Coming Soon: Reviews for Masseurs

[RadioRob]

I don't know if folks saw my teaser in the Lounge for the new review site, but with the new system we will have the capability to have multiple categories of things to review.  This will include things such as:

 

Inside of each category will be items (either a person or a place).  It's basically the thing being reviewed.  Each item depending on what category that it is in can have a set of questions/fields associated with it.  This allows us to ask different questions for each type of item being reviewed.  

Within each item will be the ability to have reviews.  Again, since different categories can have different types of needs, I can create different questions for the reviews themselves.  Think of the reviews as descriptions of the encounter.  You will have an item (aka the masseur) and then the item will have reviews that describe member's encounters.

Given the progress that is being made with the new review site, I'm ready to start figuring out what information we want to collect.  This is where I need your help!

I need to collect both the types of categories we want and what questions would be in the category.  For example:

ITEM INFO

Contact Info

• Ad URL
• Phone
• Email
• Website

Physical Info

• Age
• Ethnicity
• Height
• Weight
• Body Build
• Style

Massage

• Type (Sports, Deep Tissue, Erotic, etc)
• Experience (years)
• Location (In-call, Out-call, etc)

REVIEW INFO

• Location (City, State, Country)
• Date of Encounter
• Session Type (In, Out, etc)
• Session Length
• Rate (Price ranges...  100-199, 200-299, 300-399, etc)
• Would You Hire Again (Rate of 5 stars)
• Did They Match Description (Rate of 5 stars)
• Lived Up To Expectations (Rate of 5 stars)
• Review Details (A text box similar to replying to a post to free-form describe your experience.)

I need to do this for both individual masseurs and for spas.  I would anticipate there would be different things you would want to know about a spa versus someone who is freelance. Let me know the types of info you think are critical to ask about both the item (person) and about the encounter itself.  

[Matt Johnson]

This sounds great!

[RadioRob]

I pasted this in the Deli...  but below is a mockup of what an a page might look like.... basically all of the personal info would be along the left hand side of the page.  The reviews themselves would be listed on the right hand side.  This is a work in progress and subject to change. I just thought ya'll would like to see the overall direction I'm moving towards.

[TectonicThrust]

Will you be able to incorporate what has already been shared about specific providers and places from the existing forums or do we need to start from scratch? 

[Dallas Jayson]

This is great! Average rating/number of reviews is very good! One thing I find helpful is the ability to know a bit about the reviewer with regard to a written review.

[RadioRob]

4 hours ago, TectonicThrust said:

Will you be able to incorporate what has already been shared about specific providers and places from the existing forums or do we need to start from scratch? 

I can't directly import "reviews" from the forums as there is no way to map all of the fields we would collect.  BUT...  the goal would be to take each provider record and each one would have a master forum thread.  Check out the following topic for more details:

This would mean we would end up with a single thread for discussion about someone and if another one gets posted, we may end up merging it into the master thread.  

[Bluefin]

This is amazing thank you!

[Jamie21]

Important considerations for masseurs are:

- what oil does he use (this reveals those using baby oil who aren’t really masseurs!) and is important because some clients have allergies to nut based oils.

- out calls with a table (another indicator of level of professionalism)

- does he accept payment by credit card as well as cash

[RadioRob]

3 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

- what oil does he use (this reveals those using baby oil who aren’t really masseurs!) and is important because some clients have allergies to nut based oils.

What sort of options should be listed in a drop-down?

[Bluefin]

Something about the accuracy of photos would be useful. 

[RadioRob]

2 minutes ago, Bluefin said:

Something about the accuracy of photos would be useful. 

That would be the “Did They Match Description (Rate of 5 stars)”  

Please keep the suggestions and feedback coming!  This is new for the spa… I want this to actually be useful!

[Jamie21]

1 hour ago, RadioRob said:

What sort of options should be listed in a drop-down?

Coconut oil, grapeseed oil, sunflower oil, or massage creams. Those are the main options. People also want to know if it’s scented (some clients prefer unscented … for discretion).

[RadioRob]

I could throw oil used under the same category as “type of massage” unless there are other tool type of things.  How much do people care about tables or hot stones, etc?  If so… what should be asked about them?  What options for the questions?

[56harrisond]

19 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

Coconut oil, grapeseed oil, sunflower oil, or massage creams. Those are the main options. People also want to know if it’s scented (some clients prefer unscented … for discretion).

As a client, I wouldn't know the difference between types of oil, except maybe coconut because I could smell coconut. 

[Phillyman]

I would suggest "Ease of scheduling an appointment" or "Response time to first inquiry" or something to rate the responsiveness of the masseur to serious inquiries.

[jeezifonly]

10 hours ago, RadioRob said:

I could throw oil used under the same category as “type of massage” unless there are other tool type of things.  How much do people care about tables or hot stones, etc?  If so… what should be asked about them?  What options for the questions?

(TABLE: yes/no)

this is paramount info for me. It’s the first thing I check about masseur’s services/amenities. Some remain vague in ads. 

[Cruiser7]

On 4/21/2023 at 8:37 AM, RadioRob said:

How much do people care about tables

Personally, it’s make or break for me. If someone doesn’t have a table for incalls and/or doesn’t travel with one for outcalls, I’m not interested, regardless of rate or looks. 

[+ EVdude]

5 hours ago, Cruiser7 said:

Personally, it’s make or break for me. If someone doesn’t have a table for incalls and/or doesn’t travel with one for outcalls, I’m not interested, regardless of rate or looks. 

Yep… no table, no go!

Also for private masseurs, would like to know they if they offered their shower before or after the session.

Fot spas, same shower question but would also like to know if they offer table scrubs. 

[Simon Suraci]

@RadioRob Thank you for your hard work putting the review platform together! Great base format. Here are a few input items, in no particular order of preference or importance:

1. Shower available: Y/N

2. Home city (or “primary” city?)

3. Differentiate between massage “modality” as in sports, deep tissue, Lomi Lomi, Swedish, Reiki, etc and “sensual / erotic” as a separate category altogether, however you want to label it. It’s nice to know what the masseur does apart from anything erotic or sensual. Erotic/sensual is no a replacement for a primary modality as such. The modality could be a check all that apply item.

4. Massage table: Y/N. It’s important to know this. If the answer is no, the implication is that the massage is on a bed, couch, mat/floor, and these are generally inappropriate and unprofessional ways to give a massage, although it happens frequently. Nice to know the level of professionalism and this is one of the biggest base indicators. Applies to incall or outcall, so no need to differentiate. I agree with @Jamie21

5. Previous aliases, similar comment to those in the Deli thread.

6. Rates are a touchy subject. My two cents: let the client put rate/fee info in their review content, since there are so many reasons why a rate or total “fee” may vary apples to oranges with another masseur. The client can elaborate if desired.

7. This may be unpopular, but a field to indicate how much a client tipped may be helpful to show others what is normal, or conversely, if the reviewer is not tipping, under tipping or overtipping, and the review content can support why.

8. Skill level: 1-5 stars

9. Reliability: 1-5 stars

10. Formal training: Y/N

11. Responsiveness: 1-5 stars

12. Ability to post multiple platform URLs for quick reference, such as MasseurFinder, RentMasseur, RentMen, FriendBoy, MintBoys, shared couple/collaborator profiles etc.

13. Payment methods accepted: check all that apply: Cash, Zelle, Venmo, Credit Cards, Apple Pay, CashApp, PayPal, etc.

14. Massage equipment (besides table): check all that apply. Theragun, hot towels, aromatherapy, candles, hot stones. A little help from others on more options would be nice. I mention theragun because some guys rely on these too heavily as a way to not actually massage the client. Why bother hiring? Some use it only as a supplement which is fine.

15. Music: 1-5 stars

16. Additional services: check all that apply. Body Scrubs. Grooming. Esthetician services (covers a fairly wide range from waxing to facials). Others help me out by adding more ideas. I do body sculpting (laser lipo) but I know that’s much less common.

17. Massage products used. Same comment as @Jamie21 but I would include a simplified drop-down list: natural oil, massage cream, massage gel, baby oil (to out the bad ones who actually use this!), and “other”.

[JayinHKNYC]

I agree with @Simon Suraci about somehow distinguishing between rates and tops. When it Saya someone paid $280 vs $200, how much was the rate upsell for erotic vs how much the client just gave as a tip?

[Dr.Daddy]

What about options like:

massages in the nude (yes/no)

mutual touch ok (yea/no)

… and then something about level or quality of sensual or erotic elements? HE? More? lol 

[+ EVdude]

3 hours ago, JayinHKNYC said:

I agree with @Simon Suraci about somehow distinguishing between rates and tops.

… and “tops”? Freudian slip? 😆

[JayinHKNYC]

2 minutes ago, EVdude said:

… and “tops”? Freudian slip? 😆

I didn't notice what auto-correct had done but tops are always welcome.

[RadioRob]

20 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

@RadioRob Thank you for your hard work putting the review platform together! Great base format. Here are a few input items, in no particular order of preference or importance:

1. Shower available: Y/N

2. Home city (or “primary” city?)

3. Differentiate between massage “modality” as in sports, deep tissue, Lomi Lomi, Swedish, Reiki, etc and “sensual / erotic” as a separate category altogether, however you want to label it. It’s nice to know what the masseur does apart from anything erotic or sensual. Erotic/sensual is no a replacement for a primary modality as such. The modality could be a check all that apply item.

4. Massage table: Y/N. It’s important to know this. If the answer is no, the implication is that the massage is on a bed, couch, mat/floor, and these are generally inappropriate and unprofessional ways to give a massage, although it happens frequently. Nice to know the level of professionalism and this is one of the biggest base indicators. Applies to incall or outcall, so no need to differentiate. I agree with @Jamie21

5. Previous aliases, similar comment to those in the Deli thread.

6. Rates are a touchy subject. My two cents: let the client put rate/fee info in their review content, since there are so many reasons why a rate or total “fee” may vary apples to oranges with another masseur. The client can elaborate if desired.

7. This may be unpopular, but a field to indicate how much a client tipped may be helpful to show others what is normal, or conversely, if the reviewer is not tipping, under tipping or overtipping, and the review content can support why.

8. Skill level: 1-5 stars

9. Reliability: 1-5 stars

10. Formal training: Y/N

11. Responsiveness: 1-5 stars

12. Ability to post multiple platform URLs for quick reference, such as MasseurFinder, RentMasseur, RentMen, FriendBoy, MintBoys, shared couple/collaborator profiles etc.

13. Payment methods accepted: check all that apply: Cash, Zelle, Venmo, Credit Cards, Apple Pay, CashApp, PayPal, etc.

14. Massage equipment (besides table): check all that apply. Theragun, hot towels, aromatherapy, candles, hot stones. A little help from others on more options would be nice. I mention theragun because some guys rely on these too heavily as a way to not actually massage the client. Why bother hiring? Some use it only as a supplement which is fine.

15. Music: 1-5 stars

16. Additional services: check all that apply. Body Scrubs. Grooming. Esthetician services (covers a fairly wide range from waxing to facials). Others help me out by adding more ideas. I do body sculpting (laser lipo) but I know that’s much less common.

17. Massage products used. Same comment as @Jamie21 but I would include a simplified drop-down list: natural oil, massage cream, massage gel, baby oil (to out the bad ones who actually use this!), and “other”.

Lots of good ideas here.  Things like Home City, Former Names and all of the features I talked about I the escort database also apply here.  Those are features of the review application and can apply for ANY category we create.  

Some thoughts...

• Should the massage table be noted in the item record (meaning in the record about the person) or down in the review?  If the value is going to be the same 90% of the time, it can go into the item record so that it does not have to be noted for every single review.  But if it's a coin toss...  it's more likely better within the specific session review.
• Rates... my thought was to put this into the review itself (not the item record).  It was going to be a drop down of ranges ( < 100, 100-199, 200-299, 300-399, 400+).  If something is a dropdown menu or something with pre-determined field values, that field can be filterable later.  So I could say show me providers in Washington DC that is in this price range.
• Regarding multiple platforms... I need to think on this more.  Right now I'm only really easily able to capture one value.  Ideally I would need something that optionally lets a user add another value, but does not require it and does not display the box unless clicked.
  
  Something like the above would be what I need...  but there is not a concept of that in the default form fields today.  I would need to figure out how to develop that.  This will most likely be in a later phase.  
• Payment methods...  an item level question or a review question?  
• Massage equipment...  is this meant to be what was used during the session or what the person has available?  (This will determine if this ends up being an item question or a review question)
• Additional services...  same as above.  

[RadioRob]

10 hours ago, JayinHKNYC said:

I agree with @Simon Suraci about somehow distinguishing between rates and tops. When it Saya someone paid $280 vs $200, how much was the rate upsell for erotic vs how much the client just gave as a tip?

 

8 hours ago, Dr.Daddy said:

What about options like:

massages in the nude (yes/no)

mutual touch ok (yea/no)

… and then something about level or quality of sensual or erotic elements? HE? More? lol 

For the rate field, I can make a note describing the field as "The price you agreed to at the time of booking". 

Regarding the concept of "extras"...  I have to be careful with those fields.  We don't want to get someone in trouble.  My thought is to treat those like I plan to do with escorts.  Have a special "premium" sections where those questions can be put.  (SHORT TERM those fields once available will be available to anyone signed in.  LONG TERM...  those may be turned into some sort of premium membership item.  It's something I'm thinking about in terms of figuring out how to support the site long-term.)