Do you feel safer with vaccinated escorts?

[DamianQuantas]

I’ve seen so many escort’s profiles announcing in almost capital letter that they already have the COVID vaccine and I was wondering if clients see this as a benefit to hire one or another person even when they are not protected at all?

 

I normally feel comfortable and I click better with people over 50 years old and I know most of that people can be at risk and even when I could be completely safe I try to make sure that they are already vaccinated since this is the only way I understand they’ll be really protected. Thanks.

[Guest]

Well, I certainly went on a spree after I got my 2nd shot. I would prefer my escort be vaccinated as well, since I can still contract the virus, but the important thing is that I know I almost certainly won't get seriously ill, nor spread it, if I do contract it. If I weren't vaccinated myself, there's no way I'd hire someone who couldn't show me proof of immunization.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

The Covid vaccination selling point is just about as safe as the “I’m on prep” selling point.

 

All free and clear until you get the dreaded text/call: “I tested positive for...(any of the numerous stds that is NOT hiv)

[+ Italiano]

The Covid vaccination selling point is just about as safe as the “I’m on prep” selling point.

 

All free and clear until you get the dreaded text/call: “I tested positive for...(any of the numerous stds that is NOT hiv)

I agree for the "I'm on prep" statement which makes many people think foolishly they can do anything they want unprotected.

But two vaccinated people together can feel quite safe. Of course they can catch anything else, from a cold to AIDS, but we are talking about Covid, no?...

[+ jrhoutex]

@DamianQuantas - Yes, I do feel more comfortable now that I am vaccinated. And, yes, I do feel more comfortable hiring an escort that is also vaccinated. I curtailed my hiring this last year and looking forward to fun times in the future.

[Islesguy]

The Covid vaccination selling point is just about as safe as the “I’m on prep” selling point.

 

All free and clear until you get the dreaded text/call: “I tested positive for...(any of the numerous stds that is NOT hiv)

One escort did show me his bottle of pills when I asked though I didn't see him take any. The bottle didn't feel full, so I assumed he was taking them.

[marylander1940]

Well, I certainly went on a spree after I got my 2nd shot. I would prefer my escort be vaccinated as well, since I can still contract the virus, but the important thing is that I know I almost certainly won't get seriously ill, nor spread it, if I do contract it. If I weren't vaccinated myself, there's no way I'd hire someone who couldn't show me proof of immunization.

 

it's also a way to see his real age!

 

I've been surprised a few times but the important thing is how they look.

 

I’ve seen so many escort’s profiles announcing in almost capital letter that they already have the COVID vaccine and I was wondering if clients see this as a benefit to hire one or another person even when they are not protected at all?

 

I normally feel comfortable and I click better with people over 50 years old and I know most of that people can be at risk and even when I could be completely safe I try to make sure that they are already vaccinated since this is the only way I understand they’ll be really protected. Thanks.

 

I know a local escort who got tested at a fire engine every week and sent his results to all the clients he had the week before. Good practice for him, it paid off. Now he's fully vaccinated!

[Guest]

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I know a local escort who got tested at a fire engine every week and sent his results to all the clients he had the week before...

Negative Covid tests provide a mostly false sense of security. The DFA test, which can be done same-day, is only 70% sensitive. The PCR, which usually takes 24 hours, is 90% accurate, but the results are at best one day old. A week-old test is pretty useless. People with Covid are usually only contagious the first 9 days of the infection. After that, the viruses get coated with antibodies and are not contagious. My designer had her son over for Thanksgiving, against my advice, after he was in a car for 30 minutes with 3 of his unmasked friends. On the Sunday of that week-end he got sick as a dog and tested positive. I told her that she and her husband would almost certainly get it, and advised her to be tested then, and again Friday if negative. To my surprise, Friday's PCR test was negative (next day), but both she and her husband were quite sick the next day and tested again, positive this time.

You can test negative and be contagious, and you can test positive and not be contagious. It is true, though, that people are usually at their most contagious in the few days before they get symptoms, and contagiousness drops off within days of getting symptoms.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19-most-contagious-first-5-days-illness-study-finds

"A study published yesterday in The Lancet Microbe shows that COVID-19 is most contagious in the first 5 days after symptom onset, underscoring the importance of early case identification and quarantine...

The study found no difference between viral load peaks in COVID-19 patients with and without symptoms, but indications are that asymptomatic patients clear the virus faster and therefore could be contagious for a shorter time. While the authors said that they can't recommend an optimal duration for quarantine because their study involved only confirmed cases rather than possible exposures, the results appear to indicate that people with COVID-19 can infect others for about 9 days. Most countries currently recommend that COVID-19 patients quarantine for 10 days...."

Note that this study was actually a compilation of 79 studies, so is fairly definitive:

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(20)30172-5/fulltext

"79 studies (5340 individuals) on SARS-CoV-2, eight studies (1858 individuals) on SARS-CoV, and 11 studies (799 individuals) on MERS-CoV were included. Mean duration of SARS-CoV-2 RNA shedding was 17·0 days (95% CI 15·5–18·6; 43 studies, 3229 individuals) in upper respiratory tract, 14·6 days (9·3–20·0; seven studies, 260 individuals) in lower respiratory tract, 17·2 days (14·4–20·1; 13 studies, 586 individuals) in stool, and 16·6 days (3·6–29·7; two studies, 108 individuals) in serum samples. Maximum shedding duration was 83 days in the upper respiratory tract, 59 days in the lower respiratory tract, 126 days in stools, and 60 days in serum. Pooled mean SARS-CoV-2 shedding duration was positively associated with age (slope 0·304 [95% CI 0·115–0·493]; p=0·0016). No study detected live virus beyond day 9 of illness, despite persistently high viral loads, which were inferred from cycle threshold values. SARS-CoV-2 viral load in the upper respiratory tract appeared to peak in the first week of illness, whereas that of SARS-CoV peaked at days 10–14 and that of MERS-CoV peaked at days 7–10..."

(the Covid-19 virus is SARS-CoV-2, not the other two)

In other words, many people who test positive are not contagious (shedding can last 83 days), and a negative test can leave out people who are maximally contagious in their first few days. This study also explains why those who get Covid-19 after immunization or after a prior infection don't seem to be contagious.

[FrancisCA]

I wonder if theres an easier way to say "Fully vaccinated and last was shelter-in-place until vaccinated" unlike some providers ?

[+ Axiom2001]

I agree with the "I'm on prep" statement which makes many people think foolishly they can do anything they want unprotected.

But two vaccinated people together can feel quite safe. Of course, they can catch anything else, from a cold to AIDS, but we are talking about Covid, no?...

 

When I've been with an escort and have desired to be the man on the lower bunk, I've always required the use of a condom or condoms. For almost two years, I was on PreP-- and during those times when I bottomed, the top used condoms. [At my last appointment, the doctor stated that he no longer recommended Truvada for me and would prescribe another inhibitor for me.]

 

I haven't seen a man sexually for almost a year and a month. Recently, I received the Moderna (two vaccinations). I feel relieved and will require the masseur/s and escort/s in the future to provide their card of proof. I know mine will be available for him/them to view.

 

[Two weeks ago, I contacted a hot escort of my desire who lives in my area, something that is rare. I inquired about his having gotten vaccinated. He responded back, in a cordial way, that he was working on it. I plan to reconnect with him within a week or so to seek his current status; if he's still having difficulty, I plan to supply him with the most up-to-date contact for him to get vaccinated.]

[DamianQuantas]

Negative Covid tests provide a mostly false sense of security. The DFA test, which can be done same-day, is only 70% sensitive. The PCR, which usually takes 24 hours, is 90% accurate, but the results are at best one day old. A week-old test is pretty useless. People with Covid are usually only contagious the first 9 days of the infection. After that, the viruses get coated with antibodies and are not contagious. My designer had her son over for Thanksgiving, against my advice, after he was in a car for 30 minutes with 3 of his unmasked friends. On the Sunday of that week-end he got sick as a dog and tested positive. I told her that she and her husband would almost certainly get it, and advised her to be tested then, and again Friday if negative. To my surprise, Friday's PCR test was negative (next day), but both she and her husband were quite sick the next day and tested again, positive this time.

You can test negative and be contagious, and you can test positive and not be contagious. It is true, though, that people are usually at their most contagious in the few days before they get symptoms, and contagiousness drops off within days of getting symptoms.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/11/covid-19-most-contagious-first-5-days-illness-study-finds

"A study published yesterday in The Lancet Microbe shows that COVID-19 is most contagious in the first 5 days after symptom onset, underscoring the importance of early case identification and quarantine...

The study found no difference between viral load peaks in COVID-19 patients with and without symptoms, but indications are that asymptomatic patients clear the virus faster and therefore could be contagious for a shorter time. While the authors said that they can't recommend an optimal duration for quarantine because their study involved only confirmed cases rather than possible exposures, the results appear to indicate that people with COVID-19 can infect others for about 9 days. Most countries currently recommend that COVID-19 patients quarantine for 10 days...."

Note that this study was actually a compilation of 79 studies, so is fairly definitive:

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(20)30172-5/fulltext

"79 studies (5340 individuals) on SARS-CoV-2, eight studies (1858 individuals) on SARS-CoV, and 11 studies (799 individuals) on MERS-CoV were included. Mean duration of SARS-CoV-2 RNA shedding was 17·0 days (95% CI 15·5–18·6; 43 studies, 3229 individuals) in upper respiratory tract, 14·6 days (9·3–20·0; seven studies, 260 individuals) in lower respiratory tract, 17·2 days (14·4–20·1; 13 studies, 586 individuals) in stool, and 16·6 days (3·6–29·7; two studies, 108 individuals) in serum samples. Maximum shedding duration was 83 days in the upper respiratory tract, 59 days in the lower respiratory tract, 126 days in stools, and 60 days in serum. Pooled mean SARS-CoV-2 shedding duration was positively associated with age (slope 0·304 [95% CI 0·115–0·493]; p=0·0016). No study detected live virus beyond day 9 of illness, despite persistently high viral loads, which were inferred from cycle threshold values. SARS-CoV-2 viral load in the upper respiratory tract appeared to peak in the first week of illness, whereas that of SARS-CoV peaked at days 10–14 and that of MERS-CoV peaked at days 7–10..."

(the Covid-19 virus is SARS-CoV-2, not the other two)

In other words, many people who test positive are not contagious (shedding can last 83 days), and a negative test can leave out people who are maximally contagious in their first few days. This study also explains why those who get Covid-19 after immunization or after a prior infection don't seem to be contagious.

I do agree on this. I went to have an antibody test and the doctor told me that I actually had the virus. I could not believe it even when I saw the results I was feeling so full of energy and no symptoms at all so I went to another place and I tested negative after a few days went to another place and tested positive again. That’s when I understood that you actually need to negative test to make sure that you don’t have the virus and I could confirm how important was wearing a mask all the time.

[Guest]

I do agree on this. I went to have an antibody test and the doctor told me that I actually had the virus. I could not believe it even when I saw the results I was feeling so full of energy and no symptoms at all so I went to another place and I tested negative after a few days went to another place and tested positive again. That’s when I understood that you actually need to negative test to make sure that you don’t have the virus and I could confirm how important was wearing a mask all the time.

Your posting is confusing. An antibody test looks for prior exposure and is a blood test. Is that what you meant to say? Once you've developed antibodies, about 2 to 3 weeks after infection or immunization, you will no longer be contagious, as the Lancet study showed, regardless of what your nasal swab results are. If you have antibodies, you are usually either recovering from, or fully recovered from infection (or immunization).

[BuffaloKyle]

I'm about to be fully vaccinated and once that happens I will feel fine hiring any escort. The answer to the question is of course I would feel even safer with another fully vaccinated individual but I wouldn't be deterred from hiring someone who wasn't yet. My brother last month went on a camping trip with some friends and someone in the group had covid as a few days later him and I believe everyone else in the group tested positive. The only one who didn't was his girlfriend who was the only one fully vaccinated. So it does work!

[+ Italiano]

I'm about to be fully vaccinated and once that happens I will feel fine hiring any escort. The answer to the question is of course I would feel even safer with another fully vaccinated individual but I wouldn't be deterred from hiring someone who wasn't yet. My brother last month went on a camping trip with some friends and someone in the group had covid as a few days later him and I believe everyone else in the group tested positive. The only one who didn't was his girlfriend who was the only one fully vaccinated. So it does work!

That's really a nice thing to read!

[down_to_business]

Yes I would "feel" safer, but I am vaccinated myself as well.

[DamianQuantas]

Your posting is confusing. An antibody test looks for prior exposure and is a blood test. Is that what you meant to say? Once you've developed antibodies, about 2 to 3 weeks after infection or immunization, you will no longer be contagious, as the Lancet study showed, regardless of what your nasal swab results are. If you have antibodies, you are usually either recovering from, or fully recovered from infection (or immunization).

I went for antibody test, but some how the doctor added both test, antibody and test for the virus. I had not antibodies by the time he got the results but I did had the virus.

[alrajee]

Once I get my second shot and two weeks have elapsed, I'll fulfill what I said in the thread asking what members would do once we can wiggle a little bit: I'll have sex. Escort or friend doesn't matter, but they have to be vaccinated.

 

I'm a lot more comfortable meeting someone who has had their vaccinations since Covid-19 transmission is a lot easier compared to STDs or HIV. With the latter, I can wear a condom. (If the guy shows his stash of PReP, even better.) With the former, the moment I lock lips, I could already be infected.

[Guest]

... With the latter, I can wear a condom. (If the guy shows his stash of PReP, even better.) With the former, the moment I lock lips, I could already be infected.

[alrajee]

How sexy.

[Guest]

Once I get my second shot and two weeks have elapsed, I'll fulfill what I said in the thread asking what members would do once we can wiggle a little bit: I'll have sex. Escort or friend doesn't matter, but they have to be vaccinated.

 

I'm a lot more comfortable meeting someone who has had their vaccinations since Covid-19 transmission is a lot easier compared to STDs or HIV....

Well, the Pfizer study looking at efficacy began the timing with one week after their 2nd shot, Moderna the second week after the 2nd shot. Real-life data from the UK and Israel show very solid protection two weeks after the 1st Moderna and Pfizer shots. Covid-19 illness after vaccination is rare, and serious illness is almost unheard of, less than 1 in 100,000 chance, with all ill people recovering. It helps to put risks into perspective. There are lots of risks one takes in going to see an escort. There really is a non-negligible risk of death or serious injury just driving over there. There are serious risks of getting injured or swindled by the escort, unless you know the escort. Flu shots don't offer nearly as good protection against flu as these vaccines due against Covid-19, and the flu can be just as severe. I think it's wise to put risks into perspective.

While it is true that hooking up with someone who's also vaccinated does reduce the tiny risk to essentially zero (a transmission between vaccinated individuals hasn't been reported, despite getting close to half a billion vaccinees), one really needs to consider that it may not be worthwhile worrying about pretty minute risks when we take similar minute risks every time we go shopping. Hell, in the US, we even have to worry about being killed by some nut-job while going to work, going to the store, school, or a movie theater. Probably not worth using so much emotional energy on such tiny risks. But if you want to wait until both you and your escorts are fully vaccinated, that's up to you, even if my personal opinion is that it's a bit silly. I personally don't worry about something that has less than 1 in 100,000 odds of happening, especially when that something won't kill or permanently maim me.