How much do masseurs & providers make a year in NYC?

[ShortCutie7]

4 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

Especially in NYC, specifically.

 

 

9 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

 that's a low price for an overnight...

Yep, I added to clarify that that’s what I would charge based on a $350 for 1-hour incall (the equivalent of 3 rounds lol).

[marylander1940]

11 minutes ago, ShortCutie7 said:

 

 

Yep, I added to clarify that that’s what I would charge based on a $350 for 1-hour incall (the equivalent of 3 rounds lol).

But that's not what escorts charge in NYC of all possible places unless they're giving you a deal. 

[ShortCutie7]

Just now, marylander1940 said:

But that's not what escorts charge in NYC of all possible places unless they're giving you a deal. 

Gotcha… I have absolutely no idea what the standard overnight rate is because I have never inquired about one.

[marylander1940]

3 minutes ago, ShortCutie7 said:

Gotcha… I have absolutely no idea what the standard overnight rate is because I have never inquired about one.

at least 1,200 to 1,500 and above, some charge 2,000 or more. 

Edited January 1 by marylander1940

[Callas]

7 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

at least 1,200 to 1,500 and above, some charge 2,000 or more. 

If one quotes $2k overnight and you want to include normal sleeping hours (~6-8hrs), would $2k a bit overpriced? 

[Simon Suraci]

6 minutes ago, Callas said:

If one quotes $2k overnight and you want to include normal sleeping hours (~6-8hrs), would $2k a bit overpriced? 

See these threads. Lots of interesting discussion on this side topic, not to get too far off track here:

How much do you pay for an overnight date?

Overnight with an escort

Overnight rate

[ShortCutie7]

42 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

at least 1,200 to 1,500 and above, some charge 2,000 or more. 

Gotcha, so if I raise the overnight rate to $1,250, assuming my other guesstimations are reasonable, the total income would be $137,500.  

[+ PhileasFogg]

23 hours ago, Callas said:

Inspired by the “2024 numbers” topic, i did some assumptions:

 

if a guy sees 4 clients (3 massage 1 escort) / day

7 days / week

48 weeks / year

 

~$250/hr x 4 hrs x 7 days x 48 weeks (4 weeks for vacation) = $336k

/ 60% (40% tax) = $560k —— this is an ~average/junior Managing Director’s total comp at a bank?

 

I think my assumptions are reasonable, even not for the hottest / busiest guys 

 anything i overlook?

 

(not sure if this is the right place for this topic? Maybe The Lounge?)

That’s an exhausting schedule with burnout in 30 days

[+ ThroatCummer]

I think the real answers are: 

1. It's a good career and you can make more than enough money to support a good lifestyle for yourself and live very comfortably. 

2. It's physically taxing. You're going to make the same as a well paid IT/Computer professional who clicks a mouse and reads a screen all day. 

3. You can work as much as you want. Two days a week with a ton of clients or seven days a week with one client daily. 

4. You have to factor in retirement and the future.  You're not paying into Social Security. You don't have a 401(k). How much money are you saving and investing for the future?  You're going to get older, become less attractive, and your hands and body won't function as well.  What's your "exit" strategy? 

Just my $0.02. 

RE: #4. I know an escort who is mid-30s and fucking beautiful. He has a daddy who is 75 and paid for his apartment, travel, and even a house out of the country. That's a good retirement strategy but you have to find the daddy who will enter into that arrangement and that's hard to find actually. lol 

Edited January 2 by ThroatCummer

[Simon Suraci]

6 minutes ago, ThroatCummer said:

I think the real answers are: 

My take on your points:

1. Income varies widely in the sex work industry. It really depends on what you charge, how much you work, what types of clients you target/attract, what other work you do to supplement or do this full time, how in demand you are, and business decisions you make to leverage (or waste) your potential. Someone can make as little as the equivalent of a fast food worker by making bad business and life decisions, and as much as a well known reality TV star by making good decisions, and getting lucky. A lot of us fall closer into that skilled, educated IT worker range. It’s something like a bell curve.

2. Agree. It takes a toll. Especially masseurs who know what they are doing using their hands and body repetitively every work day. I know a very in demand masseur that works at least 8 hrs a day (not including breaks), 5 days a week. His hands are wearing out after about 15 years of practice. He is switching careers to do cybersecurity IT work to save his hands.

3. True, you can work as much as you want, in theory. It is quite flexible too, which is a huge advantage. False that you can magically organize everyone to line up at your door on exactly the days and times you want. I suppose this is a function of how in demand you are. Most of us are not porn stars in their peak 1-2 years of fame to justify the above. We work around client schedules and preferences, which span all days and times from early morning to late at night within a given week. Frequent or occasional travel is necessary. You may not be fully booked during the hours a normal full time job would typically occupy, but your availability is basically full time (or often more) if this is your primary or exclusive income. We deal with cancellations, rescheduling, running late, and ghosting. It’s a lot of wasted but necessary time. It’s all part of the job, like overhead in a way, except time rather than dollars. But remember: our most valuable asset is, in fact, time.

4. I agree, this is very important for anyone in any profession. Working guys can get an individual 401(k). It’s a thing! You are not beholden to an employer to have access to a 401(k). Plus you can invest in other things like IRAs, stocks, real estate, businesses, and more. Vanguard is a great place for index funds, for example. Doing sex work for a living is no excuse to avoid investing for retirement and other financial goals. You don’t need a traditional job to invest. Exit strategy is important, whether planning for direct 100% retirement at a certain age or for a second/third/fourth career outside the industry before ending your working years.

[Simon Suraci]

9 hours ago, PhileasFogg said:

That’s an exhausting schedule with burnout in 30 days

Yes. I believe it’s unreasonable to assume working all seven days in a week nonstop for many weeks on end. I do this when I travel. Last summer I did ten solid weeks of 12+ hours a day, seven days a week. It’s a sprint, not a marathon. By the end of that trip I was really burned out. I took time off before working again. This pace is utterly unsustainable to maintain all year round.

I do sprints for 3-6 weeks, sometimes longer. The bulk of my time I work in my home city about 6 days a week and I am taking fewer clients per day on average than when I travel. I take days off for family things, and a few holidays. Life happens, and the flexibility I build in bears the brunt of it. That’s more sustainable.

So no, we are not working consistently x hours a day for seven days a week for every week of the year minus four weeks!

We work as many hours as any full time employee, and way more when you consider the overhead time, but we spread it out quite differently than your average desk job would. It doesn’t fit into nice, tidy, consistent 8 or 9 hour blocks for 5 days a week. I suppose one could set it up that way, but you would not make anything near as much.

[Kevin Slater]

1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

4. I agree, this is very important for anyone in any profession. Working guys can get an individual 401(k). It’s a thing! You are not beholden to an employer to have access to a 401(k). Plus you can invest in other things like IRAs, stocks, real estate, businesses, and more. Vanguard is a great place for index funds, for example. Doing sex work for a living is no excuse to avoid investing for retirement and other financial goals. You don’t need a traditional job to invest. Exit strategy is important, whether planning for direct 100% retirement at a certain age or for a second/third/fourth career outside the industry before ending your working years.

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THIS!  

I try (with limited success) and get all my escort friends to do a solo 401.  You still have to pay both halves of Fica (social security and medicare at 15.2% on the first 176k) but after that it's not taxable unless you wanna Roth it.  

Kevin Slater

[Whippoorwill]

Interesting topic (what are the two topics everyone talks about?...money...and sex. And here they are merged.) When I first started hiring, and ran the hourly rate out to a year, I thought holy smokes, this is a gold mine! Well, a few years in and working with several regulars whom I have both observed close up (very) and shared our lives, I can see it's different when you really get into it. 

We all have a lot to do in the (nominally) 16 hours in a day beyond our "regular work day" and lots of personal expenses that everyone has. There are some where a provider, by the nature of their business, may spend more hours and more dollars than you and I might as clients. Here are a few that could apply, some depending on what image the provider is selling.

Rent. Private apartment, no roommates (In expensive SF where I live, even many highly paid techies have roommates to keep down expenses). Top providers need their space to be of a quality and in a neighborhood that clients will come to, especially out of town clients who may not be used to city living. Has to be spotlessly clean.

Doing the laundry. Providers have multiple towels and maybe sheets...every day...hours taken at the laundromat. Not a huge expense but what a time sink! On the other hand they don't need Brioni suits for work...a jockstrap or a Speedo to start off in is sufficient. 

Massage/sex supplies. Lots, and high quality. 

The Gym. Every day. The kind of providers I patronize spend an enormous amount of time working on the "perfect" body. Often with the latest, greatest pricey personal trainer. 

Medical check-ups, blood tests, etc. I do once every 90 days (to be on Prep). A responsible provider probably does a lot more frequently. 

Massage trainings, additional certifications. One of my providers does several "classes" or massage retreats a year. Keeps him fresh, and keeps me interested.

Beauty treatments. On this site we often discuss age-shaving, the reason for which is that in our culture youth sells. Facials, skin treatments, hair styling/coloring, electrolysis, pubic/body hair grooming, having "work done." Varies vastly by provider, but if your selling image, it ain't cheap. 

Physical limitations. One of my boys has just scheduled an orthopedic surgery, due wholly to a life as an athlete/gym rat/masseur. This will likely knock him out the massage business for months and could have even more effect. It's called age. The work of a provider is just that...work...and hard physical work.

In addition, as others have said, the smart ones are paying taxes and social security and health insurance. Chiseling on income taxes is a double edged sword...some day you will be depending in part on social security, which is proportional to your contributions. 

In a "normal" business job, you start off as a low paid new hire, and can constantly move up the ladder and maybe be a CEO some day, earning more as you mature in the business. And then when I, for example, retired, I became a consultant and was able to quadruple my hourly rate. For providers it is the opposite...there is some "optimum" age that may be different depending on what the individual provider is selling, but let's face it, there is a reason so many of the providers stop aging in their advertisements at 29. How many providers at 59...or 69 can command the rate they did at 29 in our age-conscious society? 

I had a very handsome acquaintance who proudly advertised therapeutic and sensual massage for decades, but not erotic. I was shocked to see him recently and realize he is not the hot thirty-year old I knew him as, and noted that as he approaches 60 his ad now includes erotic. 

I have had one regular who used the money he was earning as a provider to get an expensive advanced degree. Great way to do it...no punishing student loans. But now he is out in the job market, far older than his peers, and earning a starting salary as he approaches middle age. Fortunately he also invested some f his earnings wisely business ventures and (hopefully) has a nest egg for retirement. 

I think as much as we try not to, for many, being in this line of work does effect personal relationships, especially with a partner or lover. This of course is very personal but can be a big price. I am forever grateful that there are providers who vastly improve the quality of my physical and emotional life, and am happy to pay the going rate. I don't think it's extravagant. 

I am pleased to see my boys earn a good living, but it's not forever. Like Kevin, I encourage providers to plan for the future. Likewise with limited success. As my father used to say, "Too soon old, and too late smart." It's the human condition.