Will Corona curtail your hiring?

[Midtownm4m]

I have been shocked to have been contacted by several regulars for an appointment- saying they are staying with a close group they know only.

Unfortunately that’s not safe!

[massagelover]

This is the COVID-19 advisory on Masseurfinder per Samk:

Due to community restrictions and precautionary measures, massage therapists may not be available to provide services at this time. Please contact providers directly for updated hours and availability.

 

This is the advisory on the cityboys website:

Despite the immense negative economic consequences, we also support this measure, since there is a risk of corona infection in our industry. The intensive contact between the guest and the escort can very well result in infection by latent carriers of the virus.

 

We hope that if the infection curve wanes soon, business operations will be possible again from April 20, 2020. We will publish information in this regard as soon as we have it.

 

If a gay brothel in germany understands the risk, why are there some clients (as evidenced by discussion here) still seeing escorts?

The notice on MasseurFinder should be on their home page and the site should be disabled for the time being. They play a role here too; not just the masseurs themselves. It's frankly appalling. As for all of those masseurs who have still been advertising AVAILABLE NOW, yes I know you are hurting financially, but this is not about YOU right now. When this is over, I will remember those few who acted responsibly and suspended work and give them my business.

[+ easygoingpal]

I had a similar attitude then but now I won't hire till it's over and it was nice taking a glimpse of our state of mind just 3 weeks ago... Obviously our behavior has changed by now.

 

 

 

Did you rescheduled them for April, May or June? That is the question. When will we go back to normalcy?

A friend of mine has paid in advance for a session so that the provider would have some means of getting past these hard times... I decided on giving a monthly monetary gift to help out my go-to-guy.

[+ Keith30309]

Who gives the “all clear”?

What is the event/announcement/statistic that has to me met for everyone to feel comfortable again ?

Does it vary by city - for example, when the NYC lockdown is lifted ?

 

 

[LookingAround]

I am shocked that I have not seen one masseur change there ad saying what they are doing to protect themselves or their clients.

What is it you think a masseur could possibly do to protect themselves and clients other than stop working?

[Guest]

If a gay brothel in germany understands the risk, why are there some clients (as evidenced by discussion here) still seeing escorts?

 

Because they are playing Russian roulette, now with 2 bullets in the chamber.

[marylander1940]

Because they are playing Russian roulette, now with 2 bullets in the chamber.

 

I always used that metaphor about BB sex before PrEP.

 

This is the COVID-19 advisory on Masseurfinder per Samk:

Due to community restrictions and precautionary measures, massage therapists may not be available to provide services at this time. Please contact providers directly for updated hours and availability.

 

This is the advisory on the cityboys website:

Despite the immense negative economic consequences, we also support this measure, since there is a risk of corona infection in our industry. The intensive contact between the guest and the escort can very well result in infection by latent carriers of the virus.

 

We hope that if the infection curve wanes soon, business operations will be possible again from April 20, 2020. We will publish information in this regard as soon as we have it.

 

If a gay brothel in germany understands the risk, why are there some clients (as evidenced by discussion here) still seeing escorts?

 

I don't know if they still hire... if you go back to early in March most folks said Coronavirus wouldn't curtail their hiring... most have changed their mind specially considering their age puts them at a higher risk..

 

Go back to the first page and you'll see, some even had an attitude saying the virus wouldn't stop from hiring.

Edited March 27, 2020 by marylander1940

[Bonedoc]

I always used that metaphor about BB sex before PrEP.

 

 

 

I don't know if they still hire... if you go back to early in March most folks said Coronavirus wouldn't curtail their hiring... most have changed their mind specially considering their age puts them at a higher risk..

 

Go back to the first page and you'll see, some even had an attitude saying the virus wouldn't stop from hiring.

I think the earliest we can expect some normalcy in hiring and consuming massage services is mid June.

[+ HornyRetiree]

Two of my three regulars (#2 & #3) have shut down and are seeing no clients. Right now my #1 is still willing to see me - we have worked together for years - Appointment is the first week in April - hopefully he will still see me then - I not only desperately need the massage for my maturing body!!! I need the human TOUCH and connection and I need to ejaculate with more than just my own energy involved!!!

[+ HornyRetiree]

If you catch it and are recovered, is it okay to resume?

supposedly the medical word is that if you have had, are over and healthy, you are safe to interact with the world..

[Dmitri]

I am surprised that Daddy is still posting reviews. If you check out the reviews for today, March 27th...both sessions were this month. Steve ( session was 3/2020 in NYC, the epicenter)....and Sherman (session was 3/2020) both reviews state that the kissing during the session was great. (?) Probably the riskiest mode of transmission is swapping spit. Can't believe this is still going on. Maybe the reviews should be halted for a while, since these positive reviews during this crisis is a form of promoting these guys.

[+ Keith30309]

What is everyone’s criterion to resume hiring in your home city?

[marylander1940]

What is everyone’s criterion to resume hiring in your home city?

 

No more new infections for a couple of weeks.

[Scotty]

I got a really hard push from one of my regulars to come see him. Made me kinda sad that he’s willing to risk both of our safety for $150. Stay strong guys!! We can get through this. We are pretty much all no more than 2 degrees of separation from each other. Let’s keep each other safe and stay home.

 

Also, I got one of my other faves to send me a sexy photo of him for $100 to give him some $. He’s gonna video himself showering for me next week. Maybe try that or a video chat if you’re missing someone or needing some personalized attention.

[devilsoap]

yes I know you are hurting financially, but this is not about YOU right now. When this is over, I will remember those few who acted responsibly and suspended work and give them my business.

 

While we do all have to be safe, I think you are harsh to judge people where this might be their only source of income. Have some compassion. It's easy to chastise when you have a little money.

[LookingAround]

While we do all have to be safe, I think you are harsh to judge people where this might be their only source of income. Have some compassion. It's easy to chastise when you have a little money.

With respect there are options that result in less risk than massaging someone. Amazon is hiring as are some other emergency services such as grocery stores. These are at least safer options than massaging someone. So there are options.

Edited March 27, 2020 by LookingAround

[massagelover]

It has nothing to do with my lack of compassion for the plight of masseurs, who by the way -- at an average of about $160 an hour in NYC -- do pretty well for themselves generally as compared to the millions of people suddenly out of work who make far far less money. This is about the shared social health responsibility for all of us during this insane crisis. And anyone who isn't doing their part to keep this from getting horribly out of control is just being careless and selfish. Moreover, it's hard to argue with the fact that the physical intimacy and proximity of massage is on the high end of the risk spectrum and far from an essential service.

[Dmitri]

I got a really hard push from one of my regulars to come see him. Made me kinda sad that he’s willing to risk both of our safety for $150. Stay strong guys!! We can get through this. We are pretty much all no more than 2 degrees of separation from each other. Let’s keep each other safe and stay home.

 

Also, I got one of my other faves to send me a sexy photo of him for $100 to give him some $. He’s gonna video himself showering for me next week. Maybe try that or a video chat if you’re missing someone or needing some personalized attention.

 

These are the times where it is a great opportunity to tell our masseurs about the unemployment they can collect in the stimulus package that was passed by the House today, and will be signed into law either today or tomorrow. One of my regulars reached out to me last night to book a session, and when I told him he can collect unemployment since self-employed are included in the new stimulus package, he pulled his ad offline and thanked me, since he had been unaware of this. So we need to let these guys know about this when they contact us for business. (They will get $2,400/month PLUS their regular unemployment benefits for 4 months in the new law....spread the word to them)

[Scotty]

These are the times where it is a great opportunity to tell our masseurs about the unemployment they can collect in the stimulus package that was passed by the House today, and will be signed into law either today or tomorrow. One of my regulars reached out to me last night to book a session, and when I told him he can collect unemployment since self-employed are included in the new stimulus package, he pulled his ad offline and thanked me, since he had been unaware of this. So we need to let these guys know about this when they contact us for business. (They will get $2,400/month PLUS their regular unemployment benefits for 4 months in the new law....spread the word to them)

 

Who does the unemployment office call to verify their employment? You?

[devilsoap]

With respect there are options that result in less risk than massaging someone. Amazon is hiring as are some other emergency services such as grocery stores. These are at least safer options than massaging someone. So there are options.

 

Working at a grocery store is far more dangerous than a one on one session with a client. Grocery workers and Amazon workers are out in public and among each other. A masseur can take the same precautions those people take and they can easily limit themselves to one client per day to minimize exposure and to clean up after their client. Amazon workers and grocery store people have been getting infected too and are mathematically far more likely to contract an illness than a massage therapist.

[devilsoap]

It has nothing to do with my lack of compassion for the plight of masseurs, who by the way -- at an average of about $160 an hour in NYC -- do pretty well for themselves generally as compared to the millions of people suddenly out of work who make far far less money. This is about the shared social health responsibility for all of us during this insane crisis. And anyone who isn't doing their part to keep this from getting horribly out of control is just being careless and selfish. Moreover, it's hard to argue with the fact that the physical intimacy and proximity of massage is on the high end of the risk spectrum and far from an essential service.

 

How many massages do you think they manage in a day? Also, you should read up on skin hunger and isolation. One could argue that physical intimacy is an essential service.

[MrMattBig]

Working at a grocery store is far more dangerous than a one on one session with a client. Grocery workers and Amazon workers are out in public and among each other. A masseur can take the same precautions those people take and they can easily limit themselves to one client per day to minimize exposure and to clean up after their client. Amazon workers and grocery store people have been getting infected too and are mathematically far more likely to contract an illness than a massage therapist.

To defend what you said, the anyone who interacts with another person or is out in public is at risk. In regards to grocery store worker vs masseur, a case can be made for each regarding relative sanitary practices and conditions, so its hard to say if one would be safer or riskier than the other. The point of anything during these times is limiting or decreasing exponential growth and exposure, which will be higher in public places such as an operating spa or crowded grocery store, where more people are exposed to each other at the same time or high frequency. Everyone could do there part though to limit transmission and exposure if possible period.

 

Math and science regarding exponential growth support the social distancing/crowd limiting/public space closures.

Morality and civil duty support voluntary self isolation.

 

Math and science doesn't change, and honestly, if we would have started closing/restricting public spaces when this first started in December/January, we wouldn't be this deep down the rabbit hole.

[LookingAround]

Working at a grocery store is far more dangerous than a one on one session with a client. Grocery workers and Amazon workers are out in public and among each other. A masseur can take the same precautions those people take and they can easily limit themselves to one client per day to minimize exposure and to clean up after their client. Amazon workers and grocery store people have been getting infected too and are mathematically far more likely to contract an illness than a massage therapist.

I guess if you say it enough you’ll believe it.

[MrMattBig]

I guess if you say it enough you’ll believe it.

 

Math:

 

masseur interacts with 1-5 clients/day

grocery worker interacts/shares space with potentially hundreds/day

 

What you are correct in though is the mode of transmission and exposure is going to be significantly higher for the masseur with the intimacy and touching involved.

 

What is worse: being exposed to 100's with a lower mode of transmission, or being exposed to one to several persons with a higher mode of transmission? That's a tough call and who really knows if there will be a significant difference?

 

I will reiterate though that everyone should be trying to do their civil duty, so at the least in terms of viewpoints, we can get back to normal quicker.

Edited March 28, 2020 by MrMattBig

[Dmitri]

Who does the unemployment office call to verify their employment? You?

 

I looked at what they ask for when you apply, and they require your last tax return....either 2019 if that was filed already....or 2018, and that will mention you are self-employed. So my guess is they verify it with that. They also mentioned when I looked it up online to include your phone number, since they might call for a phone interview, which is another way to verify. But they clarified that they probably won't call you, your tax return is enough.