You party?

[+ Italiano]

I never party. Not interested, never did and never will.

I went to this POS home about 2 years ago and before we started he offered me a sip of tequila (I know, VERY naive and stupid of me!) to relax.

I don't know what he put in it, I was full of energy (his performance per se was VEEERY lukewarm and mediocre, I guess that's why he did it) but after I left I was still very high, I walked for many blocks, and when at home I realized my pupils were dilated, and that same night I could not sleep AT ALL. It was horrible.

The thing is that as I had never tried anything before and I had no idea of the effects, it took me a few hours to connect the drink to my situation. I texted him questioning what he did and after asking me if I liked it and if I was ok, when I started to insult him of course he blocked me...

 

Beware of this prick!

 

https://rent.men/Jorel_xx

 

https://rentmasseur.com/GreatMassageUS

[Guest]

I never party. Not interested, never did and never will.

I went to this POS home about 2 years ago and before we started he offered me a sip of tequila (I know, VERY naive and stupid of me!) to relax.

I don't know what he put in it, I was full of energy (his performance per se was VEEERY lukewarm and mediocre, I guess that's why he did it) but after I left I was still very high, I walked for many blocks, and when at home I realized my pupils were dilated, and that same night I could not sleep AT ALL. It was horrible.

The thing is that as I had never tried anything before and I had no idea of the effects, it took me a few hours to connect the drink to my situation. I texted him questioning what he did and after asking me if I liked it and if I was ok, when I started to insult him of course he blocked me...

 

Beware of this prick!

 

https://rent.men/Jorel_xx

 

https://rentmasseur.com/GreatMassageUS

 

YIKES! Glad you're okay a very scary situation. He looks creepily familiar. When I was in Ft. Lauderdale a few years ago I was chatting with this guy on Scruff and mentioned where I was staying and what room. I then backed out because he was giving me a bad vibe and told him I was not interested and changed my mind. About 15 minutes later my door opens up (it was locked) and it was him. I fought him and he practically raped me. I got him out but asked him how he got onto the secure grounds and into my room. He said he climbed the wall and had a universal pass key to each resort! By the time the desk guy showed up and the police came he had disappeared out one of the gates! I swear this guy looks like him.

[Phil_musc]

I went to this POS home about 2 years ago and before we started he offered me a sip of tequila (I know, VERY naive and stupid of me!) to relax.

 

What is a POS home?

 

(Clearly you're not as naive and stupid as I am.)

[+ jeezopete]

About 15 minutes later my door opens up (it was locked) and it was him.

 

Probably the best lesson I learned from traveling with my mother is to ALWAYS use the deadbolt/security lock at all times in my hotel room. I engage the lock as soon as I enter & close the door.

[Trick]

 

What is a POS home?

 

 

I took it to mean “Piece Of Shit”

[lonely_john]

“G”, a blue colored liquid less than half a glass which I ingested.

Am I the only one thinking this was a lot of G and if @Trick is still alive it’s a miracle?

 

G alone can be dangerous because there is no standard dose. While for some users X amount is « normal », for others that same amount can be fatal. Now, I don’t even want to imagine mixing that with T which is a drug that by itself can destroy your life very easily. Also, if you are not careful, mixing G with alcohol (while partying) has the potential to put you to sleep ... forever.

 

You are lucky that you felt like asking for help and counseling here. It means you haven’t lost your mind to those drugs completely, and you will immensely benefit from seeing a specialist to check if your mental sanity is ok. More important, you must STOP now. T is not like G or Coke or other hard drugs which some say they can control (I don’t think this is true either, it’s just their brains rationalizing the serotonin overdose).

 

I like to see T as a plain death sentence or literally as a straight poison, so I stay away from it. First advice, STOP and avoid at all costs any drug consumption. It sounds like you have some predisposition just by the fact you had a hard time saying NO to that escort, then see a specialist, and after you have checked with a professional that you are safe, evaluate what can enhance your pleasure without putting you at risk. It can be just a glass of wine, or just weed, something more natural and organic.

 

PS1: I don’t condone drug consumption but I also think if we are going to do it it’s best to use our common sense and be well informed, and always always take care of ourselves, no matter how horny we are in the moment.

 

PS2: If a specialist tells you that given your recent history and by assessing your personality you will be better off not taking any kind of drugs permanently, follow the advice.

Edited February 17, 2020 by lonely_john

[big-n-tall]

I recounted this story on the forum before, but I can't find the post. I won't go into the full story but I'll give what happened to me as briefly as I can.

 

There was a guy who I was meeting up with who called me while I was on the way to him. He was talking very hushed on the phone and I couldn't make out everything he said. However, I do remember him asking do I party. This was early on my hiring career and I had no clue what he meant, but stupidly I said yes. He told me once I parked to let him know. He'd be waiting for me and the door would be open. I can just come right in. Mind you I wasn't fearful because I had met this guy a few times before.

 

When I got to his hotel room it was dark except for the faintest bit of sunlight. He pulled the curtains and turned off all the lights. All I could see was his silhouette and the flash of something he was smoking. At first, I thought he was just smoking weed, but the smell in the air was unlike anything I smelled before. When I went over to kiss him he stopped smoking and wouldn't allow me to. The times we've met before he was very passionate about kissing. So I thought it odd, but it didn't register as to why.

 

Shortly after, the situation went upside down. He became highly paranoid, overly emotional, and hyper. He wouldn't let me leave and at one point began pleading with me to not leave him alone. There was a moment I actually thought he was going to die. I stayed with him because I was worried that if he died after I left, that wasn't going to look good in my favor. I wanted to call someone 911 but second-guessed myself about again what would I say or how this would look. I know naive, but later I came to realize he was smoking crack. It probably was for the best I didn't call.

 

We were supposed to meet for an hour. I was in that room almost 6. That's how long it took him to freak out, cry for his mom, beg me to stay, go through some type of withdrawal, and seemingly recover to at least somewhat normalcy. And if you're wondering did he ever look like a crack addict... no, he did not. There were no obvious signs the times we met before.

 

So if someone puts pnp in their ad I am reluctant to hire. However, I also make sure to try and determine if pnp is weed or stronger if I'm dead set on trying to meet that person.

[+ keroscenefire]

How did you find out after the fact you had sex that he was HIV positive?

Something similar happened to me in Montreal back in Fall of 2017.

A Taboo stripper escort started topping me without a condom.

I freaked out, stopped the session, and went to the ER 24 hours later in Canada on a Saturday night to start PEP within 24 hours. The entire experience costs me around $1500 for medical ER bills.

I was told PEP is free at the clinics, but I wasn't waiting until Monday as PEP is most effective started ASAP.

 

I had no idea what his HIV status was, but I figured if he was wiling to do that to me (unattractive and fat ME !)he would likely have unprotected with many others.

 

Anyways, just curious how you found out his HIV status?

 

When I sobered up the next morning, I asked and he told me. I actually was one of the few at the party with a car so I drove him back home to the hotel he was living. I just hadn't thought to ask when I was on the drugs. He said he was positive but didn't know if he was undetectable. At the time, I didn't really know as much about what that term meant so I was really freaking out, especially since he was a semi-homeless drug user. But he didn't infect me at least. Lesson learned though for sure.

Edited February 18, 2020 by keroscenefire

[+ nycman]

he offered me a sip of tequila.

Beware of this prick!

https://rent.men/Jorel_xx

Whoa...I’ve been offered that EXACT same sip of tequila from that exact same provider.

 

Looks like my universal rule of ”no pre-opened containers....ever”, saved me.

 

Remember, never drink anything that someone you don’t know gives you.

 

Period.

 

And even then, only if you see it opened fresh in front of you.

[caliguy]

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I admit I liked it but I don’t want this to happen again. At least that’s what I’m telling myself at the moment. Have I crossed the point of no return?

Are you being serious? Addiction aka point of no return is not just one time trying something. It's doing something and not being able to stop in spite of the destruction it's causing. Usually months or years down the road when the fun stops. You tried it and liked it. Big woop. It's designed to be liked since it massively increases your dopamine levels like never before.

[Guest]

...

I admit I liked it but I don’t want this to happen again. At least that’s what I’m telling myself at the moment. Have I crossed the point of no return?

No, you have not crossed the point of no return. To tell yourself this would just be a cop-out. Taking an unknown quantity of an unknown drug from someone you didn't know obviously showed very poor judgment, but this doesn't mean you need to show poor judgment forever for the rest of your life. You can also choose to take this experience as a valuable lesson learned and as a warning. The lesson I would take from this is "I lose my good judgment in the presence of mind-altering drugs, so I need to resolve to avoid using them."

Your story reminded me of Joe Putignano, a drug addict who wrote the autobiographical book Acrobaddict, which describes how drug addiction led him down an awful life path of horrifically sociopathic behavior. He lied, cheated, and stole from friends and family, got kicked out of college, and ended up homeless. Intoxicated, he admits he was involved in multiple hit and run car accidents, drug dealing (sold drugs while in college until he was caught and kicked out), and other egregious behavior. Whenever there was a decision point in his life, at least for the period of time in the book, he always managed to make the worst decision possible.

He continued his behavior despite multiple arrests, homelessness, etc. He probably got away with more than most addicts could for some time because he's unbelievably handsome. I just looked up his facebook page and have noticed, to my horror, that he was admitted to and graduated from a nursing program, and now has an RN degree. Not a good place to be for someone who loses control in the presence of drugs. The book is an interesting read (although it certainly didn't elicit any sympathy from me, but rather shock that anyone could do such things). Don't go down his path. Now is the time to stop.

Pre-tattoo:

Edited February 17, 2020 by Unicorn

[caliguy]

 

So if someone puts pnp in their ad I am reluctant to hire. However, I also make sure to try and determine if pnp is weed or stronger if I'm dead set on trying to meet that person.

I've never heard anyone refer to weed as PNP. In the gay community it always means meth.

[big-n-tall]

I've never heard anyone refer to weed as PNP. In the gay community it always means meth.

 

I’m no expert but I’m certain pnp isn’t just meth. It may indeed exclude weed, but pnp from my understanding includes any type of chemsex (i.e. with meth, ecstasy, or cocaine).

 

But that wasn’t the point of my statement. I’ve inquired with some escorts who had put pnp in their ad and some say they just use weed. I don’t know if there is a general misunderstanding of what some people think pnp encompasses or something else. Either way, if they say they use anything stronger than weed (or poppers), I’ll probably avoid them after the one particular experience I had.

Edited February 17, 2020 by big-n-tall

[+ Italiano]

I went to this POS home about 2 years ago and before we started he offered me a sip of tequila (I know, VERY naive and stupid of me!) to relax.

 

What is a POS home?

 

(Clearly you're not as naive and stupid as I am.)

You are not at all stupid, @Phil_musc

It means Piece Of Shit's home, referred to that piece of shit

Edited February 18, 2020 by Italiano

[+ Italiano]

Whoa...I’ve been offered that EXACT same sip of tequila from that exact same provider.

 

Looks like my universal rule of ”no pre-opened containers....ever”, saved me.

 

Remember, never drink anything that someone you don’t know gives you.

 

Period.

 

And even then, only if you see it opened fresh in front of you.

 

Wow. Definitely I was an idiot. But somehow I feel a little bit better that someone was in my situation. Of course he denied that all this happened in his reply to my 1* review....

[caliguy]

No, you have not crossed the point of no return. To tell yourself this would just be a cop-out. Taking an unknown quantity of an unknown drug from someone you didn't know obviously showed very poor judgment, but this doesn't mean you need to show poor judgment forever for the rest of your life. You can also choose to take this experience as a valuable lesson learned and as a warning. The lesson I would take from this is "I lose my good judgment in the presence of mind-altering drugs, so I need to resolve to avoid using them."

Your story reminded me of Joe Putignano, a drug addict who wrote the autobiographical book Acrobaddict, which describes how drug addiction led him down an awful life path of horrifically sociopathic behavior. He lied, cheated, and stole from friends and family, got kicked out of college, and ended up homeless. Intoxicated, he admits he was involved in multiple hit and run car accidents, drug dealing (sold drugs while in college until he was caught and kicked out), and other egregious behavior. Whenever there was a decision point in his life, at least for the period of time in the book, he always managed to make the worst decision possible.

He continued his behavior despite multiple arrests, homelessness, etc. He probably got away with more than most addicts could for some time because he's unbelievably handsome. I just looked up his facebook page and have noticed, to my horror, that he was admitted to and graduated from a nursing program, and now has an RN degree. Not a good place to be for someone who loses control in the presence of drugs. The book is an interesting read (although it certainly didn't elicit any sympathy from me, but rather shock that anyone could do such things). Don't go down his path. Now is the time to stop.

Pre-tattoo:

I think he was addicted to the bad boy behavior mostly. That's not the face and body of a meth addict. Whatever his problem was with meth it wasn't very long or didn't go very deep.

[lonely_john]

I’m no expert but I’m certain pnp isn’t just meth. It may indeed exclude weed, but pnp from my understanding includes any type of chemsex (i.e. with meth, ecstasy, or cocaine).

 

But that wasn’t the point of my statement. I’ve inquired with some escorts who had put pnp in their ad and some say they just use weed. I don’t know if there is a general misunderstanding of what some people think pnp encompasses or something else. Either way, if they say they use anything stronger than weed (or poppers), I’ll probably avoid them after the one particular experience I had.

I also understand PNP as all the hard drugs that are chemical and stronger than weed but still I always ask because there is always a new guy becoming an escort and they don’t always know everything and often do wrong assumptions.

Edited February 18, 2020 by lonely_john

[Phil_musc]

Thanks for the POS clarification. It never occurred to me. Duh

[DMICS]

Never drank alcohol, never smoked and I definitely will never PNP.

 

I was sadly introduced to the whole PNP epidemic in the M4M community 2 years ago when one of the 1st escorts I hired from RM was on it. "straight" DL guy, a young father (in his 20s), very good looks, muscular, tatted, worked full-time and shared a house with his family outside of the city. The 1st 2 hires was smooth, great time and no issues.

 

The 3rd hire I started having suspicions when he showed up to my condo but he seemed exhausted sexually but was still a little hyper if that makes sense. He couldn't get hard or finish. The session was finished and after I messaged him about what happened, he admitted he did a few lines of cocaine before coming by. Anyways I excused him for that and he offered out next meeting would be on him.

 

In the months following it was hard getting in contact with him, different numbers etc etc. One night I was on Backpage and noticed this infamous guy in my area that's well-known for hosting PNP orgies 24/7 threw up one of his handful of daily ads. In one of the ads it was 2 guys looking for more and when I clicked it it included pictures of that same provider I met 3 times previously. My heart literally was broken. I guess I was getting hooked the guy and we were so cool that I was hoping he would NEVER comes across this infamous host.

 

Anyways, I wanted to see if this was really true so I contacted the provider on one of the numbers I had of his and he responded. Said he's at a "buddies" place in my area and that I should come by. He went on to text me some videos of the action they were getting into, confirming my thoughts that he was at this infamous host's place. Not sure what I was thinking but I decided to go by, and when I did it was the infamous host, the provider and another guy (Infamous guy #2). All on a variation of G, Meth, Molly etc.

 

Apparently the RM provider had been there for 2 days straight, he lost a family member and the infamous host reached out to him via Backpage. Knowing the infamous host's style, I'm guessing he offered free PNP to come by and chill out and I guess the RM provider needed a friend and the deal was enticing. I ended up hanging out for a few minutes but left.

 

Few days later the RM host messages me asking if I did anything with the 2 infamous guys and I told him no. I just sat, watched and left after a few minutes. Not shocking and pretty much expected, he found out the infamous host was HIV + and never revealed his status. Ironically it was infamous guy #2 that told him. He went and got checked immediately and said everything came back negative.

 

Moving forward the RM provider said he would never see infamous host or infamous guy #2 again. I actually told him those guys are well-known for their raw PNP daily orgies and that I couldn't believe he went. From there the RM provider would message me regularly to meetup. At this point he left his family's place, moved to the city, jobless, living with a female friend, sleeping on a couch. I still would go and meetup with him at the place he was crashing at but most times I'd go he was either strung out off Meth or somewhat back to normal. He also started stripping at a popular gay club in the city and was still in contact with infamous guy #2 who was a PNP dealer.

 

I saw where things were going so I moved on. I actually saw him pop-up on Grindr in a sketchy area of the gay village, when I messaged he blocked me. His profile was also promoting PNP, groups, as he was with a buddy.

 

A frustrating and sad experience. I just hope he's still alive and if so he's off the stuff and got the help he needed.

[hypothetically]

www.gayandsober.org

(855) 638-4373

24 hour Crystal Meth Anonymous hotline

 

..for anyone who needs it.