What would make your industry/business better? (This is directed to Escorts)

[orville]

sex work is the worlds oldest profession, not sure why people still have moral issues with it in 2021

It has its roots in religion.

You look at developed-less-religious countries,

most things still controversial in the US have been already decriminalized or legalized there.

Edited February 12, 2021 by orville

[orville]

if you don‘t want/approve/like don’t take part.

Yet paradoxical!

[orville]

some would happily pay taxes in order to get verified income to rent/buy, pay healthcare, retirement, invest in the stock market, etc.

That doesn't erase stigma.

if the mafia or other criminals would use escorts as a way to do money laundering just like the do with restaurants and other businesses.

Shut the front door! Stigma is enough!

Probably the reason why we haven't adopted full legality.

I find it ok as it is now.

[+ keroscenefire]

That doesn't erase stigma.

 

Shut the front door! Stigma is enough!

Probably the reason why we haven't adopted full legality.

I find it ok as it is now.

 

I think there will still be stigma but I do think legalization will help with stigma. When I went to the UK, the escort I spent time with said that his family knows what he does and was not necessarily proud but generally supportive to the point where they helped him out financially a bit when he couldn't work when he was dealing with cancer. He actually was on TV once for a news story about his profession and he said most people he knew didn't really care. There is a different stigma for clients of course, but I think legalization just makes the whole thing much less of a big deal all around.

Edited February 13, 2021 by keroscenefire

[Guest]

I think there will still be stigma but I do think legalization will help with stigma (....) There is a different stigma for clients of course, but I think legalization just makes the whole thing much less of a big deal all around.

Agreed. When weed was legalized in Canada, attitudes towards it shifted incredibly fast. It's not a silver bullet, but it would go a long, long way.

[marylander1940]

That doesn't erase stigma.

 

 

 

unfortunately there will always be a stigma but not as much as before.

 

Being gay used to be a stigma and illegal... now some still consider it that way.

[marylander1940]

It has its roots in religion.

You look at developed-less-religious countries,

most things still controversial in the US have been already decriminalized or legalized there.

 

I wouldn't make such a vast generalization... many developed countries have legalized prostitution, and in many of the poorest countries is still illegal.

 

Prostitution by region - Wikipedia

 

 

As we all know some countries enforce some laws over others. I feel safe hiring...

 

[Shawn Monroe]

Back to the original question. What would make the business better:

 

- massage table rental services.

- massage tables that could fold down to the size of an airplane carry-on (flying with a massage table is an exercise in patience.

- more Americans knowing what to do with foreskin

- bad behavior. I wish we didn’t have to let bad behavior go unchecked or validate so much of it. Or get talked about or over, lest we decide to say something.

[Walker1]

I think legalization would definitely make it better. I myself have cut down drastically after FATCA was passed. I am a single father and can't afford all the risk. The moral attitudes/stigma are fine-as long as people don't have to worry about losing their jobs and livelihoods. I mentioned before about a sting in my supposedly very left leaning town nearby-they posted all the "John's" photos in the paper-most were married with kids. This happens occasionally where I live . So I have to go to the real big city. I was reading an article about the brothels' in germany-where apparently Judges/police all partake of the "service". Iy would be nice to have a Thai style brothel here.

[+ Coolwave35]

I think legalization would definitely make it better. I myself have cut down drastically after FATCA was passed. I am a single father and can't afford all the risk. The moral attitudes/stigma are fine-as long as people don't have to worry about losing their jobs and livelihoods. I mentioned before about a sting in my supposedly very left leaning town nearby-they posted all the "John's" photos in the paper-most were married with kids. This happens occasionally where I live . So I have to go to the real big city. I was reading an article about the brothels' in germany-where apparently Judges/police all partake of the "service". Iy would be nice to have a Thai style brothel here.

What country are you in?

[CuriousByNature]

Again, anonymity is key in this business.

Even here in Canada where it's decriminalized (not completely legal), there is stigma for providers and clients.

Once it's online, is traceable. No Bueno.

Not sure I understand the difference between decriminalization and legality. I thought in Canada the person who purchases services is the one who is charged, and that the provider is not held responsible... is it a misdemeanor? Fine vs. incarceration? On your record?

[Walker1]

What country are you in?

USA-so called-Land of the Free-but in reality we put more people in jail than any nation on earth.

[+ poolboy48220]

Not sure I understand the difference between decriminalization and legality. I thought in Canada the person who purchases services is the one who is charged, and that the provider is not held responsible... is it a misdemeanor? Fine vs. incarceration? On your record?

Not a lawyer, but I've always thought decriminalization meant it was still against the law but just a ticket offense, like jaywalking, no jail time. Legality means it's not against the law at all.

[KeepItReal]

Not sure I understand the difference between decriminalization and legality. I thought in Canada the person who purchases services is the one who is charged, and that the provider is not held responsible... is it a misdemeanor? Fine vs. incarceration? On your record?

Legalization is the process of removing all legal prohibitions against it. Decriminalization it would remain illegal, but the legal system would not prosecute a person that participate. ?

 

[CuriousByNature]

Legalization is the process of removing all legal prohibitions against it. Decriminalization it would remain illegal, but the legal system would not prosecute a person that participate. ?

 

I just looked it up, and the government passed Bill C-36 in 2014 which criminalizes the purchase (including communication for purchase) but not the sale of such services, with 5 years imprisonment as a potential consequence. Trudeau voted against it, but when he became Prime Minister in 2015, he did not repeal it.

[Guest]

Not sure I understand the difference between decriminalization and legality. I thought in Canada the person who purchases services is the one who is charged, and that the provider is not held responsible... is it a misdemeanor? Fine vs. incarceration? On your record?

 

These terms are not perfectly precise, but usually in the context of sex work legislation, "legalization" means making it a regulated industry, like weed in Canada or sex work itself in Australia, for instance, whereas "decriminalization" means removing all legal penalties but declining to regulate the industry.

 

You are correct that in Canada the client or madam/pimp is criminalized (the latter usually more harshly than the former), meaning in Canada sex work is neither decriminalized nor legalized.

[Guest]

 

- more Americans knowing what to do with foreskin

 

Amen!!!

[CuriousByNature]

These terms are not perfectly precise, but usually in the context of sex work legislation, "legalization" means making it a regulated industry, like weed in Canada or sex work itself in Australia, for instance, whereas "decriminalization" means removing all legal penalties but declining to regulate the industry.

 

You are correct that in Canada the client or madam/pimp is criminalized (the latter usually more harshly than the former), meaning in Canada sex work is neither decriminalized nor legalized.

Thank you... that's how I was reading it.

[+ VictorPowers]

What would make your industry better or improve work conditions?

Clear communication.

[AlexanderRF]

haha Americans and foreskin. So sad they just chop of the best part of the dick.. Americans are always obsessed with mine.

 

Besides that, I agree with ''clear communication''. And besides that, Legalisation makes it just so much easier. You literally can just go to the government, tell me that you wanna open a new company and as profession you tell them: ''escorting''. Not that anybody is doing that, but you can.

[HoleTrainer]

Y'all, we DON'T want legalization. We want decriminalization. Here's why:

 

Legalization means that politicians and lobbyists get to decide the material conditions under which sex work is acceptable. It still places the police in charge of enforcing government regulations into compensated sexual relations between two private parties. Anyone who continues to work in ways that the government doesn't approve of would still be criminalized. This means that the most marginalized and vulnerable sex workers will still exist under criminalized conditions. For example, sex workers may have to pay to register an expensive license to work legally, pay for weekly "medical checkups" that do not actually accomplish anything besides a beaurocratic 'check mark' for the politicians, be banned from working if HIV+ (even if undetectable and using condoms or not performing penetrative sex), be banned from working together in groups, be banned from working in hotels, and much much more. Legalization opens the gateway for public control over who is allowed to do sex work and how, and impose expensive fees on sex workers. People who cannot afford those fees or who choose/need to work in alternate ways remain criminalized.

 

Decriminalization means that sex work will no longer be considered a crime. There is nothing illegal about being paid for or paying for sexual labor, just like every other type of labor. Normal labor laws and taxation laws will obviously still apply just like with any other type of freelance worker. No additional laws needed to regulate our work.