married clients

[Guest WestTxGuy]

>What they probably mean, without realizing it, is that they

>wish their husbands had more of the typical gay traits. ;-)

 

Heyyy! What do you mean by that? I'm an ex-high school football jock, still in good shape and completely masculine.

 

...Or could you mean the fact that I enjoy cooking and gardening, know a lot about wine and fine dining, and love the theatre (especially musicals). Is that the gay traits you mean? ...beyond all that sensitive caring kind of shit

[Guest WestTxGuy]

My wife can't be on the pill for other reasons. We use condoms for birth control.

[Guest ShoeDog]

Hey, guys, don't be too judgmental. WestTxGuy could be me, his story is almost identical to mine--and thousands of others. This is how we deal with our lives, and our sexuality. It might not be YOUR way, but we're doing the best we can with what we are faced with and what we have made our lives to be. And if a male escort's standards are so high that he would reject me and WestTxGuy, fine.

[Guest WestTxGuy]

Thanks for the support, Shoe!

[Guest regulation]

Bilbo and perhaps Thunder are the only people in this thread who seem to care about the fact that married men who see male prostitutes secretly are deceiving and betraying someone with whom they have a relationship that is supposed to be based on trust. We can all ponder whether we should feel bound to respect laws made by straight people who harbor prejudices against what we do. But marriage is a choice that one makes of one's own free will, not something that is forced upon one by a far-off group of politicians. If one chooses to be in a relationship one ought to honor the commitments it involves, not try to weasel out of them.

[Guest WestTxGuy]

It must be nice to live in such a tidy black & white world, Reg.

 

I've said previously that if I was pondering getting married today I wouldn't do it. But 20 years ago when I was 19 and getting married, I didn't realize the feelings I would have today. It's probably another argument for not getting married so early, but that's a little late for me. I'm sorry I'm a heel and a sinner, but sometimes the urge is pretty much overwhelming. That doesn't excuse anything, I'm just stating my facts. I go for long stretches being faithful, but then I go through periods when I backslide. I still contend that it would be more selfish of me to break up my marriage and family being "honest and upfront" than to continue as things are.

 

Believe it or not, my family and I have a huge amount of life to live that doesn't revolve around sex. That is the part I want to preserve for me AND for them. To be honest, if I came out and lost the daily contact with my wife and kids I would be much more miserable than I am now (which isn't all that miserable, actually).

 

That's what makes my hiring so irrational. But as I've already said, everytime I say that it's not right and the risk is too great, ultimately I find away to rationalize all that away in a moment of weakness. It's the way I'm wired.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>Bilbo and perhaps Thunder are the only people in this thread

>who seem to care about the fact that married men who see

>male prostitutes secretly are deceiving and betraying

>someone with whom they have a relationship that is supposed

>to be based on trust.

 

You can remove the word "perhaps". I thought I had made myself clear, but perhaps my sarcasim diguised my true intent.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>>What they probably mean, without realizing it, is that they

>>wish their husbands had more of the typical gay traits. ;-)

>

>Heyyy! What do you mean by that? I'm an ex-high school

>football jock, still in good shape and completely masculine.

>

>...Or could you mean the fact that I enjoy cooking and

>gardening, know a lot about wine and fine dining, and love

>the theatre (especially musicals). Is that the gay traits

>you mean? ...beyond all that sensitive caring kind of shit

>

 

They probably have "hubbies" that are couch potatoes, guzzle Bud' and can't carry on a conversation for more than 3 minutes unless they are talking about the new tranny for there '76 Nova. (Did Chev even make a Nova in '76 - don't ask gay old me!)

 

Thunderbuns

[Rick Munroe]

>...a relationship that is supposed

>to be based on trust

 

>...one ought to honor

>the commitments it involves

 

It's really none of your business to say what these men's marriages are "supposed to be" and what they "ought to" do. I stand by my comment above ("I'm not passing judgement & I respect the decisions made by my closeted married clients"). I hope ShoeDog and WestTx realize that I was merely describing what I feel is the best possible situation in a perfect world, and not knocking what they have. I'm the last person to try to tell anyone what they should do with their life!

[Guest ShoeDog]

This is an interesting thread.

 

Those escorts who look down their noses at us married guys need to keep an open mind. You don't know all of the variables that go into each person's personal story. In my case, my wife is not completely well, and our sex life is a thing of the past. I do love and respect her. I was better able to control my gay yearnings while we were having regular sex, but now? It may be rationalizing, but I feel that making it a business proposition with an escort takes any emotional entanglements away, and I avoid all of the hassle (and danger, for someone in the closet) of the bar scene.

 

I would think most professional escorts would appreciate us married clients. Without us, it sounds like a majority of you would have to seek employment elsewhere.

 

And at the risk of offending all of you truly good guys who appreciate our predicament and who aren't quite so holier-than-thou, I find it amusing that some of you think we should listen to a sermon on morality from a guy who gets paid $200 an hour to fuck us in the ass.

 

I'll probably regret that last statement, but I'm posting anyway.

[Guest WestTxGuy]

>They probably have "hubbies" that are couch potatoes, guzzle

>Bud' and can't carry on a conversation for more than 3

>minutes unless they are talking about the new tranny for

>there '76 Nova. (Did Chev even make a Nova in '76 - don't

>ask gay old me!)

 

That profile might fit if we lived in redneck city. Most of the hubbies I'm talking about work 60 hours a week, drink way too much, spend all of their free time golfing, and if there's any spare time, are constantly trying to score tickets to a pro sporting event or the final four. Top that off with a few trips to strip clubs and some pussy porno (although I'm the last to cast dispersions about those failings), and you're left with women who pretty much raise the kids and keep their homes running by themselves. Isn't that a great suburban dream?

[chrismac]

>I would think most professional escorts would appreciate us

>married clients. Without us, it sounds like a majority of

>you would have to seek employment elsewhere.

 

You're right on there.

 

>I find it amusing that some of you think we should listen to a sermon on morality from a guy who gets paid $200 an hour to fuck us in the ass.

 

I think you and WestTex (and others in your situation) have every right to be upset. Seems I recall hearing a quote somewhere...

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I don't think Jesus was implying that as long as the sin wasn't the same as that of the accused (and soon to be stoned), let the rocks fly.

 

If your comment about the escort making a sermon is in reference to Rick's previous remarks, I think you're reading his posts a little too harshly. He said total openness and honesty is the ideal, and he's fortunate to have that. Still, it may grate to hear it if yours isn't the same.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>>They probably have "hubbies" that are couch potatoes, guzzle

>>Bud' and can't carry on a conversation for more than 3

>>minutes unless they are talking about the new tranny for

>>there '76 Nova. (Did Chev even make a Nova in '76 - don't

>>ask gay old me!)

>

>That profile might fit if we lived in redneck city. Most of

>the hubbies I'm talking about work 60 hours a week, drink

>way too much, spend all of their free time golfing, and if

>there's any spare time, are constantly trying to score

>tickets to a pro sporting event or the final four. Top that

>off with a few trips to strip clubs and some pussy porno

>(although I'm the last to cast dispersions about those

>failings), and you're left with women who pretty much raise

>the kids and keep their homes running by themselves. Isn't

>that a great suburban dream?

 

Well even if our two senarios are quite different, in the most fundemental way they are very similar. Neither discribe guys I'd want to spend much time talking to.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>And at the risk of offending all of you truly good guys who

>appreciate our predicament and who aren't quite so

>holier-than-thou, I find it amusing that some of you think

>we should listen to a sermon on morality from a guy who gets

>paid $200 an hour to fuck us in the ass.

 

I understand the point you're trying to make but I think your analogy is somewhat lacking. You see, I personally don't think it is immoral for a guy to get $200 an hour to fuck you in the ass.

 

That definition of morality is what I would expect to hear from religous Middle America. Shades of Anita Bryant!

 

 

Thunderbuns

[Rick Munroe]

>I would think most professional escorts would appreciate us

>married clients.

 

In more ways than one...I've said it enough times that even I'm sick of hearing me say it: I fuckin' love sex with married guys. :9

[Bilbo]

Many of us went through the dickens trying to decide to trust our parents. Many of us who finally did came out of the deal with very supportive parents. Makes me wonder why married men allow themselves to feel so certain that their spouses aren't as forgiving and supportive as their parents were.

 

However, (and no, I haven't read all of the posts here before writing this - sorry), and I may be repeating myself, but to a certain extent, (not discounting the money - it adds to the need for it), escorting is a "relationship based on trust." A percentage of the people who lie to escorts are entrapping them to jail them. And if the police are willing to make up people who have made complaints to be able to justify entrapping escorts, just how much more quickly would they act if a jealous wife were to complain about a particular escort?

 

I do sympathize with people over a certain age who are in marriages they think this secret would ruin. And I cannot pretend that this is partly a moral choice on my part - not in criticizing what others do, just in making sure of what I myself do and don't do. But, for me, this is a survival issue, one where I am protecting my own ass from the overlords.

[Bilbo]

OK, it's early and I didn't catch some stuff when I was proofreading that last post.

1st - I cannot pretend that this is "not" partly a moral issue.

 

2nd - It didn't make clear my point that if I know for sure that a man is lying to his spouse, I don't understand how I can be expected to trust him not to lie to me.

 

And, 3rd, married men are under no obligation to tell me if they are married. If they do, then I expect them to reassure me that they have their spouse's permission to play around. And, perhaps ironically, I make no attempt to make sure that that is the truth when they tell me that. And, yes, Rick, I too love playing around with (the correct) married men!!

 

And, 4th, don't confuse me with your bartender. He has no vested interest in what you might complain to him about your spouse. I do. So don't.

[Guest regulation]

>It must be nice to live in such a tidy black & white world,

>Reg.

 

In my world, when you make a vow you either keep it or you don't. Do you live in a different world in which there is a third alternative?

 

>I

>still contend that it would be more selfish of me to break

>up my marriage and family being "honest and upfront" than to

>continue as things are.

 

Fine. So stop breaking your vow and keep your marriage and family together.

 

 

>That's what makes my hiring so irrational. But as I've

>already said, everytime I say that it's not right and the

>risk is too great, ultimately I find away to rationalize all

>that away in a moment of weakness. It's the way I'm wired.

 

No matter how many different ways you invent to describe it, it amounts to the same thing: you are not willing to sacrifice your personal desires in order to keep the commitments you made.

 

Did it ever occur to you that your spouse might also have some desires that you are not satisfying and that she has made the decision to put those aside in order to keep your marriage together? Since you have never had an honest discussion with her about this subject, I guess there is no way for you to know.

[Guest regulation]

>It's really none of your business to say what these men's

>marriages are "supposed to be" and what they "ought to" do.

 

I didn't ask these people to write about their personal lives in this thread. That was their idea. Their choice. Once they chose to do that, they made their lives a legitimate topic of discussion for anyone who wishes to participate. And you have no right to tell me or anyone else that we can't express our opinions about that topic. I'm sorry if you don't like hearing that you are helping married men betray people who trust them, but if you can't stand hearing opinions that differ from yours it makes no sense for you to read an internet message board. You should simply turn off your computer and talk to yourself.

[Guest jizzdepapi]

faithful?

 

Christ, reggie, all i did was look?

 

http://www.perryjoshua.com/top6/INSP1.JPG

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>Bilbo and perhaps Thunder are the only people in this thread who seem to care about the fact that married men who see male prostitutes secretly are deceiving and betraying someone with whom they have a relationship that is supposed to be based on trust.<

 

Why does the voice of reason always sound like fingernails on a blackboard?

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>I would think most professional escorts would appreciate us

>married clients. Without us, it sounds like a majority of

>you would have to seek employment elsewhere.

 

It's true. At least half (maybe most) of my clients are married. If it weren't for that seven year itch, my business would be in the doghouse.

 

A big turn on for me is when a married male client says "God, I wish my wife would suck my dick like that, or at all", or better, from a regular: "I was thinking of your hot ass the last time I fucked my wife."

 

I don't know how many escorts here service both sides of the fence, but I've been employed by a few women over the years as well. A couple were widowed or divorced, the rest were married. They all wanted it in the butt, too, whatever that may suggest about married gals.

 

An interesting article on the new breed of restless women can be read here:

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/women/story/0,1870,92467,00.html

I think the study was done on British wives, so may not be indicitive of the desires of the wives of the married men here.

 

>I find it amusing that some of you think

>we should listen to a sermon on morality from a guy who gets

>paid $200 an hour to fuck us in the ass.

>

>I'll probably regret that last statement, but I'm posting

>anyway.

 

You're right. You should regret that last statement. It suggests that escorts are immoral and their word be discounted. Maybe so, but screwing some dude up the butt, for fun or for cash, is worlds away from infidelity (unless the screwer is married). The morality of the act itself is purely subjective. I don't think fidelity necessarily equates with morality, although some would look with equal distaste at the infidel and the prostitute and say we're both going to burn in hell. Oh well.

 

But is it immoral for devotion to fade?

 

Hearts and cocks don't know from morality, but minds and psyches do. So many of my married clients provide really hot times because they get caught up in the whole forbidden-taboo-risk taking thrill of fucking some guy behind their wife's back. In that context, I think the pleasure is derived in equal parts from both the immediate physicalities of sex, and from the fact that it's being done in secret and if anyone finds out it'll be curtains for the client. He's actually getting off on the very fact that he's cheating on his wife. With a man no less. In that context, a touch of the clients' sense of immorality (the one he's getting off on) can't help but tap me on the shoulder and I sometimes feel for the unknowing spouse at home preparing dinner for her man who's out "working late". But that feeling is fleeting and I am, after all, a professional who's up to any task. What the Mrs. don't know won't hurt her.

[Guest regulation]

>Why does the voice of reason always sound like fingernails

>on a blackboard?

 

Actually, I've never understood the whole "fingernails on a blackboard" thing. That sound never bothered me a bit.

 

Of all the posters in this thread, only Bilbo has managed to come up with a coherent position on this issue. He doesn't want to be harmed by the lies of others, so he feels it is wrong for him to assist those who are using lies to harm others. Good for him. Everybody else seems to be saying that our actions should be based on some version of "Do whatever you feel is in your own best interest," otherwise known as the Meyer Lansky Code of Ethics. That's great, except when someone else employs the same reasoning to do something to you. I know you can empathize here, Joey, having been a crime victim yourself in the not-too-distant past.

[Guest WestTxGuy]

>Did it ever occur to you that your spouse might also have

>some desires that you are not satisfying and that she has

>made the decision to put those aside in order to keep your

>marriage together? Since you have never had an honest

>discussion with her about this subject, I guess there is no

>way for you to know.

 

I am always ready and willing to have sex with my wife whenever she wants to, if that's what you're referring to. She doesn't have a huge sex drive, but when she's in the mood, we have a great time. I enjoy having sex with my wife. We've had discussions about sex many times in the past. I just don't choose to tell her I'm attracted to men as well. That's something she couldn't process. She's very conservative sexually, and it doesn't mean a whole lot to her. I suppose she could have some raving lesbian side to her, but I highly doubt it.

 

BTW--I'm curious, Reg, do you have any faults at all? You just seem so perfect and rational, always morally upright and honest. Why do you hang out on this site in the first place? You don't seem too human to me, which makes it harder to accept criticism from you. I'll grant that you make some good points, but to me you lose credibility when you fail to converse on a human level. People should live up to their commitments, but sometimes people make mistakes, too.

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>Actually, I've never understood the whole "fingernails on a blackboard" thing. That sound never bothered me a bit.<

 

Yeah, I'm not too rattled by it either, but I know many find the sound unnerving, much as I find the truth of what you and Bilbo have said.

 

>...Bilbo has managed to come up with a coherent position on this issue. He doesn't want to be harmed by the lies of others, so he feels it is wrong for him to assist those who are using lies to harm others.<

 

Yes, "Do Unto Others..." is such a simple thing, which is why I sometimes cringe when I think of how many men I've assisted in cheating on their vows. Unfortunately for me and more than a few wives (but fortunate for my many satisfied customers,) Meyer Lansky had a huge, if selective, influence on my life.

 

>That's great, except when someone else employs the same reasoning to do something to you. I know you can empathize here, Joey, having been a crime victim yourself in the not-too-distant past.<

 

I can certainly empathize, although holding a cock to a married mans' ass is a far cry from holding a gun to any mans' head.