Changing times or is it me?

[MichiganMan]

Into my third year of hiring escorts, I've noticed an odd change in setting up appointments. When I first started my encounters about two years ago, I would contact an escort via email in any given city I was traveling to, asking politely if they would be interested in meeting. About 95% of the time I would receive a response within 48 hours. Then,I would email dates, times,hotel info,etc, and a meeting would be set. I've been blessed with many wonderful encounters (some repeats). Now....fast forward to mid 2003...I'd be happy with a 9% response rate. Nothing has changed on my end, yet, seemingly, escorts advertise yet don't respond to emails. Not even a "not interested" as I often politely request in my second, and final, email. Even one prominent escort that posts here on a regular basis falls into that category. What gives? I know that most escorts may prefer phone contact (which I have ALWAYS done when I was requested to), yet, is it too much to expect a response? I prefer to do overnights, so I would think this would be lucrative for an escort. Any advice or comments would be appreciated.....

[KY_TOP]

I also have seen an increase in Escorts going multiple days before responding to an e-mail. So Escorts, do you prefer to be contacted by phone?

[seaboy4hire]

Personaly I try very hard to reply within 24 hrs if not sooner. There is one website guys4rent.com I believe that forward messages. I have noticed that sometimes when email is forwarded from these services it is often 24 hrs after the fact and the person has left. But if you are emailing the guys to their personal email addresses they should at least I feel respond within 24 hrs. I'm sorry that you are not getting that courtisey. But at the same time I have replied to clients and never recieved a reply even so it goes both ways.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[guptasa1]

I have to wonder if at least a small bit of this is various spam filtering software many ISP's now use accidentally catching and filtering legitimate messages pertaining to escorting. A while ago, there were none of these to deal with, so it wasn't a possibility. I know legitimate messages get caught by my spam filter (MSN) on a fairly regular though still occasional basis (I check it daily and train it when it messes up, but it does a fairly good job besides an occasional mixup).

 

I've personally found contacting escorts to be hit or miss (though I've only been doing it a short time). Either they're very responsive and generally timely (and if not apologize and explain why) OR you don't get a response at all/the responses you do get are untimely, unhelpful, or both. My experience also suggests communication is a good indicator of the experience. The few bad (or at best mediocre) experiences I have all have one common denominator - either poor upfront communication (short, untimely, rushed responses) or no upfront communication with an escort (an agency misrepresenting them).

 

At any rate, with the exception of trying an agency a few times (something I probably wouldn't do often - my own experience has been a great deal of misrepresentation goes on), I generally MUCH prefer making contact with an escort by e-mail first. Much of that is me being so shy, but I do find it difficult to call someone and talk to them right off the bat to make arrangements. I find it much more comfortable to send a few e-mails first before making that phone contact.

[AaronScottDC]

Any advice or comments

>would be appreciated.....

 

Hey Michigan, sorry to hear about your inability to get emails returned from escorts. I always try to reply back within 24 hours when ever possible. I think it is only professional to do so.

 

As to why it seems to be happening more now than in the past, I have a few ideas. For one, as was already mentioned in this thread, some spam filters may catch the email messages and they never reach the escort. Or, if you aren't putting an appropriate title on your message, the escort himself may inadvertently put the email in the trash without ever opening it. With as many viruses as there are out there these days, a message with only the title "hi" will most certainly get tossed in the circular file. So, make sure you put relevant info in the title, like "Coming to DC on Feb. 3rd" or "Possible client seeking information from Aaron", etc.

 

Another reason why more emails may go unanswered is because sites like Men4Rent and a few others have systems where non-paying escort's pictures show up, but their email links don't work. It appears that you have successfully sent them a message when you click on the link from the site, but it doesn't ever really get sent to the escort unless they pay the fees for the site.

 

Other escort sites which are free, often attract guys who may put up pictures for fun and aren't really serious about running a business. They did it on a lark, or only for a month or two and aren't working anymore. The free sites tend not to remove such ads very quickly, so maybe you are just choosing a lot of guys who aren't working anymore.

 

Lastly, if you are using AOL (or, A-Oh-Hell) then maybe that is the problem. It seems like every now and then, I receive a message from someone using AOL and no matter what I do to try to respond to their message, it just keeps getting bounced back to me. Anyone still using that horrible internet provider should just be aware that some of your email may not actually work.

 

I hope some of this info helps. And, if anyone ever sends me a message and doesn't hear from me, certainly let me know in the message center. I would love to know something like this.

 

Aaron Scott DC

http://www.erados.com/AaronScottDC

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[eastbayguy]

Agreed on the difficulty in contacting escorts. I rarely hire anymore because I send e-mail or phone or whatever and just never hear back. Apparently, escorts have all the work they need or want these days and aren't looking for more.

 

--EBG

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Difficult Is Never As Easy As It Seems

 

I believe several people, particularly Aaron, gave some good suggestion. This issue has also been discussed before and there are several threads about it in the archieves.

 

A few thoughts:

 

Michigan Man, that you are not getting responses AT all, is regretable, unfortunate and rude. In some instances, as Aaron and some clients pointed out, spam filters might have kept your e-mails out of the IN box or your subject line did not appear relevant enough and your response got deleted. A few years ago, while spam was a problem, it was not as bad, so this may be one reason why, in the past, you got a higher respose. However, Michigan Man, I do not mean to imply you need to change your style. But I, like many other escorts, get a number of e-mails from prospective clients that say only "Hi" or "Hello Franco" and we either delete all of those or wade through the spam. Software now exists which an add the recipients name, so even putting "Hello ESCORT" is not necessarily sufficient, but if I were the escort, I would certainly open such e-mail.

 

Another thing which has been discussed here in the past is that two-edged sword: when escorts travel, either with or without clients, they may have limited or no e-mail access. Clients certainly do not want them to spend time that should be spent with the clients answering the e-mails of other clients. But they also want rapid responses to their e-mails. So, some patience is called for. This does not excuse no response. Even if the client has come and gone, I always send a response. Other escorts, in my opinion, should, but again, I cannot speak for everyone else.

 

That said, e-mails really are an efficient way to contact and meet escorts. There are several things we can all do:

 

If you are an AOL user writing to an escort or client on AOL, you can request a RETURN RECEIPT. Some e-mail utility programs will also allow you to do this, but RETURN RECEIPTS are not always an option. Finally, if you are using a site (Rent Boy, Guys 4 Rent) and having problems, write directly to the web master. You are a primary end user of their site and if you make them aware of a problem and they do not intercede (to cut short the lag time, for example, or make sure the contact information in their content is working).

[MichiganMan]

RE: Difficult Is Never As Easy As It Seems

 

Hey guys...thanks for the pointers. Usually, the subject matter is filled in by the website...for instance...if I contact an escort through americanmale....it fills in "I saw you on americanmale" or something like that. If it doesn't....I ALWAYS put "meeting" in the subject line. As mentioned, spam filters might be the problem. Again, on Friday I tried to contact a "new listing" escort on americanmale, as I have a west coast trip soon....and....again....no response...VERY frustrating!!!

[AaronScottDC]

RE: Difficult Is Never As Easy As It Seems

 

>Hey guys...thanks for the pointers. Usually, the subject

>matter is filled in by the website...for instance...if I

>contact an escort through americanmale....it fills in "I saw

>you on americanmale" or something like that. If it

>doesn't....I ALWAYS put "meeting" in the subject line. As

>mentioned, spam filters might be the problem. Again, on Friday

>I tried to contact a "new listing" escort on americanmale, as

>I have a west coast trip soon....and....again....no

>response...VERY frustrating!!!

 

Yeah, Americanmale has a LOT of guy's who aren't currently working listed on it. It is one of the free sites that allows anyone to put up a pic/info, but doesn't do much to monitor whether or not they are really working boys.

 

You would think that a "new listing" guy would be safe, but I still wouldn't bank on it. Either contact someone from this site with recent reviews, or look for a better escort advertising site than Americanmale, Guys4rent, etc.

 

Aaron Scott DC

http://www.erados.com/AaronScottDC

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

American Male

 

Actually, the web master on American Male has been very proactively verifying the listings (this was done within the last twelve months), and only listing genuinely current escorts as "new" (usually, only two to three weeks from the current date).

 

In your case, Michigan Man, at least with American Male and other such sites (and you are correct, these sites do put the "I SAW YOU ON . . . ." in the subject line), is that the e-mail utility program of the escorts is putting the e-mail in the spam folder of the escorts. Hyperlinks, adult content, any number of other factors. Some escorts may either be dumping their spam folders without looking at them or may not check them regularly enough.

 

Unfortunately, there are a number of factors which may impact your communication and that of other clients, and sometimes persistence and patience is the best suggestion IF you have a particular desire for a particular escort.

[KY_TOP]

>"Coming to DC on Feb. 3rd" or

>"Possible client seeking information from Aaron", etc.

 

I always put "visiting _____ Feb 2-5" in the heading when e-mailing an Escort and except for once, I direct e-mail the Escort from the address listed with their review. As someone that has hired often for the past 2 years, I have seen a definite increase in slow or no response to e-mail. It seems the NYC and LA guys respond better to phone calls. And how did you know I will be in DC on Feb 3rd?

[+ deej]

RE: Difficult Is Never As Easy As It Seems

 

>Yeah, Americanmale has a LOT of guy's who aren't currently

>working listed on it. It is one of the free sites that allows

>anyone to put up a pic/info, but doesn't do much to monitor

>whether or not they are really working boys.

 

Hmmm.

 

I had a last-minute booking opportunity last weekend and chose from my favorites on Amercianmale.net. It being last minute, I opted for phone calls.

 

Left a voice mail on the 1st call. The 2nd guy I called answered the phone, sounded delightful, and we booked it and I had a fabulous time. When I got home, I had voice mail from the first guy apologizing for missing my call and telling me he's out of town. Two days later, he called *again* just to make sure I got his voice mail.

 

I was actually sorta stunned. For good, for bad, or otherwise, it just wasn't expected to call two guys and actually talk to two guys.

 

Not *all* the LA guys are flakes. It just seems that way some days. ;-)

[nate_sf]

I think the answers here probably get at the roots of the problem. Three years ago, the web sites your were browsing and sending e-mail through were newer and the listings more current. And there were no spam filers, which I've found have weeded out some of my legitimate e-mail along with the piles of spam.

 

I'd just suggest that if there is someone you're really interested in and you haven't receieved a response, follow up with a phone call to see if he got the e-mail. This was how I'd found out I'd missed one once. If after a phone call he's a jerk or doesn't return your call, better to find out sooner than later!

[nate_sf]

I think the answers here probably get at the roots of the problem. Three years ago, the web sites your were browsing and sending e-mail through were newer and the listings more current. And there were no spam filers, which I've found have weeded out some of my legitimate e-mail along with the piles of spam.

 

I'd just suggest that if there is someone you're really interested in and you haven't receieved a response, follow up with a phone call to see if he got the e-mail. This was how I'd found out I'd missed one once. If after a phone call he's a jerk or doesn't return your call, better to find out sooner than later!

[MichiganMan]

I have considered phone contact when I don't get an email response, but, more often than not, a phone number is not listed. Here is another example of what recently happened. I FINALLY made email contact with a "new" Phoenix escort. He was brief, and asked me what I was into. I replied, and, respectfully asked that if he was not interested (my tastes are pretty vanilla) to simply reply with a two word ...."not interested". I know for a fact that he got my email. If this were an isolated case it might not bother me, but it seems to be the norm any more. Maybee it's just me, but somehow I equate contact courtesy (mutual) with how a meeting may go...maybee I'm just expecting too much from an overnight meeting???

[MichiganMan]

I have considered phone contact when I don't get an email response, but, more often than not, a phone number is not listed. Here is another example of what recently happened. I FINALLY made email contact with a "new" Phoenix escort. He was brief, and asked me what I was into. I replied, and, respectfully asked that if he was not interested (my tastes are pretty vanilla) to simply reply with a two word ...."not interested". I know for a fact that he got my email. If this were an isolated case it might not bother me, but it seems to be the norm any more. Maybee it's just me, but somehow I equate contact courtesy (mutual) with how a meeting may go...maybee I'm just expecting too much from an overnight meeting???

[rickyricardo]

Well since my bulk of advertising is done over the internet, me computer is my main source of communication. True, I have cellphone but I like talking with the client via email prior to the appointment or speaking over the phone. I guess because me have emails design to give clients information that are question normally asked. It saves a lot of time over the phone in conversation. I answer email more likely the same day, just long as I am not too busy w/ school that day otherwise it will be answered the following day. The only time I dont answer emails is when I take a escorting free day off. I myself do take off a day where I turn my phone off an shut computer down. Where I have no contact w/ any part of my escorting life. This done to prevent burn out. I do this periodically not every week. Now its days I choose not to work I will answer my phone an emails but not take appointments. But on a general basis all emails are answered propely. I sorry you have had such problems with escorts who have no respond to your emails. Maybe they are too busy to answer them? who knows???

[rickyricardo]

Well since my bulk of advertising is done over the internet, me computer is my main source of communication. True, I have cellphone but I like talking with the client via email prior to the appointment or speaking over the phone. I guess because me have emails design to give clients information that are question normally asked. It saves a lot of time over the phone in conversation. I answer email more likely the same day, just long as I am not too busy w/ school that day otherwise it will be answered the following day. The only time I dont answer emails is when I take a escorting free day off. I myself do take off a day where I turn my phone off an shut computer down. Where I have no contact w/ any part of my escorting life. This done to prevent burn out. I do this periodically not every week. Now its days I choose not to work I will answer my phone an emails but not take appointments. But on a general basis all emails are answered propely. I sorry you have had such problems with escorts who have no respond to your emails. Maybe they are too busy to answer them? who knows???

[Guest Ryker]

Is "Michigan Man" your e-mail name? I wonder if some recipients might misread it as "Michelin Man" and think you are a huge blubber man? You might see if you have better luck with a different email name. Just a thought.

 

Also, how much advance notice do you give? If someone is on a long hire, or on vacation, they may think there's no reason to respond if they've already missed your trip.

 

I agree with others that the proliferation of everything on the internet is probably having an impact. I'm amazed at how many emails can come in, and it is getting harder to keep track of them all. However, an inquiry about an overnight visit would certainly go to the top of MY list.

 

Regarding writing back "not interested"...that sounds rather insulting, and some guys just will not send an email that may seem insulting. It's amazing how vengeful some guys get when they receive an email that they perceive as insulting.

 

Ryker

http://www.RykerLA.com

[MichiganMan]

Cute...I like the MichelinMan line. Sorry, I use my REAL name in contacting an Escort. How much notice do I give an escort you ask. Well,in my first email I state that I will be visiting in the near future,and,if by some veeeery unusual circumstance they ACTUALLY answer,the trip is generally two to three weeks away. Again, I have NOT chnaged my approch in ANY way in the last two years, my method of making contact worked 95 plus % of the time. I'd guess it's less than 10% now. And, as I stated, would it be too much to ask for a "not interested" reply? A simple courtesy I'd say!!