Actions Speak Louder Than Words (Good Riddens to The Gaiety)

[ready4boi]

The infamous Kirk/Voltaire is back to the dismay of myself and others who have been regulars of The Gaiety. The actions of Denise, the woman running the show, have proven louder than words. She now has made it clear that she doesn't care about the trouble these hustlers cause because not only has she allowed the most notorious hustler ever to have graced the stage of The Gaiety back but she is also apparently allowing JT to return AT THE SAME TIME!!!! This clearly has been the last straw for those of us who have been blatantly conned by these thieves of the night. I can only encourage all of you to no longer sit back and continue to patronize this establishment of insults. In my opinion, it is people like her who give this country and the American dream a bad name. She might as well run a crack house or better yet leave our country along with these criminals like these swindlers from Canada. I am scratching her theatre of deception off my list. This really is an obvious sign of worse deterioration of this long running Times Square venue to come. 2002 is the last year on the lease of the building where the theatre is located. Maybe that's why she doesn't seem too worried about losing business. I know people like New York Observer will continue to give her and these people their money til the bitter end (as well as praise and applaud them in his ingratiating reviews), but I won't be played as one of her fools. She can kiss my patronage of several years goodbye.

[NY Observer]

You're right, I will continue to patronize the Gaiety, even though I agree that guys like Kirk should not be allowed to dance there. I have read the threads on JT, but I don't know of his antics enough to judge him, beyond what I read (which is not always truth)

 

I give at least a dollar tip to virtually every dancer. I did not give any money to Kirk. If you read my review of last week, it was not positive on him. Nor will this weeks. I did take management to task on inviting him back on stage. From a management perspective, the primary objective must be to put on a good entertaining show. Even though he is a jerk and has many issues, he IS a good performer and looks good on stage. The fact that he'll rip off and make fun of anyone stupid enough to hire him is another matter.

 

Given that most of the dancers know who I am and that they are trying to make a living doing this, who am I to write negative, attacking, biting reviews. I try to report the truth, accentuating the positive and to inform readers of who is on stage. If you don't like my approach, don't bother reading my column, it really won't make me lose any more sleep than I already do worrying about things that matter.

[BgMstr4u]

I too am disappointed that Denise has allowed Kirk back, and I too will continue to attend the Gaiety. It is the only venue in NYC which consistently offers beautiful young men who want to strip completely and parade their charms to other guys. That's its mission, and I hope it continues for a long, long time. I have been attending the Gaiety for many, many years. I enjoy it, and I hope it will renegotiate a lease or find another, similarly convenient home if it needs to move.

 

I also am aware of some of its complications from the law enforcement point of view, as I am sure others in our escort loving community may be. So let me say a few words which may not be popular.

 

The Gaiety is what it is -- a strip show. It is not a dating service or an escort management agency. If Kirk or JT gives a good show, and if they are not disruptive in the theatre environment, let them dance. While the management have the responsibility to maintain safety for their patrons in the theatre, they certainly do not have any obligation to monitor the behavior of their dancers or their clients outside the theatre.

 

In fact, let me go a little further. The complaints against Kirk and JT are based on transactions that are not only by their nature private but also illegal. I certainly do not think they should be illegal -- I and probably most of the people on this board believe that the sexual aspect of escorting should be a legal activity -- but it isn't. And since it isn't, Denise is not only right to keep out of it, but if she started excluding dancers solely on the basis of complaints about their behavior in the way they conduct an illegal business, she would be in a very tenuous situation legally.

 

Our best course is exactly what is happening on the Escort Review -- providing information and warning when appropriate. I think a whispered word to a patron who is casting a longing look in the JT or K direction is the appropriate way to deal with them. And then objectify their bodies to your hearts' content.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

>but if she started excluding dancers solely on the basis of complaints about their behavior in the way they conduct an illegal business, she would be in a very tenuous situation legally...

 

this is silly. dancers are independent contractors and Denise can hire and not hire dancers as she sees fit. she doesn't even need the balls to fire them; she can just not give them work on a week-to-week basis.

 

 

it wouldn't hurt to "stack" the chairs during their performance so that people who are near the stage do not tip; if the audience wanted to play with their heads a little bit, it wouldn't even hurt to leave a large tip while they are performing (probably garnering a little extra attention) and pocket it as they are bending to pick it up. that would send a very strong message to both the dancer and the audience.

 

i wonder what would happen if the more pissed-off of Kirk's/Voltaire's and JT's ripped-off customers and their friends were to make very loud comments generally, and even specifically, to soon-to-be-ripped-off customers in the lounge area while these boys are hustling? even these lounge lizards must have some limits to the amount of public embarrasment they can endure. maybe they can be driven out of the gaiety this way.

 

i have from time to time stopped by the gaiety in the past but will do so no longer as long as the management takes so little interest in their patrons.

 

i will call denise to tell her so, also.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

RE: Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

Sorry Jizz,

 

Informing and warning people in the lounge is one thing. Rude and disruptive behaviour while the guys are dancing is another.

 

Will you allow for the fact that many, not to say most, customers of the Gaiety will have paid their hard earned money to watch the show, and may feel that such antics reduce their enjoyment of the experience? I have a hard time understanding why some people who are pissed off by something or other seem self-righteously to feel perfectly free to take their irritation out on innocent third parties. x(

 

Esc-Tracker

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

maybe i wasn't clear. i would only pull the tip on Kirk and JT. and also no big deal about it unless they made it a big deal.

 

and i would personally laugh my head off in the lounge (which i never use for more than getting a phone number) if i saw a lizard lounge getting his dues.

 

and self-righteous is a little heavy handed isn't it in this context. thinking more like the Bess Myerson of the Gaiety.

 

best,

jizz

[Matt_Vancouver]

HEY HEY HEY, Not all of the swindlers are Canadain.

It's not like it's a national objective. Well actually I do remember my grade two teacher putting us in a hypnotic state, and repeating the phrase ' get yourself gorgeous, then rip of unsuspecting Americans' but I don't think that has anything to do with it.

Matt (strives for gorgeousity)

http://go.to/mattsplace

matt_escort@yahoo.com

[Guest JT]

"HEY HEY HEY, Not all of

the swindlers are Canadain.

It's not like it's a national

objective."

 

This is a conspiracy, Matt. This sounds like the sequel to the song "Blame Canada" in the "South Park --- Bigger, Longer and Uncut"!

 

JT (Yes, I'm a Canadian and No, I'm not the JT at Gaiety!Seriosuly if you don't believe me, ask Matt!)

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

RE: Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

OK, that's better. :-)

 

Who is Bess Myerson?

 

Esc-Tracker

[ready4boi]

I figured The New York Observer would take offense to my comment. He has his own opinionated opposite view of the theatre which is why we'll never meet eye to eye on it. My point here is to stress that you ARE NOT getting your money's worth if the dancers Denise hires are complete low-lifes. I've seen Kirk throw ice cubes at patrons and make abusive remarks not caring who heard him. I have no doubt this JT comes from the same ilk. It's your right if you are paying the witch to have a good time free of such negative experiences. Yes escorting is supposed to be by law companionship only but other things happen by mutual consent between both parties that Denise is well aware of and it's crazy for her to not be concerned with it even if it happens a few blocks away from her establishment at a hotel. She is expressing the clear fact she just wants to take your money and might as well spit on you on the way out. That's why I've had it with her and her den of iniquity. It doesn't make me self-righteous or judgemental to expect that if I'm paying to watch the show I shouldn't have to be in the company of criminally insane hustlers like Kirk/Voltaire. So good riddens to old rubbish!

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

NYC Consumer Affairs Commissioner at one time (one-time consumer affairs reporter for network TV, i think).

 

are you gay? if you don't know who Bess Myerson is, then do you also not know who Ann Landers is? Miss Manners? Laura Schlesinger (of porn and insect fame)?

 

come on, esc_tracker, get with it! forget the boys and be gay!

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

RE: Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

>NYC Consumer Affairs Commissioner at one

>time (one-time consumer affairs reporter

>for network TV, i think).

 

I guess you had to be there. ;-)

>

>are you gay? if you don't

>know who Bess Myerson is,

>then do you also not

>know who Ann Landers is?

>Miss Manners? Laura Schlesinger (of

>porn and insect fame)?

 

Well, I have heard of the other three (though I am a bit puzzled at the "insect" reference).

 

 

>come on, esc_tracker, get with it!

>forget the boys and be

>gay!

 

How does one "forget the boys and be gay"? :-)

 

Esc-Tracker

[+ deej]

>HEY HEY HEY, Not all of

>the swindlers are Canadain.

 

Very few, actually. Those Canadians, on the other hand...... }>

 

deej (very glad Matt's one of the good guys!)

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

you're a sweetie, despite the bounty sheriff connotations of your name, tracker.

 

laura lying homophobe has a degree in physiology, has spent much time with microbes and i assume insects. she has only a certificate in counseling, with which she has bamboozled her way to stardom and wealth.

 

jizz

[+ deej]

She is expressing the clear fact she just wants to take your money and might as well spit on you on the way out. That's why I've had it with her and her den of iniquity. It doesn't make me self-righteous or judgemental to expect that if I'm paying to watch the show I shouldn't have to be in the company of criminally insane hustlers like Kirk/Voltaire. So good riddens to old rubbish!

 

I'm not sure what planet you're from, but Denise's job is to make sure there are pretty guys dancing on the stage and no more.

 

(And the word is riddance, by the way.)

 

Feel free to throw out the baby with the bathwater. It is your right. But if they're pretty, and they're willing (and they'll show up), Denise will hire them to dance and that's the end of her responsibility.

 

She's not their Mommy. What they do outside of dancing is not her responsibility.

[Barry]

Well I'm not NYO and still think your comments are outside the realm of reality (or planet as Deej said).

 

In your professional life, do you have employees or direct reports? If so, would you inquire as to whether they were self-employed outside of the their position with you? And if they were and you heard that in their "other" job they were less than stellar performers, would you discipline them or fire them? For your sake, I hope not. It's really none of your business. As an employer, your only concern is the performance of your employees according to contract or position description with you. PERIOD!

 

I've been to the Gaiety as well as the strip clubs in DC, Toronto, Montreal and Chicago. In each place I got what I paid to get in for. Gorgeous guys, stripping and walking or dancing around naked. Have I hired guys from these clubs privately? Yes! Did I know there was a chance I wouldn't be satisfied? Yes! Did I blame or hold the club/bar responsible for my less than satisfactory engagement because I saw/met the stripper at their establishment? NO WAY! Would I hold an escort Agency responsible for non-performance by one of their employees hired through them? YES!

 

Get the difference?

[Traveller]

>It doesn't make

>me self-righteous or judgemental to

>expect that if I'm paying

>to watch the show I

>shouldn't have to be in

>the company of criminally insane

>hustlers like Kirk/Voltaire. So

>good riddens to old rubbish!

>

 

Few points.

 

1. I don't frequent the Gaiety, so I can't comment on Denise or join your boycott.

 

2. I've had great sex with Kirk/Voltaire a couple of times (kissing, fucking, sucking, etc.), so I can't comment on his actions with others.

 

3. Most of my friends are criminally insane, so maybe that explains no. 2 above.

 

4. Finally, and I just couldn't resist (sorry), it's actually spelled riddance.

 

Later.

[+ bigjoey]

just enjoy the show and the beautifyl boddies. kirk has one of the best and a great dick; just sit there and let him dance his heart out knowing he will not lure you into a "private". like travler, i have had good sex with kirk, but there are better. just enjoy the gaiety for what it is. if you want a sexual experience, use the good guys reviewed here where you know you will have an enjoyable time. ease up a little and enjoy.

[Guest Raffy]

RE: Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

>>NYC Consumer Affairs Commissioner at one

>>time (one-time consumer affairs reporter

>>for network TV, i think).

>

 

Guys!! you're forgetting her first two--and much more important--careers:

1. Miss America, 1945

2. Mink coat model on gameshow, "The Big Payoff" in the early 50s.

 

Oops, guess i'm showing my age...

bob

[BgMstr4u]

Hey Bigjoey -- you just clarified it all for me:

 

"just sit there and let him dance his heart out knowing he will not lure you into a "private". "

 

That's the revenge. I doubt if these guys get $10 a dance -- more like $5 probably. Let Kirk and JT twirl their tushes till the cows come home. Wear themselves out for you. Just the ticket for them!

[+ Lucky]

Wow, opinions are hot in this thread. I go to the Gaiety occasionally, I like NYO's reviews and think he is very fair. Let's distinguish between the job of dancer, and the service of an escort. Denise is only responsible for the first one. It's buyer beware on escorts you don't know, whether at the Gaiety or anywhere else you find them.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

gay-friendly Gaiety?

 

i've reflected on above posts for a little bit and both sides certainly have merit.

 

it's certainly understandable to get pissed off by supposed gay charmers that prove to be con artists, even if they do this in outside ventures.

 

it's also understandable to think that gay consumers have a right to simply enjoy the show without concern for matters that haven't/won't affect(ed) them.

 

well, i would respectfully submit that if the latter were true Coors would still be a homophobic company and would never have made the great strides it has in supporting the gay community. ditto for American Airlines and any number of U.S. corporations, which have changed marketing policies, in some cases, or personnel policies, in others, under pressure to become more gay-friendly. none of them did it, or maybe just a few did, without both internal and external pressure.

 

it wasn't enough to submit complaints directly to Coors but when enough gay bar owners complained that their patrons were displeased with Coors and individuals ceased to buy Coors that the corporation stood up and took notice.

 

Denise is not responsible for the conduct of her dancers on their own time but it is very gay-unfriendly (gay-hostile?) to hire these schnooks when enough complaints have been lodged. there's a wealth of hot ass and cock swinging out there and she certainly does not need to hire these specific individuals.

 

and again, she won't see a dime from me unless this changes.

 

and again, i hope patrons come up with creative ways to inform her and the dancers of their displeasure and muck up Kirk/Voltaire's and JT's thievery (leaving the placards and bullhorns at home, of course).

 

enough heard from jizz on this topic

[Justice]

RE: Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

She also made history by being the first (and only?) Jewish Miss America. She also was a panelist on several game shows in the late 50's and early 60's. She dropped out of the public eye about 20 years or so ago as a result of some sort of scandal. Unfortunately, I can't -- for the life of me -- remember what that scandal was.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: gay-friendly Gaiety?

 

p.s.: i like "riddens"

[marc anthony]

The advantage of being a TWINK-LOVER

 

See... after all these years, I knew there was a good reason that I have always been a twink lover! You know, you never can get ripped off or cheated by a twink... if they are bad, you can just throw them over your knee and spank 'em! Makes for hot foreplay too! My trips to NYC have always been wonderful... go to the Gaiety for some nice eye candy at an affordable price... see some nice smooth cutie Canadian boy (not too many twinky ones so I don't take too many of them home, but the ones I do are usually fun)... then get a cutie from CAMPUS ESCORTS for the real fun (JUSTIN is my favorite, but have you seen the new pics of WILLIAM? woof)! So is my great success really because I am a twink lover, or because I am careful to let my expectations match what a place is likely to or intending to deliver?