Is this vandalism?

[BtmBearDad]

After all these years, and after all the iterations of this site from HooBoys to CofM, I’ve never understood the zealotry of the anti-tattoo brigade 🤷🏼‍♂️

We get it - you all loathe tattoos with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. Fair enough. But, what’s with the need to constantly point out your views every opportunity you can?

There are tons of posts made about gents that tick no boxes for me - whether it’s a 411 request, something in the galleries, or under fetishes - but I don’t stop to point out what I find unattractive about “X”. I just move on to the next post - like a normal person. 

It’s not just limited to tattoos - tho the anti-tattoo brigade are the most vocal - there’s the “too hairy”, “too old”, “too muscled”, “too skinny”, “too many piercings”, ad infinitum replies that in fairness don’t need to be made - and often are made by hobbyists no where near where the gent in question advertises, and/or by hobbyists who have previously stated they have retired from this hobby. 

Honestly, this constant whingeing about gents with tattoos makes you all sound like a bunch of old men yelling at the kids to stay off your lawn. 
 

BBD 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

I have to agree with @BtmBearDad. All of this reads as an assumption that some of you have a right to these men's bodies. Or that you have a stake in how their bodies look. There's very little difference between this kind of toxic masculine entitlement and anti-abortion zealots. 

These escorts are people who deserve bodily autonomy.

How would any of you feel if I posted pictures of you and slammed your looks? Or maybe I should start a thread on how I think tanning is gross. "Why do these beautiful young men scar and age themselves with tanning?" Maybe I should start a lengthy thread on my dislike of facial hair and how it obscures handsome faces? 

If you do not care for an escorts looks, DO NOT BOOK him. But creating threads picking apart people's looks is presumptuous and dehumanizing. Tattoos are a frequent topic but there's lots of dehumanizing conversations about escorts that really should be removed by the moderators. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, KensingtonHomo said:

I have to agree with @BtmBearDad. All of this reads as an assumption that some of you have a right to these men's bodies. Or that you have a stake in how their bodies look. There's very little difference between this kind of toxic masculine entitlement and anti-abortion zealots. 

These escorts are people who deserve bodily autonomy.

How would any of you feel if I posted pictures of you and slammed your looks? Or maybe I should start a thread on how I think tanning is gross. "Why do these beautiful young men scar and age themselves with tanning?" Maybe I should start a lengthy thread on my dislike of facial hair and how it obscures handsome faces? 

If you do not care for an escorts looks, DO NOT BOOK him. But creating threads picking apart people's looks is presumptuous and dehumanizing. Tattoos are a frequent topic but there's lots of dehumanizing conversations about escorts that really should be removed by the moderators. 

So you're vigorously asserting the right for the tatted men to express themselves (with which I agree), while wanting to deny other people (those who don't like massive tattoos) do express themselves? 🤣 Doesn't that manifest the height of hypocrisy? I have just as much right to express myself as he does. For the record, as far as I know Dustin McNeer hasn't worked as an escort, though he does have an OnlyFans site (maybe this string will actually bring him some business--the string may actually benefit him--and certainly won't harm his business). 

While we're at it, let's prohibit any negative restaurant reviews, art critics, and so on. Really, I don't dislike Mr. McNeer in the least. Even after what he's done, I still think he's gorgeous, for the record. However, I am somewhat horrified by what he's done to his skin, and I have every right to express that opinion. And, yes, he has every right (ill-advised as it may be) to express himself with body art if he so chooses. 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

44 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Doesn't that manifest the height of hypocrisy?

No. It is not hypocritical to say that people have a right to bodily autonomy AND that it's wrong for you to take a well-known person and pick them apart publicly. It means I see providers, porn actors, whatever as full human beings, that do not exist solely or primarily for my sexual gratification.

Conflating what you did with reviewing a restaurant or a piece of art is literally dehumanizing. You're comparing these man to inanimate objects. 

But people are not restaurants or statues. And you are not discussing a service he provided, like massage, or saying a restaurant's food wasn't to your taste. 

You are criticizing his body and his appearance on a semi-public forum, which he could see. Again, if I posted pictures of you and went through all the ways I perceive your appearance to be flawed how would you feel? 

[BtmBearDad]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

let's prohibit any negative restaurant reviews, art critics, and so on

This is such a sophomoric statement, and you know that. You’re making a straw man argument in order to justify your position. 

A restaurant review, a movie review, etc. are entirely different than what you and your fellow anti-tattoos zealots constantly do on these forums. A restaurant review critiques the service, the food, the cleanliness, the ambience  - I’ve never seen a restaurant review critique the wall colour, the art on display, the window treatments, the upholstery patterns. Why? Because it doesn’t matter. What is included in the review is there to allow potential clients to determine whether or not to spend their money at the establishment. The review offers value - which is the exact opposite of what your constant whingeing about tattoos (and the rest) offer. 

No one is saying you can’t have an opinion on tattoos, body hair, facial hair, piercings, et al - all that is being said is that there is no value to be found in these types of posts. This is especially true with the 411 posts, where hobbyists are looking for information on providers before engaging them. They’ve obviously seen their pics, and are clearly OK with whatever tattoos or whatever else offends you that the provider has. What value is a post “ugh! tattoos!” or something equally inane have? None. 

So, again I ask when you see a 411 post, a picture in the galleries, something in the fetish forum, that does nothing for you, why is there this compulsion to reply? Just move on to the next thread like a normal, mature person, and leave the whingeing and moaning about tattoos (or body hair, or piercings, or whatever) to your coffee clutch. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

10 hours ago, Unicorn said:

Well, there's surviving and there's thriving. This man is not an accountant or a computer analyst. This is a man whose entire adult life has been centered on capitalizing on his good looks and smoking body, including when he was 19 and competed on America's Next Top Model. He has an OnlyFans page, from which I'd assume he hopes to make a good profit. Very obviously, it's not just the opinion of the people on this forum which matters, but also that of many others. There's no reason to assume that the opinions of the people on this forum are out of touch with those of others. 

No one would question his right to do what he wants to on his body. The pertinent question is whether it's wise for someone whose livelihood depends significantly on his looks to desecrate his body the way he has. There are some such as myself who can look beyond what he's done and still marvel at his smoking body and handsome face--not enough to subscribe to his OnlyFans, mind you. However, he's just tatted himself out of lot of fans, probably disqualified himself from most model jobs, and, with his neck tattoo, disqualified himself from many other jobs in the workplace. 

I remember going scuba diving a few years ago with a tatted divemaster (not as heavily tatted as Dustin McNeer). A young lady on the boat asked him about his tats, and he gave her wise advice: "Before you get a tattoo, just be sure you know your career path, and that the tats won't affect your livelihood." Mr. McNeer has definitely not followed that advice. 

You're waxing poetic about the modeling industry as if you're a part of it.

Times have indeed changed and so has the modeling industry.  A lot of models with visible ink are now being hired.  A lot.  Campaigns are calling for models who look more like the people they're selling to.  That's a change that's going to stick around. 

Watch runway shows.  Male models with ink are prevalent,

Personally, I have zero ink and that's my choice, however I would never shit on those who do.

Don't like it, that's fine, but starting an entire public thread just to express disgust?  

You're jumping the shark Fonz.

 

 

[arnie]

I only wonder how people will feel in 30 years about what they have done.  I saw a younger woman with a huge video game Mario on her forearm.  Will she be so fascinated with Mario when she is 60?  

[spidir]

https://gayforfans.com/video/having-a-quick-shower-dustin-mcneer-dustymark/

[Guest]

8 hours ago, BtmBearDad said:

....A restaurant review, a movie review, etc. are entirely different than what you and your fellow anti-tattoos zealots constantly do on these forums...

Well, I'm sure the chef at the restaurant also doesn't like to hear disparaging reviews about his food, nor are artists too fond of art critics who don't like their work. Hardly a day goes by in which this man isn't posting pictures of himself on Instagram and elsewhere--he has well over 700 posts, many of which have multiple photos per post. When you put yourself out like that, you'll get criticisms along with the admiration. There have been critics for centuries, and these days everyone's a critic! 😉 He has the right to use his skin to express himself, and to flaunt it. When he does, he should be prepared to hear from all sides. 

Well, this video isn't really accurate... There weren't any artists in North America 2 million years ago! 😄

 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Unicorn

[Kenny]

21 hours ago, RJD said:

shouldn’t be surprised if their “body art” choices start cutting into their client/fan base and income.

The assumption that "their client/fan base" would of course agree with you is ... odd.

[BtmBearDad]

10 hours ago, Unicorn said:

Hardly a day goes by in which this man isn't posting pictures of himself on Instagram and elsewhere--he has well over 700 posts

Here’s a novel idea - if you find him, his tattoos, his daily posting of multiple pics so very offensive, stop following him!!! 

This goes directly to what myself, and others have said previously - no one is forcing you to look at pics of guys who have made choices you find offensive, no one is forcing you to constantly whinge and moan about the fellow in question, and make disparaging comments about him. Yet, for some inexplicable reason, you do. 

For a retired professional man of a certain vintage, this is very childish behaviour. 
 

[BtmBearDad]

To @BenjaminNicholas point above, see below. @Unicorn guess you’ll need to check out whether hotels employ *gasp!* staff with tattoos before you book now! 😂

 

https://apple.news/Ak_T2iDI3RPakM3u-FtoTzQ

[+ KensingtonHomo]

8 hours ago, Unicorn said:

There have been critics for centuries, and these days everyone's a critic! 😉 He has the right to use his skin to express himself, and to flaunt it. When he does, he should be prepared to hear from all sides.

What part of he's a human being are you having trouble with? There's no comparison in remarking on or reviewing an inanimate object, or a service that is being provided, and someone's body or other physical characteristic. It's like going to a restaurant and saying "the service was terrible and the waiter was homely." The first is fine; the second is dehumanizing. 

[Bucky]

One example of a 22yo Colombian beauty who just last month updated his look. 

It's just so..... permanent. 

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Bucky

[CuriousByNature]

Tattoos or no tattoos, true beauty is more than skin deep.

[TorontoDrew]

Be positive.  Comment about what you find attractive, not complain about what you don't.

[EastCoastBtm]

Side note - While walking in Center City Philadelphia last week, I noted a storefront on a second floor that I missed - 'Removery' - which is a "franchised tattoo removal clinic". 

Looks like the product lifecycle has come full circle first with a significant increase in media, TV shows about tattoos, increase in the number of tattoo parlors, and now, a retail operation specializing in tattoo removal.