Rating Current Escort Market vs. 15 Years Ago From 1-10.

[LaffingBear]

Not sure I can rate the difference. Trying to remember my first hires... probably 25 or 30 years ago.

 

Not sure I have much to add... except I find myself wondering if theres too much information. I have become super skeptical about the whole process. Im certain that, whenever I identify a guy whose ads match my interests, well over 90% of time, research, a few basic questions, a deposit-demand, or these forums reveal info that eliminate the potential hire.

 

And although Im being careful, discerning....from a rentguy's perspective, Im one of those time wasting trolls. I dont blame them for some of their wariness.

 

Are the types of guys different? Yes. But I still see plenty of ads for guys who physically match my tastes. Its my skepticism, their deposit request, unwillingness to answer questions in the era of "2 texts and move on" that has changed things.

 

Two final thoughts as I review my post

1. Wow, does my post read like the reminiscing of some old codger about when gas was $0.32 a gallon and times were easier. and,

2. There are a few guys advertising today using the very same pictures I recall seeing at the turn of the century

[maninsoma]

First, some comments about the guys available back then. We've got a lot of the WELL BUILT/CLEAN CUT/CLEAN SHAVEN looks of guys that were fresh out of the military thanks to the various wars going back then. Now the guys look like they're fresh out of the military alright. The ISIS MILITARY! The current listing from rent.men literally looks like the roster of Bagdaddy's personal guards at his Raqqa's lair!

• 15 years ago - a SOLID 10
  
• Now - maybe a weak 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
  

PS: Please pardon the confusion if at first glance, the pictures made you think I was asking about some hot new find from some popular escort site.

 

 

I initially just laughed off your post as a joke, but I just scrolled through all of the pages of listings on Rentmen in San Francisco. Your description is not far off for many of the ads that I saw.

 

I do think that the percentage of men escorting whom I find attractive has decreased, but I think that the elimination of Craigslist as a source of men changed the game for some types of guys, namely those who just wanted to dabble in this a bit and not establish a highly visible, ongoing presence as an escort.

[former lurker]

Lately, I’ve been more impressed with some of the college-age providers ~20. I think they’re in Gen Z, “Zoomers“. Excellent communications, very kink-friendly and passionate. I know many prefer the older, buffer types, but this may be a good trend for those who prefer the smoother, boy next door types. It’s also notable that, in my small sample, they often eschew alcohol and drugs, except for weed.

 

This raises and interesting point in my mind. Younger (18-mid 20s) guys generally aren't as developed physically as are guys in their late 20s and further on. Those of use who are into muscular guys tend to go for guys in their late 20s or older, and those guys get to be 40 sooner than the teen/early 20s guys. Many of those guys are further along in other life/career/education plans and are ready to move on. There are exceptions, of course. There are some guys who are so good across the board (physically, mentally, personality, making connections, etc.) that they become a sort of gold standard. Think of Benjamin Nicholas, Tristan Baldwin, Kristian Elix, Peter Hung, etc. These guys are total packages.

[Guest]

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https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/dwindling-supply-of-likable-escorts-lately.154829/page-3#post-1842527

[+ peterhung85]

Hello Everybody,

 

I don't think that as a provider I should rate what it was back then as I have only been "in circulation" for 11 years (no clue what it was 15 years ago), but allow me to share you my take on this as a provider NOW vs. 11 years ago. Also, I can only talk about the market here in Las Vegas, as this is the market I am familiar with.

 

When I moved to Vegas 11 years ago, the first thing that I did was to look around in the market. I was just starting out, was not established and had no unique style, I was just a young guy, trying to make a few bucks here and there. The first thing I did was to open some of the listing sites and looked at all the ads. I quickly realized that there were a handful of providers that were so highly reputable that I - as a newbie - was even hesitant about reaching out to them. I eventually emailed them because of a few reasons:

 

1. Introducing myself.

2. Asking them if they would consider working with me in duos (should we get such request)

3. By bringing clients as part of a duo show, they would bring theirs too and would get exposed to theirs and as such, getting potentially more business further down the road

4. Observing them, learning about them and analyzing them of what made them so darn successful in this line of work.

5. Eventually, working with them and seeing it "up close" of how they made magic happen :-)

 

I will never forget this; I reached out to 4 providers (figured MAYBE ONE will say, OK buddy, fine, let's try this). These gentlemen made the Vegas hiring scene classy for years and some even a decade at that time and when a client was in town - depending on his preferences - the chances of one out of 4 them being hired was extremely high. To name these men I consider as legends:

 

- Aaron Mark

- Paul Pratt

- Mario Roma

- @Ace (Rockstar Fantasy)

 

Four vastly different men, completely different body types, styles and ages. All 4 of them - without hesitation - happily agreed to work with me (while I was just a nobody) and we ended up sharing a tremendous amount of clients together. Of course, I realized that I will have to be unique and copying is not the way to go, people are going to appreciate you for who you are and the best is to stay as close to being true to yourself as possible. Yet, I was able to learn about how to approach clients, how to be professional, how to be a gentleman and of course turn nasty (the good type) whenever it is requested.

 

Anyway, this topic is not about how I got started and built myself as a provider so let me steer back to the original topic:

 

What these four men had in common - besides their tremendous success as providers, the stellar reputation they have already built for themselves and the extensive clientele they have amassed was CLASS (in all caps)!

 

I have recently looked at providers here in Vegas and just can't find those types anymore. Maybe I am not looking close enough, maybe I don't know everyone anymore in this city, but these men were all class acts and legends in their own ways. I know that this isn't just my opinion; their track records and long-standing reputation proves it. They took pride in their work and exuded professionalism throughout their entire interactions with clients. They were highly reliable, always delivered and had zero attitude.

Furthermore, when I started out here, there were 49 (!) providers advertising on the main website. Today? I just looked: 231 (!!!).

 

The market got extremely diluted here, Las Vegas also - being such transient city - most guys are in it to make a quick buck, support one (or more) addiction(s)... exceptions always apply of course. They know exactly that clients are most likely not going to be long-term simply because people in this city come and go. I am the type that really does his best even if I know for sure that I will never see that person again (just like everyone, you can do your job in 2 ways, well and badly... at the end of the day, it will take about the same effort... so why not do your best, right?!). This approach is also missing from your typical Vegas providers here. I make calls at random times as some of my clients who hire me for an extended time like to include a third for an hour or so and whenever I start dialing I am always in shock. I have heard all kinds of responses and whenever I think I have heard it all, someone comes along and shocks me even more. With many providers I have to almost beg to have them come out while we are 20 minutes away, many of their rates are even higher than mine with virtually nothing to back that up with (muscular body, gorgeous smile, upscale pictures or a reputation earned throughout the years) and others simply not show up. I don't think that the latter one occurred as often back than as it does nowadays, but you may know this better than I do.

 

Based on these, I definitely agree with almost everyone here who says that it used to be so much better back then. Unfortunately most of these "legends" have retired. Again, this was a very location-specific review of the past vs. now but I would not be surprised if this was the case nationwide. My question would rather be this:

What do you gentlemen think, why has the behavior shifted this way and why is there less professionalism in our industry today vs. 15 years ago? I am genuinely curious....

[former lurker]

Hello Everybody,

 

I don't think that as a provider I should rate what it was back then as I have only been "in circulation" for 11 years (no clue what it was 15 years ago), but allow me to share you my take on this as a provider NOW vs. 11 years ago. Also, I can only talk about the market here in Las Vegas, as this is the market I am familiar with.

 

My question would rather be this:

What do you gentlemen think, why has the behavior shifted this way and why is there less professionalism in our industry today vs. 15 years ago? I am genuinely curious....

 

Thoughtful as always. To your question, I think there are a number of factors that have caused the shifts you described. Before speaking about them, let me clarify something. A lot of the posts in this thread focus on the physical type and whether/why client's "type" of guys are less prevalent in a teeming market of providers. Your focus is more about character and approach. So that's where I'll focus, too. I think the growing facility with online resources has "democratized" the market, by which I mean the entry barriers are lower for both providers and clients. There is less of a filter. Also, I think there's less of a stigma which usually would be a good thing, but can have its negative effects too. Years ago, people hired in an environment when doing so was a sort of dirty little secret. The need for discretion, although always important, was even more front-of-mind. Finding reputable, trustworthy escorts was of prime importance. Those who established themselves as not only physically alluring, good at the physical part, etc., were of interest, but even more so those who presented as safe -- and I mean safe to include offering understanding that clients can be vulnerable, especially with new hires. Acceptance, caring, connecting, and being dependable all

Hello Everybody,

 

I don't think that as a provider I should rate what it was back then as I have only been "in circulation" for 11 years (no clue what it was 15 years ago), but allow me to share you my take on this as a provider NOW vs. 11 years ago. Also, I can only talk about the market here in Las Vegas, as this is the market I am familiar with.

 

When I moved to Vegas 11 years ago, the first thing that I did was to look around in the market. I was just starting out, was not established and had no unique style, I was just a young guy, trying to make a few bucks here and there. The first thing I did was to open some of the listing sites and looked at all the ads. I quickly realized that there were a handful of providers that were so highly reputable that I - as a newbie - was even hesitant about reaching out to them. I eventually emailed them because of a few reasons:

 

1. Introducing myself.

2. Asking them if they would consider working with me in duos (should we get such request)

3. By bringing clients as part of a duo show, they would bring theirs too and would get exposed to theirs and as such, getting potentially more business further down the road

4. Observing them, learning about them and analyzing them of what made them so darn successful in this line of work.

5. Eventually, working with them and seeing it "up close" of how they made magic happen

 

I will never forget this; I reached out to 4 providers (figured MAYBE ONE will say, OK buddy, fine, let's try this). These gentlemen made the Vegas hiring scene classy for years and some even a decade at that time and when a client was in town - depending on his preferences - the chances of one out of 4 them being hired was extremely high. To name these men I consider as legends:

 

- Aaron Mark

- Paul Pratt

- Mario Roma

- @Ace (Rockstar Fantasy)

 

Four vastly different men, completely different body types, styles and ages. All 4 of them - without hesitation - happily agreed to work with me (while I was just a nobody) and we ended up sharing a tremendous amount of clients together. Of course, I realized that I will have to be unique and copying is not the way to go, people are going to appreciate you for who you are and the best is to stay as close to being true to yourself as possible. Yet, I was able to learn about how to approach clients, how to be professional, how to be a gentleman and of course turn nasty (the good type) whenever it is requested.

 

Anyway, this topic is not about how I got started and built myself as a provider so let me steer back to the original topic:

 

What these four men had in common - besides their tremendous success as providers, the stellar reputation they have already built for themselves and the extensive clientele they have amassed was CLASS (in all caps)!

 

I have recently looked at providers here in Vegas and just can't find those types anymore. Maybe I am not looking close enough, maybe I don't know everyone anymore in this city, but these men were all class acts and legends in their own ways. I know that this isn't just my opinion; their track records and long-standing reputation proves it. They took pride in their work and exuded professionalism throughout their entire interactions with clients. They were highly reliable, always delivered and had zero attitude.

Furthermore, when I started out here, there were 49 (!) providers advertising on the main website. Today? I just looked: 231 (!!!).

 

The market got extremely diluted here, Las Vegas also - being such transient city - most guys are in it to make a quick buck, support one (or more) addiction(s)... exceptions always apply of course. They know exactly that clients are most likely not going to be long-term simply because people in this city come and go. I am the type that really does his best even if I know for sure that I will never see that person again (just like everyone, you can do your job in 2 ways, well and badly... at the end of the day, it will take about the same effort... so why not do your best, right?!). This approach is also missing from your typical Vegas providers here. I make calls at random times as some of my clients who hire me for an extended time like to include a third for an hour or so and whenever I start dialing I am always in shock. I have heard all kinds of responses and whenever I think I have heard it all, someone comes along and shocks me even more. With many providers I have to almost beg to have them come out while we are 20 minutes away, many of their rates are even higher than mine with virtually nothing to back that up with (muscular body, gorgeous smile, upscale pictures or a reputation earned throughout the years) and others simply not show up. I don't think that the latter one occurred as often back than as it does nowadays, but you may know this better than I do.

 

Based on these, I definitely agree with almost everyone here who says that it used to be so much better back then. Unfortunately most of these "legends" have retired. Again, this was a very location-specific review of the past vs. now but I would not be surprised if this was the case nationwide. My question would rather be this:

What do you gentlemen think, why has the behavior shifted this way and why is there less professionalism in our industry today vs. 15 years ago? I am genuinely curious....

 

Peter, you're pointing to a much more significant change than some others have described. Your not focused primarily on appearance or "type", but on character and professional approach. That's the sort of thing that sets you and others with similar values apart from the bulk of providers who are more purely transaction-focused in approach. There are some guys who are thoroughly professional, committed to maintaining their bodies and their performance, but are all about time-management, especially if they travel frequently. That might fit the bill for many clients, but guys like you who listen, intuit, pamper, and adapt to your clients emotional and psychological needs as much as their physical needs, well you are a much rarer breed.

[rossthebosssf]

I feel there is a genuine decline in quality for many reasons.

 

I too miss the days of CL. I met so many wonderful men just looking to make a few extra bucks for school. I met more repeats there than on the big sites. And at a reasonable fee as well!

[+ SundayZip]

It's difficult for me to separate changes in the escort market from changes in my personal desires and expectations. But I do see a couple differences. Now I see more traveling escorts which, for me, is a negative. If I hire in my home city, I want it to be someone who can become a repeat -- not likely when the escort is just passing through. I also now see more ethnic diversity in the escort pool (at least in my go-to source which has been rentboy/rentmen). This, for me, is a positive. I find that my tastes in men has really diversified so it's great that the market has kept up.

 

I can't think of anything else to add without sounding like my grandpa pontificating about how good it was "back in the day."

[+ Ace]

Well said Peter!

I VIVIDLY remember the day you contacted me..... Lots of fun times back when (as you said) the market wasn't so saturated. Anyone with a penis can do "the act."

What I have always found was equally, or more important was how you made your client feel, & how you treated him before, during & after.

Appreciate the shoutout! Hope to see you on one of my upcoming trips in.

[buckguy]

As for character and approach.....I had some pretty crappy experiences on a trip to Vegas a little before Peterhung's time.

 

It reminded me that when I started hiring--when I was living in Atlanta a bit over 20 years ago, there were some good providers in town (2 are still around, but only one is still in Atlanta), but a ton of flakes and even the agency guys were not reliable, and that pattern remained the entire I lived there. Granted, Atlanta has a deservedly crappy reputation for a lot of things, but I had some problems in other cities, too.

 

The one thing that strikes me from comments here is that there are more choiced and more information...some of it credible, some not. My guess is that the number of guys who choose this a sa profession has always been relatively small. The cohort who don't plan to make this a long-term occupation, but are well organized as business people and generally provide satisfying service is a bit bigger but not necessarily ever the majority. More providers...more to sift through. Nostalgia tends to be a corruption of history and suspect that if you went back to the beginnings of this site (I think some early posts are gone, sadly), you'd find the same complaints as today, and some of them coming from the most now-nostalgic posters.

[Epigonos]

I'm not sure that I, for one, am complaining about the way things have evolved, over the last twenty years, in the escort market. As others have pointed out tastes in grooming and in body tattooing have changed markedly during that period. That is likely true of younger clients as well as many of the escorts who advertise on rentmen. Current escorts, if they want to be a success, are meeting the tastes of these younger clients and that is exactly what they should be doing. I, at 79, am rapidly approaching the end of my hiring days and am certainly not their long term future client for these guys. All I'm saying is that the current grooming standards and body tattooing are not appealing to me and I will continue to hire from the ever shrinking pool of clean shaven, tattooless escorts.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I have been hiring since I was in my early 20s, more than 30 years ago. I have tried the whole array from street hustlers to premium escorts and porn stars. The market is better than ever. If you are unhappy it is not a reflection of the market but of your own inability to change with the times. When you start to feel like the old times were better, it only means you are an old timer.

Edited January 19, 2020 by latbear4blk