Providers who request a pic

[+ OliverSaks]

I don’t ask for pics, but can’t blame anyone who does, if they think that level of screening is important to ensuring a worthwhile experience with the client. Better to know up front if they think there will be chemistry than have you come and be disappointed because they can’t get it up.

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

I have only been asked for a pic once and that was after the meeting was booked. Since we would be meeting in a public place, he would be able to find me in the crowd if I had missed his entrance. One headshot - that should be fine.

[coriolis888]

 

I have only been asked for a pic once and that was after the meeting was booked. Since we would be meeting in a public place, he would be able to find me in the crowd if I had missed his entrance. One headshot - that should be fine.

 

 

Most of the responses thus far all seem innocent and to the point.

 

But - - - - I have not seen a response in connection with possible abuse of a client photo if a client sends a photo to an unknown person advertising on a gay escort site, like rentmen for example.

 

As I write this post, I am aware of a provider who is currently sitting in jail because he obtained photos of a client then attempted to blackmail the client by use of those photos.

[Guest europeanman]

Most of the responses thus far all seem innocent and to the point.

 

But - - - - I have not seen a response in connection with possible abuse of a client photo if a client sends a photo to an unknown person advertising on a gay escort site, like rentmen for example.

 

As I write this post, I am aware of a provider who is currently sitting in jail because he obtained photos of a client then attempted to blackmail the client by use of those photos.

How can an escort abuse a clients face photo? How can an escort blackmail a client with a simple face photo? Our photos are all over the Internet. Please someone explain to me.

[coriolis888]

 

How can an escort abuse a clients face photo? How can an escort blackmail a client with a simple face photo? Our photos are all over the Internet. Please, someone explain to me.

 

 

You said, "our photos are all over the internet" which I assume you mean you are an escort.

 

A client, on the other hand, does not have photos "all over the internet" and some clients are quite vulnerable to extortion.

 

For example, suppose you were a married man with a family and your sexuality was not known or suppose you were a well known political person whose sexuality was not known to the public.

 

If an escort got a client's photo willingly from the client who was trying to get a sexual meeting set, the escort could attempt to use the photo as a basis to demand money from the client for silence.

 

As I said, I am aware of one such case at the present time.

[Guest europeanman]

You said, "our photos are all over the internet" which I assume you mean you are an escort.

 

A client, on the other hand, does not have photos "all over the internet" and some clients are quite vulnerable to extortion.

 

For example, suppose you were a married man with a family and your sexuality was not known or suppose you were a well known political person whose sexuality was not known to the public.

 

If an escort got a client's photo willingly from the client who was trying to get a sexual meeting set, the escort could attempt to use the photo as a basis to demand money from the client for silence.

 

As I said, I am aware of one such case at the present time.

I am not an escort. You miss my point. Our photos are all over Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin etc. Anyone can get a photo of anyone. An escort having a photo of mine does not mean I hired him, or even communicated with him. It means absolutely nothing.

[MrMattBig]

I am not an escort. You miss my point. Our photos are all over Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin etc. Anyone can get a photo of anyone. An escort having a photo of mine does not mean I hired him, or even communicated with him. It means absolutely nothing.

This is true, but when confronted with fear, common sense and mental toughness rarely prevail.

[Guest europeanman]

This is true, but when confronted with fear, common sense and mental toughness rarely prevail.

I try to understand but still not get it. Maybe because I have nothing to hide and I live in a country where it is legal.

[coriolis888]

I am not an escort. You miss my point. Our photos are all over Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin etc. Anyone can get a photo of anyone. An escort having a photo of mine does not mean I hired him, or even communicated with him. It means absolutely nothing.

 

 

Uh oh, you missed my point.

 

Our photos, particularly mine, are not all over the Internet.

 

I do not have a facebook or similar type account. Most of my clients do not facebook type accounts. I am a highly private and professional person - not an escort.

 

Thus, where you missed the point is that if an escort asks on rentmen or a similar escort site for a client's photo, and the photo comes through rentmen, it is easy to trace the source of where the photo was sent. The photo plus the conversation between the client and the escort puts the client at risk for possible extortion.

 

I am pleased that you are comfortable posting your photo "all over the internet" but most people do not do that.

[John]

I don't mind sending a pic. Clients pick escorts; escorts pick clients. It seems natural to want to see what the other looks like. When someone cares what I look like, then I think I may be in for a more human encounter.

 

It is also true that I don't think I have ever been asked for a pic in the US. Most of my hiring is in Europe and through GayRomeo. I have a picture in my profil and many escorts state in theirs that they require a pick of the client.

[coriolis888]

 

I try to understand but still not get it. Maybe because I have nothing to hide and I live in a country where it is legal.

 

 

You live in a country where prostitution is legal. In the United States, it is not the same. People can have their careers destroyed if arrested for prostitution in our supposed free country. No, you are lucky that English law is not so bizarre like it is in the U.S. when it pertains to laws involving sex for sale or rent.

[MrMattBig]

Uh oh, you missed my point.

 

Our photos, particularly mine, are not all over the Internet.

 

I do not have a facebook or similar type account. Most of my clients do not facebook type accounts. I am a highly private and professional person - not an escort.

 

Thus, where you missed the point is that if an escort asks on rentmen or a similar escort site for a client's photo, and the photo comes through rentmen, it is easy to trace the source of where the photo was sent. The photo plus the conversation between the client and the escort puts the client at risk for possible extortion.

 

I am pleased that you are comfortable posting your photo "all over the internet" but most people do not do that.

Actually, if one sends a picture through rentmen that is not anywhere else online using a fake dedicated email to login, keep conversation on rentmen only, and uses VPN/makes their location private through rentmen settings, it's actually not really possible to trace the source of where the photo was sent. I'll concede that someone really malicious can still find means to use the picture to blackmail. But tracing the source should not become an issue especially because someone that concerned should educate themselves on how to protect themselves before proceeding to hire.

[coriolis888]

Actually, if one sends a picture through rentmen that is not anywhere else online using a fake dedicated email to login, keep conversation on rentmen only, and uses VPN/makes their location private through rentmen settings, it's actually not really possible to trace the source of where the photo was sent. I'll concede that someone really malicious can still find means to use the picture to blackmail. But tracing the source should not become an issue especially because someone that concerned should educate themselves on how to protect themselves before proceeding to hire.

 

 

Matt, you are a nice guy and I want to meet you one of these days.

 

However, think about what you wrote.

 

If an escort got a photo of a potential client from the rentmen site, there is no way that the photo cannot be traced back to rentmen. Then, with the photo and messages sent back and forth between the potential client and provider, plus the photo, bingo, you have a connection that puts the client at risk for extortion.

[coriolis888]

You are a professional, so you have linkedin. So there is your face photo on social media.

 

 

You are funny. I do not have linkedin.

 

You said you are not from the U.S. Not all professionals in the U.S. subscribe to facebook and similar sites. I am one who does not like my privacy put at risk. I have no need for that type software. I do not accept all clients and I do not advertise.

[MrMattBig]

Matt, you are a nice guy and I want to meet you one of these days.

 

However, think about what you wrote.

 

If an escort got a photo of a potential client from the rentmen site, there is no way that the photo cannot be traced back to rentmen. Then, with the photo and messages sent back and forth between the potential client and provider, plus the photo, bingo, you have a connection that puts the client at risk for extortion.

Absolutely correct about the photo being linked to rentmen. But there is no real name ? , location occupation etc associated. So at that point the photo becomes quite useless in terms of tactical extortion. I was eluding to this exactly actually when I mentioned malicious means by way of playing off fear alone. That's why it's important to keep fear in check and be mindful of what is actually behind the smoke sometimes.

[Guest europeanman]

You are funny. I do not have linkedin.

 

You said you are not from the U.S. Not all professionals subscribe to facebook and similar sites. I am one who does not like my privacy put at risk. Furthermore, there is no need for me to communicate with those type sites.

Sorry I deleted this post because we do circles. I am a professional too and I have customers and business partners who do not use email and communicate only via messenger and WhatsApp. Recently a government minister demanded we communicate only via WhatsApp because of its end to end encryption... lol

[coriolis888]

Absolutely correct about the photo being linked to rentmen. But there is no real name ? , location occupation etc associated. So at that point the photo becomes quite useless in terms of tactical extortion. I was eluding to this exactly actually when I mentioned malicious means by way of playing off fear alone. That's why it's important to keep fear in check and be mindful of what is actually behind the smoke sometimes.

 

" Then, with the photo and messages sent back and forth between the potential client and provider, plus the photo, bingo, you have a connection that puts the client at risk for extortion."

 

You did not connect this part of my post to your response.

 

The words written between the client and the provider (in rentmen or similar site) together with a photo connect the two -

[MrMattBig]

" Then, with the photo and messages sent back and forth between the potential client and provider, plus the photo, bingo, you have a connection that puts the client at risk for extortion."

 

You did not connect this part of my post to your response.

 

The words written between the client and the provider (in rentmen or similar site) together with a photo connect the two -

I did miss that but...

What would the example be though of a conversation via rentmen that would reveal real world info that could be used to extort?

Edited December 9, 2019 by MrMattBig

[+ nycman]

I’ve been asked for a photo several times. In every instance, I’ve politely

declined but sent a brief (and painfully honest) description of myself.

 

That preserves my privacy and allows the provider some information so

they can see if we’re a good fit or not. Honestly, I’d rather not see an escort

who was struggling to perform because of my age, body, and/or looks.

 

In all instances the escorts have gone through with the appointment without

receiving a photo. Mostly the requests seem to come more from basic curiosity

than from any real desire to screen clients. And everytime it’s been a good hire

despite the lack of photos being provided.

 

I thinks it’s a dumb business move on their part to ask....but I understand.

 

If an escort seemed genuinely nervous about meeting without seeing a

picture, and I really wanted to meet them, I would offer to meet on neutral

territory (e.g. a Starbucks) with both of us reserving the right to walk away,

no feelings hurt.

 

If an escort insisted on a picture, I would assume we weren’t a match and

politely move on.

 

The take home message is...don’t ghost them because they requested a pic.

Just politely decline. In my experience, you can still have a successful hire.

[Chad Constantine]

" Then, with the photo and messages sent back and forth between the potential client and provider, plus the photo, bingo, you have a connection that puts the client at risk for extortion."

 

You did not connect this part of my post to your response.

 

The words written between the client and the provider (in rentmen or similar site) together with a photo connect the two -

 

Clients are at risk every time they meet someone in any industry. Blackmail only works if you care about it getting out all you have to do is simply just call their bluff. With people catfishing other people with fake pics would anyone believe it too.

 

If they want to extort you they will find a way even if they don't ask for your picture. They could have hidden cameras that take your picture, look in your wallet to find your personal info from your driver license or non-drivers ID, or a million other ways that i cant think of now.

 

Unless they are computer geniuses or paying to do a background check I would say it is pretty hard to find out who you are with just a photo using reverse picture search engines. When I am checking to see if guys are real unless they either use their real number, use photo they have posted on other social media platforms, use their real name, or give out personal info I never find any info.

[DallasClient]

I've been asked for a picture from a couple guys on RM. If they ask, I'll send one. If they don't like what they see I'd rather find out sooner rather than later. Usually, it's very new guys though.

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

Most of the responses thus far all seem innocent and to the point.

 

But - - - - I have not seen a response in connection with possible abuse of a client photo if a client sends a photo to an unknown person advertising on a gay escort site, like rentmen for example.

 

As I write this post, I am aware of a provider who is currently sitting in jail because he obtained photos of a client then attempted to blackmail the client by use of those photos.

 

To your point, I think this is the intent behind the OP question, trying to understand the benefits of providing a photo and the associated risks of doing so. My reply is specific to understanding the situation of providing one photo, a face pic, and nothing that by itself would be of a sexual nature.

 

Thus, where you missed the point is that if an escort asks on rentmen or a similar escort site for a client's photo, and the photo comes through rentmen, it is easy to trace the source of where the photo was sent. The photo plus the conversation between the client and the escort puts the client at risk for possible extortion.

 

I think this is an excellent point. How one chooses to share information is almost as critical for personal protection as what is shared.

 

I am pleased that you are comfortable posting your photo "all over the internet" but most people do not do that.

 

Private people have photos of them on the internet, even if they have not posted the photos themselves and without providing consent for those photos to appear. My photo has appeared as part of work I've done with charitable organizations, or in the background of photos when I've attended sporting events or concerts.

 

I do not have a facebook or similar type account. Most of my clients do not facebook type accounts. I am a highly private and professional person - not an escort.

 

With all of your concerns about potential blackmail, I wonder whether you actually participate in this hobby.

[MikeBiDude]

if an escort asks on rentmen or a similar escort site for a client's photo, and the photo comes through rentmen, it is easy to trace the source of where the photo was sent. The photo plus the conversation between the client and the escort puts the client at risk for possible extortion.

I never send via RM messaging. Is that what you mean? I only send via text message from burner.

 

With all of your concerns about potential blackmail, I wonder whether you actually participate in this hobby.

I think there are a lot of lurkers on this forum who live vicariously through those of us that are hiring regularly.

[Realalist]

I am not an escort. You miss my point. Our photos are all over Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin etc. Anyone can get a photo of anyone. An escort having a photo of mine does not mean I hired him, or even communicated with him. It means absolutely nothing.

The point you are missing that in addition to a photo, this photo is attached to potentially explicit text as well. I'm pretty sure that most are more worried about that considering a picture is worthless without context.

[marylander1940]

 

I think there are a lot of lurkers on this forum who live vicariously through those of us that are hiring regularly.

 

Yes, we have notorious window shoppers who post but don't hire or do it once or twice per year.