzzler!

 

#2 Look, if you are obviously lied to by this guy then send him away. If you're unhappy with him that is. I remember I had one client that I met with in Downtown LA and he wasn't very happy with my looks.(Nor was I with him) But after ten minutes of me doing my darndest to make him feel eased with my presence and enjoy our meeting, he still wasn't happy. Now I could have underwent the horrible experience and read about it later on the newest reviews section, but instead I said,"I'm sorry, we obviously aren't a match and you aren't happy with me so I'll leave if that's alright with you.." he suddenly got a smile on his face for the first time (LOL) handed me 20 dollars for showing up and valet and that was that. Don't drive into disaster when it can be avoided.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Mike Stefano ;-)~ <--M.M.O.T.

MrMikeStefano@aol.com

[Guest Steve]

As a client, I have only tipped a couple of times. When I met with Excellent Top Matt, I had such a great experience with him that I tipped him. He politely declined and said to keep it for the next time or he would accept if I really wanted to give it to him. I thanked him, but since I didn't know when I would be back in NYC to see him again and wanted to show my appreciation for how great the experience was, I gave him the tip. The thing with Matt was that I had been trying to meet with him a couple of times prior, but living in Pittsburgh, I was only able to meet with him while in New York. Only problem was, our schedules conflicted. IMO, it was worth the wait and the tip was justified.

 

As to the second question, from the client's prospective, I have been to nice and have gone through with appointments with guys I considered to be disappointments. I have decided that I won't do that again and now insist on a face and body pic. If the escort is leary about providing one, then I will insist on a meeting and if I decide I don't want to go through with the appointment based on looks, then no money will be exchanged. If he doesn't like it, tough.