Actions Speak Louder Than Words (Good Riddens to The Gaiety)

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: Ripped off by pretty boys? Nope

 

here's a tidbit off the net about Bess:

 

"QUEEN BESS," a movie about Bess Myerson, the first Jewish Miss America, in 1945, and still a vital part of politics/social life in New York City, is a project of Oscar-winning director/writer Bill Condon. Myerson became a senate candidate, only to become embroiled in scandal. Bess was brought to trial in 1988 for allegedly trying to bribe a judge who was handling her lover's divorce. Condon won an Academy Award this year for adapting the "Gods and Monsters" screenplay from the story which he wrote.

 

Also stumbled on a Bess quote germane to this thread from an interview in Redbook in 1974: "The accomplice to the crime of corruption is frequently our own indifference." hhhhhmmmmmmmm

[ready4boi]

RE: The advantage of being a TWINK-LOVER

 

You are absolutely right. Twinks are more fun at least in my experiences as well. And thank you jizz. Denise chooses to ignore how the climate at The Gaiety has changed in a highly negative manner. She doesn't seem to be that concerned with how certain dancers treat her customers in or around the place. That's bad for business. Don't you think? I've given up on trying to sit back and hope creeps like Kirk and JT go away but her letting them come back is the problem. Is she that hard up for dancers she's letting these same slime balls return?

 

By the way "riddens" is a slang term I saw used before. lol. I didn't make that one up.

[+ deej]

RE: The advantage of being a TWINK-LOVER

 

Is she that hard up for dancers she's letting these same slime balls return?

 

For what it's worth, a friend books dancers here in Chicago. He tells me it's the only job he's ever had where he routinely books 10 guys and *prays* at least five of them will show up.

 

Denise is in the same boat, I suspect. If the boys have a track record of showing up and getting their asses on stage when they're supposed to, that's probably all she's worried about or should be worried about.

 

I said it before: her job is to put pretty naked boys on the stage. And there her job ends.

 

I'm not defending her. I just think you're holding her accountable for things that are not appropriate. If you go to the gaiety and there aren't naked boys on stage then yes you should complain. But as long as there are naked boys on stage, she's done her job.

[+ deej]

RE: gay-friendly Gaiety?

 

Jizz, with all due respect your Coors (et. al.) analogy simply doesn't hold water.

 

Sure the gay community influenced Coors by affecting THEIR PRODUCT. This thread seems to be about bashing Denise and the Gaiety for something that IS NOT THEIR PRODUCT.

 

It's like bashing Coors because the potato chips are stale. Sure the products go together, but should Coors be taken to task because Lays can't seal packages properly?

[NY Observer]

RE: The advantage of being a TWINK-LOVER

 

Good point Deej.

 

Actually, from what I have seen and heard, Kirk was not scheduled for this week, but rahter was an emergency replacement. It was supposed to be Mikael, but apparently he had some border crossing problems. He is advertised in hX as the featured performer this week. I think what happened is that when it was obvious that he would not be making it, Denise needed a headliner. She went back to what she knew worked before.

 

Of course, I'm not happy about it either. Since we're not talking about a typical dancer, I think it's perfectly acceptable to leave your seat or to not leave a tip when such a performer is on stage. You can use that time well to check out who's who in the lounge or to take a bathroom break.

 

I think not attending is an extreme measure; the 15 bucks Denise is out won't kill her (even if you persuade your friend not to go either), but the loss of entertainment for me would be more of a loss. While I agree that Denise frequently does not give a hoot about the concerns of her clientele, the show is a good show and she does hire a lot of hot guys. So I should stop going because one out of seven guys (ok maybe this week it's going to be 2 or 3 out of 13 guys) is not a good egg? With the resources we have available on this website, we know enough to avoid these bad ones and concentrate on the ones who provide good service. I will continue to go (what a surprise) and will continue my policy of not tipping Kirk.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: gay-friendly Gaiety?

 

>Sure the gay community influenced Coors by affecting THEIR PRODUCT. This thread seems to be about bashing Denise and the Gaiety for something that IS NOT THEIR PRODUCT...

 

actually not, deej. Coors made the same beer before and after ending their homophobic personnel policies. lobbying affected their sales, not their product.

 

 

 

>It's like bashing Coors because the potato chips are stale. Sure the products go together, but should Coors be taken to task because Lays can't seal packages properly?

 

if i owned Coors and ran a promotion which packaged beer with Fritos (made by Lays, incidentally) and i found the chips were inferior, i would dump them fast. i would consider that my responsibility to my customers was to enusre they had a good beer/chips experience. i would not allow lay's quality problemss to reflect on my product.

 

if i really wanted to continue the promotion, i would work with lay's to fix the problem with the chips.

 

 

 

and what if the girls at Stonewall had sat back and said, "boy, these are good chips?!!!"

 

but thanks for your comments.

 

best,

jizz

[Guest steveyboy]

RE: The advantage of being a TWINK-LOVER

 

Does anyone know if hx has a website to check out the gaiety ad?

Thanks.

[johnnysneakers]

End of Lease?

 

What is this about the lease expiring on the joint? I have been worried there would be a plan to close the place. Is she licensed to carry on buz at another location??

[Traveller]

RE: The advantage of being a TWINK-LOVER

 

>By the way "riddens" is a

>slang term I saw used

>before. lol. I

>didn't make that one up.

>

 

Dude, when wuz ya in the hood?

 

Later.

[Paul Revere]

RE: End of Lease?

 

Johnny,

 

Relax, this is July. Every July there is a rumor of the imminent closing of the Gaiety. Sort of a marketing scam. Get there soon or you may lose it forever. Its like those stores that are always having "Going Out of Business" sales, but they never go out of business.

 

I assume that because the property sits in a very valuable site, someday someone will close the Howard Johnsons and the Gaiety and build a large skyscraper or hotel with a theme resturant. But there is always a "Gaity is closing" scare every summer. Some have surmised that Denise spreads the rumor in order to increase business during a time of the year when business naturally drops off.

[+ deej]

RE: gay-friendly Gaiety?

 

<<actually not, deej. Coors made the same beer before and after ending their homophobic personnel policies. lobbying affected their sales, not their product.>>

 

You missed my point jizz. Coors, the company, made many positive strides because we hit them in the product. We didn't alter the product, but we hit them in THEIR product. We didn't hit them in someone else's product.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: gay-friendly Gaiety?

 

nope. i addressed this point in second part of my post. secondary boycotts (or actions) have proven very effective.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

Back of the bus? Fuck no!!!

 

seems like everyone, acquiescent or potential boycotter/rabblerouser doesn't like whats going on here. here's some questions for both sides:

 

do you have any balls left? do you beg to be entertained by thieves with big cocks? do you give a shit about the next guy that's going to get ripped off?

 

it's real easy to tell Denise that you lose your hardon when she hires slimeballs to dance and that you don't like it and you're going to tell your friends and post on websites that potential customers view, "The Gaiety doesn't give a shit about you." she'll dump the scum and scramble to get replacement dancers.

 

if you want to get ripped off, you will!!! if you have any balls, maybe you'll help get these scumbags fired.

 

i probably made enemies with my lack of tact but I don't care. it's what i think.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: End of Lease?

 

somehow, although admittedly, i've never met the lesbian, i think denise is the biggest scam artist this side of the chicago whore who advertises his bubble baths.

[Guest CZ]

RE: End of Lease?

 

Let me weigh in with a few comments on the comments here.

 

1) Despite what Jizz said much earlier in this thread, it IS very difficult to put together the sort of lineup that some here seem to take for granted at the Gaiety. Even in NYC (and even with the much-needed participation of Canadian talent), there's a surprisingly small pool of really hot dancers to draw on--particularly for the weekday card, & the demanding schedule it calls for. Yet even Denise's harshest critics have to concede that she has done a consistently excellent job in putting on good shows, week after week, year in, year out.

 

2) Putting on those good shows is her business--the beginning & end of her obligation to the paying customer. Period, punto & basta! All the pseudo-analogies evoked to make her somehow responsible for what happens outside her theater can't change the truth of the matter. She ain't your mommy, & the dancers haven't elected her their den-mother either.

 

3) The fact that she doesn't go out of her way to charm & smarm & chat up those who push through the Gaiety turnstile may keep her from winning any 'gay-friendly' awards, but it doesn't make her indifferent or insensitive to her patrons' needs. (Let's face it--many of those patrons are out & out creeps YOU wouldn't feel like being friendly to yourself. And if, as I suspect, some of the most vocal critics here have voices & phone manners that match their posting rhetoric, I wouldn't be too happy to take a call from them either.)

 

4) Between Ready4boi's church-lady pronouncements & Jizz's rallying cry to the activists' barricades, all I hear is a lot of pointless hyperventilation. You guys want to boycott? Well, go ahead & boycott, it's OK. (And judging from DCEscort's know-nothing post, I guess he can continue the very effective boycott he's had in place since the very first time he heard about the Gaiety down there in DC.)

 

5) I'd like to hear from anyone who actually HIRE escorts (a shockingly small portion of posters here, I'd bet) who can tell me where, in this great country of ours, you could go and check out talent in the raw (while learning virtually everything else you need to know about them) at the cost of less than 2 bucks a pop. Try doing THAT in a bar with seven hot prospects, & see what it would cost you in time, money & second-hand smoke--and without even finding out what might well concern you most.

 

6) The expiring-lease speculations seem to go on and on here (this thread is now entering its second or third year), despite the fact that no one who has commented in the matter so far knows anything substantive about it whatsoever.

 

7) With regard to all these fascinating studies in Kirkology, I, personally, find it exciting to watch a beautiful & ruthless predator performing just a few feet from my person (& my purse). After all, you get risk-free thrills & chills out of it--rather like watching a tiger in the zoo. And seen that way, Kirk makes for a lot better Gaiety headliner than that drearily commodified and very gay-friendly icon, Mark Wolff. (I think Denise ought to charge more on Kirk nights.)

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: End of Lease?

 

"know-nothing"?????

i prefer to call myself a Whig.

in any event, you missed the levity i intended in my post.

truth-be-told, i've never met denise. i know only what's been posted here. i don't care about her one way or the other. i've never been to the theater. i walked past it a few times, i think. it is probably, from what i do know of it, not "my kinda place." no, that's not a judgement of it, nor of the people for whom it is their kinda place. i just don't choose to go watch people strip. again, NOTHING WRONG WITH IT!

 

anyway, sorry my attempt at humor stuck in your craw.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: End of Lease?

 

answwer to #5:

wet, secrets, la cage

(all in the ghetto down here in DC)

maybe i should effectively boycott the ghetto?

[Traveller]

RE: End of Lease?

 

>(I

>think Denise ought to charge

>more on Kirk nights.)

 

Gotta love that volley. I hired Kirk from ads in Next because the Gaiety is far too muscle-bound for me.

 

Later.

 

PS. This post actually shows common sense. Imagine that.

[+ Lucky]

RE: End of Lease?

 

Attack the issues, not....

[Guest CZ]

Meat Inspection in the USA

 

Being a resident of both NYC & DC, I'm as familiar with the places DCEscort mentions as I am with the Gaiety. Since he's never been to the latter, and (I guess) avoids the others, too,

he couldn't know that there's no comparison between the talent on view in the Big Apple and what we have to settle for here in our nation's capital.

 

Throughout many years of dropping in on Wet, Secrets, LaCage (and the associated theater)--as well as Mr. P's (when they still had go-go-boys upstairs)--I have seen a grand total of (maybe)three guys who MIGHT conceivably have been hired by the Gaiety--and even one of those, though nicely muscled, was probably too under-endowed to qualify.

 

A few weeks ago, I paid the non-insignificant admission at Secrets and the newly-reopened La Cage (I think each was $7, if not more) to ogle two sets of guys of the usual low DC calibe. Disappointed again, I decided to skip Wet that night, and never even gave a thought to checking out the Follies--where a non-membership admission of at least $15 lets you see three or four skanky kids who wouldn't even be hired to take care of the punchbowl & pretzels chez Denise.

 

The sad truth is that DC is not famous for beautiful beef on the hoof (or great escorts, for that matter). Even so, it does have the distinction of being the only place in the US (to my knowledge) where guys can strip all the way when dancing in a bar--a touch of depravity denied even the great Sin City up north.

 

Now, since DCEscort is interested in civics and the workings of the law, he'll probably be intrigued to learn that this permissiveness was actually forced on the District because the statute, as originally written, never allowed for the eventuality that men might one day get up on the bars & dance. When this started in the mid or late 70s, the authorities could hardly insist that the guys put on the pasties & g-strings the gals had shed long before. Horrified by all the swinging meat on view, the city fathers amended the statute as quickly as they could, but go-go-boy places that had long held liquor licenses--Cage, Secrets (as part of Ziegfeld's)--were successfully grandfathered, whereas a latecomer to the go-go scene such as Mr. P's had to keep the boys in their posing straps.

[Barry]

RE: Meat Inspection in the USA

 

> Even so, it does

>have the distinction of being

>the only place in the

>US (to my knowledge) where

>guys can strip all the

>way when dancing in a

>bar--a touch of depravity denied

>even the great Sin City

>up north.

 

I was in the Quarter N.O. last month and the boys dancing on the bar at Parade (upstairs from Bourbon Pub) were totally naked and hard. Even the guys dancing downstairs were not infrequently dropping their g-strings for a generous look. That despite the fact all the doors to the streets were open. Management wasn't the least bit nervous about it. I certainly enjoyed it. :-)

[Guest jizzdepapi]

Stupid Consumer? NAH!!!

 

>...Despite what Jizz said much earlier in this thread, it IS very difficult to put together the sort of lineup that some here seem to take for granted at the Gaiety...

 

well, many jobs are difficult. calls for creativity, stamina and resourcefulness i guess. i hear the pay at the Gaiety is excellent and the chance to make dates certainly enhances that. does Denise search for dancers with the same energy with which she procurs some of the dullest, grainiest porno ever produced?

 

 

>...Jizz's rallying cry to the activists' barricades

 

i save my activism for political causes, thanks. i don't play victim to vendors who don't give a shit about their vendors (dancers) and am not captive to the whims of my cock, can ocassionally make an informed decision about a sexy escapade.

 

>...I'd like to hear from anyone who actually HIRE escorts...

 

that would be me and many others on this board i assume

 

 

>check out talent in the raw (while learning virtually everything else you need to know about them)...

 

including if they'll rip you off?

 

>Try doing THAT in a bar with seven hot prospects, & see what it would cost you in time, money & second-hand smoke--and without even finding out what might well concern you most.

 

somehow, i think it's possible to figure out if a date is going to work with a clothed companion in a bar. has for me. when i've had problems with an escort i've met in person, it's never been because of their body but because of the same kind of behavior that is alleged of Kirk and JT.

 

>...a beautiful & ruthless predator performing just a few feet from my person (& my purse). After all, you get risk-free thrills & ...

 

better yet. head down to the Port Authority several blocks away. blindfold yourself, wave bills in large denominations and get your rocks off.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

RE: Stupid Consumer? NAH!!!

 

...who don't give a shit about their vendors (dancers)

 

OOPS!!!

 

s/b "don't give a shit about their customers

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: Meat Inspection in the USA

 

hey... all you asked was where you could do it; you're now amending your question to include that the guys must be hot?

somehow, i think you just like the sound of your own arguments.

 

i find it curious that i get reproached for condescension & rudeness, but this guy does not.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: Meat Inspection in the USA

 

technically, that is illegal in new orleans.

that particular law is RARELY inforced. every now & then during an election cycle, they'll make a show of going around & checking, but even that is rare.

 

<<I was in the Quarter N.O. last month and the boys dancing on the bar at Parade (upstairs from Bourbon Pub) were totally naked and hard. Even the guys dancing downstairs were not infrequently dropping their g-strings for a generous look. That despite the fact all the doors to the streets were open. Management wasn't the least bit nervous about it. I certainly enjoyed it. >>