married clients

[Rod Hagen]

>Sorry, Rod, I didn't read it. Why don't you tell us about

>it?

 

I respect you too much to give you a synopsis. Dig through your recycling bin.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

>This is an interesting thread.

 

>And at the risk of offending all of you truly good guys who appreciate our predicament

>and who aren't quite so holier-than-thou, I find it amusing that some of you think

>we should listen to a sermon on morality from a guy who gets paid $200 an hour to fuck us in the ass.

 

I actually get paid less, on occassion, and more on occassion, and have yet to have a single client: virginal or not, married to a man or woman or not, bisexual or straight, gay or confused who has requested or to whom I have offered a sermon on morality.

 

As a former alter boy, and one who bears no scars from abuse as I myself was a virgin until 17, I can only offer the following: Money doesn't buy everything, it's true .... but what it can't buy, I can't use with it's logical coda --

 

Love is no substitute for sex.

 

http://photos.yahoo.com/franco4hire

[Guest Charon]

FYI. You can read much of the NY times online. That's where I read it a few days ago. The link is still available at:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/12/international/asia/12CHIN.html

[Bilbo]

RE: preaching morality

 

I haven't preached morality myself, only tried to make clear what my own personal morality (which comes into play in my sessions because I am there, too) is.

 

But the one time that I was entrapped, I thought about (or thought about later and it has become part of that mythos in my mind) telling the man that I wasn't there to have sex with him for money, that I had lied over the phone, that I was actually using this as a way to find the men whom I knew needed the particular message that I wanted to bring to them - and then pulling the Gideon Bible out of its drawer and teaching them how it was OK to be gay. Oh, well, either way I didn't do it, and it probably wouldn't have worked, anyway. :+

[Guest Willy]

>Bilbo and perhaps Thunder are the only people in this thread

>who seem to care about the fact that married men who see

>male prostitutes secretly are deceiving and betraying

>someone with whom they have a relationship that is supposed

>to be based on trust. We can all ponder whether we should

>feel bound to respect laws made by straight people who

>harbor prejudices against what we do. But marriage is a

>choice that one makes of one's own free will, not something

>that is forced upon one by a far-off group of politicians.

>If one chooses to be in a relationship one ought to honor

>the commitments it involves, not try to weasel out of them.

 

 

What one "ought" to do and what one's pecker orders one to do are two very different things. But hey, guilty pleasure is the best pleasure, because your heart beats faster and it's a physical fact that blood flow = better sex. This is why priests explode like Old Faithful when they cum, and maybe even like Krakatoa if it's a high school wrestler talkin' dirty.

 

Yes, married men, what you are doing is bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad ... uh uh uh uh ... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRR !!

 

Now put the money on the table.

[Rod Hagen]

Human's aren't dogs. "Lust made me do it" is weak.

[Guest Tomcal_]

RE: Rosie O'Donnell would be pissed

 

>>Gay people can have "family

>>life" and/or be loving parents without being in the closet &

>>having an opposite-sex partner.

>

>That's true - but they can't live in Orange County, CA!

I do live in O.C., and yes I am married, two kids, little league coach, and Gay,I hate the term "straight acting" i am not acting it is the way I am. I knew I was gay, when I was in H.S. but the only gay guys i knew where effeminate type guys, and that didn't interest me, i played sports both in H.S. and college scholorship for BB and dates girls exclusively(marrried the college cheerleader to prove a point ,I guess), as any sex was better then no sex. After I got married, I met through work , a guy who was gdlkg, masculine and gay, through him met alot of other guys and so started on my gay sex adventure in my 30's. But...I have an obligation to my kids to provide a stable home life until they are on their own, so while not the best of situations for me, it is the best for my family for now, have been having sex with guys for the past 5 years and maintaining a marriage. Someday i am sure it will change. So that's one explanation for married guys hiring escorts, and it does happen in " Orange County"!!!

[Guest regulation]

>Human's aren't dogs. "Lust made me do it" is weak.

 

True, Rod, humans aren't dogs. To quote FDR, however, some of them have every characteristic of a dog except loyalty.

[Guest Willy]

>Human's aren't dogs. "Lust made me do it" is weak.

 

Weak, strong, superhuman, subhuman ... whatever ... you say to-MAY-to I say to-MAH-to ... prostitution is part of life, and the wronger it is the harder you breathe.

[Guest Tomcal_]

>>Gay people can have "family

>>life" and/or be loving parents without being in the closet &

>>having an opposite-sex partner.

>>That's true - but they can't live in Orange County, CA!

 

I do live in O.C., and yes I am married, two kids, little league coach, and Gay,I hate the term "straight acting" i am not acting it is the way I am. I knew I was gay, when I was in H.S. but the only gay guys i knew where effeminate type guys, and that didn't interest me, i played sports both in H.S. and college scholorship for BB and dates girls exclusively(marrried the college cheerleader to prove a point ,I guess), as any sex was better then no sex. After I got married, I met through work , a guy who was gdlkg, masculine and gay, through him met alot of other guys and so started on my gay sex adventure in my 30's. But...I have an obligation to my kids to provide a stable home life until they are on their own, so while not the best of situations for me, it is the best for my family for now, have been having sex with guys for the past 5 years and maintaining a marriage. Someday i am sure it will change. So that's one explanation for married guys hiring escorts, and it does happen in " Orange County"!!!

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>(marrried the college cheerleader to prove a

>point ,I guess),

 

Funny how far we will go just to prove a point. Wonder if you were trying to prove it to yourself or to the rest of the world? If the latter, too bad - they don't deserve it and you didn't owe them anything.

 

>I met through work , a guy who was gdlkg,

>masculine and gay, through him met alot of other guys and so

>started on my gay sex adventure in my 30's.

 

Too bad this didn't happen 10 years earlier!

 

>But...I have an obligation to my kids to provide a stable home life >until they are on their own, so while not the best of situations

>for me, it is the best for my family for now,

 

I admire you for being responsible enough to follow through on this decision. I'm sure you love your children very much.

 

>have been having sex with guys for the past 5 years and maintaining >a marriage. Someday i am sure it will change. So that's one

>explanation for married guys hiring escorts,

 

Reading your post made me rather sad. I could not imagine myself surviveing under similar circumstances. I'm sure that one day it will change for you. I hope you find all the excitement/pleasure/liberation you are looking for.

 

>and it does happen in " Orange County"!!!

 

I always thought EVERYTHING happens in "Orange County"

 

Thunderbuns

[Rod Hagen]

>Human's aren't dogs. "Lust made me do it" is weak.

 

It's come to my attention that this post has been misunderstood. To clarify: The argument that lust can be so compelling that human beings, most often men, become unable to control their behavior, is a week argument.

[Guest regulation]

>>Human's aren't dogs. "Lust made me do it" is weak.

>

>Weak, strong, superhuman, subhuman ... whatever ... you say

>to-MAY-to I say to-MAH-to ... prostitution is part of life,

>and the wronger it is the harder you breathe.

 

 

Since the series of hateful, pointless, angry exchanges you started in the "Are You Embarrassed" thread finally caused the management to shut it down, leaving you the one who was standing up when the music stopped, I'll reply here.

 

My position is what it was from the beginning: the fact that almost all escorts are constrained by market forces from raising their prices beyond a certain level in a given area shows that theirs is a commodity business. People whose product is "custom-made," which is the term you used in your first post on this issue, suffer no such constraint. You were wrong.

 

It remains only to explain why you became so angry, accusatory and hateful when I refused to agree with you. I never suggested that your position, unrealistic as I think it is, will lead you to grief. If your illusions make you happy, in my view, you should cling to them as long as that's possible. But you were never willing to adopt the same live-and-let-live attitude toward me. The fact that you feel compelled to defend your view of prostitutes with such bile-spitting viciousness certainly shows a deep inner conflict; people don't attack those who challenge a position in which they feel secure. They have no need to. You obviously do.

 

I'm sorry you felt forced to fall back on the hoary old "self-hating" cliche that has been so discredited in past discussions on this board. That crap was invented by those on the fringes of the gay community to protect their egos from the disdain in which they're held by the majority of the community. Acknowledging that they're not accepted even by one of the most reviled minorities in this society would, I suppose, be too painful, so they insist that those who dislike them really dislike themselves. Again, cling to the illusion if you must.

 

Another illusion you insist upon (I may soon lose count) is that I'm the only person here who disagrees with you. As phage once pointed out, screaming that all your detractors are really the same person is the tactic of the truly desperate.

 

The question is, why does this issue make you feel desperate? Are you really so dependent on prostitutes for happiness that any denigration of them, even the extremely mild statement that few if any offer truly unique services, sends you into a wide-eyed, gape-mouthed rage? It's not easy for me to understand why you feel so threatened by such a harmless point, but I can't deny the evidence you've provided.

 

There's nothing you can do to change the way I think of or interact with escorts, but if your own self-doubt makes it important that you believe I can't be happy because my views are different from yours, then cling to that. It doesn't affect me one way or the other. It never will.

 

By the way, didn't you use the word "dumb" in your last post when you were (or thought you were) referring to me? Someone who swallows a prostitute's semen calling someone else "dumb?" That's a lot like Bobby Knight calling someone else "rude." Now that is really hard to swallow. :-)

[Traveller]

>As

>phage once pointed out, screaming that all your detractors

>are really the same person is the tactic of the truly

>desperate.

 

 

I find the date that Willy (tell them the boy's here) joined this lifeboat, Feb. 9 - approximately the date of the old Board's meltdown, very intriguing. And nary a peep from such a bright and responsive poster until now. I'd say welcome back T2, but then, I'd be desperate. Anywho, at least he's livened this place up.

 

Later.

 

PS. Willy, what's your favorite snack food? Do you eat it watching Sandra Bullock movies or Meg Ryan flicks? Does it make you think of fluffy clouds or rippling streams? Do you like your crack pounded with your face shoved in the pillow or slammed against the wall?

[Guest Willy]

>I find the date that Willy (tell them the boy's here) joined

>this lifeboat, Feb. 9 - approximately the date of the old

>Board's meltdown, very intriguing. And nary a peep from such

>a bright and responsive poster until now. I'd say welcome

>back T2, but then, I'd be desperate. Anywho, at least he's

>livened this place up.

 

I don't know anything about the "old board's meltdown." In fact, until this posting I didn't know there was an "old"board and a "new" board. Really. I tend not to get that involved in the internecine hoo-hah. My tete-a-tete with "Regulation" was out of character for me. I don't know why I did that.

 

I seem to be able to pass by the chance to argue with old old fairy gasbags, but somehow he (or she?) made me want to argue.

 

>Willy, what's your favorite snack food? Do you eat it

>watching Sandra Bullock movies or Meg Ryan flicks?

 

Favorite snack food? USMC sausage. Better eaten during baseball games than mushy girl movies, though.

 

I can place Meg Ryan. Wasn't she in Sleepless in Seattle? But Sandra Bullock ... it's a name I've heard of but can't place the face or anything. I have a better memory for male actors. George Clooney looked pretty damn good in The Perfect Storm, wouldn't you agree? What laying off the fettucine alfredo for two weeks and not shaving for a day and a half will do for a man ...

 

I always tell my dog that his round ass made him look like Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump. And I really liked David Keith, the guy who killed himself in An Officer and a Gentleman. If he had only known that butt babies don't live, he could have stayed away from that bitch and not had to off himself. I also like that guy in Fight Club, what's his name, um, Brad Pitt?

 

Hey Regulation, who was your role model during childhood? Rock Hudson or Doris Day? Que Serra, Serra ...

 

>Do you like your crack pounded with your face shoved in the pillow

>or slammed against the wall?

 

I don't like getting fucked in the ass. To this I attribute my survival through the plague. But if I did like to take it in the butt, I would like to be on my back, legs spread wide, looking up at a big, tough, grinning champion, with his 9 inches buried to the hilt, bumping into my tonsils.

 

When I was much younger I did that with a guy who had a good 10 inches and half a Quaalude. A nice time!

[Guest Willy]

>Since the series of hateful, pointless, angry exchanges you

>started in the "Are You Embarrassed" thread finally caused

>the management to shut it down, leaving you the one who was

>standing up when the music stopped, I'll reply here.

 

Give it a rest, Reg. We argued that one to death. All Hooboy did was close the casket's lid.

[+ deej]

>Since the series of hateful, pointless, angry exchanges you

>started in the "Are You Embarrassed" thread finally caused

>the management to shut it down, leaving you the one who was

>standing up when the music stopped, I'll reply here.

 

You're not exactly innocent in the exchanges and you know it, and you OBVIOUSLY can't take a hint.

 

x(

[Guest regulation]

>>Since the series of hateful, pointless, angry exchanges you

>>started in the "Are You Embarrassed" thread finally caused

>>the management to shut it down, leaving you the one who was

>>standing up when the music stopped, I'll reply here.

>

>Give it a rest, Reg. We argued that one to death. All Hooboy

>did was close the casket's lid.

 

 

Not crying uncle are you? Well, I suppose you are anxious to get back to your Abba albums.

 

Trav, I must protest. Having been accused of being TT myself on several occasions, I have a certain interest in his -- er, our -- reputation, and I say that this erstwhile disco queen would not make a sizable pimple on TT's rear end. In future please show an appropriate degree of respect for our late comrade.

[Guest regulation]

>You're not exactly innocent in the exchanges and you know

>it, and you OBVIOUSLY can't take a hint.

 

I'm innocent of starting them, as you know. You're well aware of my "no first strike" policy. And if what's-her-name doesn't care to start the whole thing up again you have nothing to fear from me.

[Guest Willy]

>Not crying uncle are you? Well, I suppose you are

>anxious to get back to your Abba albums.

 

What's Abba? No, I'm not crying uncle. I'm saying, move on