Messing with AT&T

[Guest Tristan]

OK, first things first. The post is so funny, it's already made my day. I really enjoyed reading it.

 

Let's move on to the serious issue generated by this post. What's all the debate and smoke about? You always explicitly give credit to someone else's writing. It doesn't matter whether it's by referencing the author's name or by a link. It's not enough to place quotes around the entire text. Not to reference the author has always been called plagiarism. Anybody remember footnoting?

 

The level of plagiarism in professional journals and college term papers has risen to the point where one wonders if many now consider this acceptable behavior. It has to be crystal clear that it is unacceptable. There's no grey area here. You either give credit to the author, or you've plagiarized his/her work.

 

- Tristan

[+ Charlie]

I retired several years ago, but I understand that there are now special websites for teachers, on which they can type suspicious sections from papers, and a search will be made for the source (it only works, of course, if the source is somewhere on the Internet--as it mostly is nowadays).

[+ Lucky]

RE: Skrubbing That One

 

Whatever spin you want to put on it, skrubber, the fact is you wrote that you had this conversation. I thought it was pretty good and complimented you on it. You never said you didn't really have this conversation, that you copied it from somewhere else. You put it up as though it was your work.

 

So spin it all you want. I feel burned for complimenting you, and I note that you didn't correct me even then. Integrity apparently isn't something you value, but I do. Have fun with your friend Ben.

[Doug69]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>Why not

>something like "When I saw the original version of that, I

>thought it was (or wasn't) funny". It gets the point across

>w/o the venom.

 

You are so right, PWIT. Instead of being direct, upfront and clear, it is always better to be meek, timid, vague and passive-aggressive. I think we should all heed your fantastic advice and use it in all situations. For example, if I see someone shoplifting at Macy's, instead of telling the security guard, "That person over there just shoved a pair of Chanel sunglasses into her bag," instead I will say, "You know, I really love those Chanel sunglasses. There seems to be one less pair of sunglasses now, and yet there isn't an increase in money in the cash register (wink wink)." Or if I see someone shoot another person in the head and kill them, instead of calling 911 and saying, "I just saw John Smith kill Bill Jones," I will say, "You know what? While he was still alive, Bill Jones was a great guy." You see, it gets the point across without the venom.

 

Thank you for making it clear to us that you see nothing wrong with plagiarizing, while you do see something wrong with exposing a plagiarist, if it isn't done according to your milquetoast standards of niceness.

[Doug69]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>Thank you for a breath of sanity.:-)

 

Yes, because as we all know, it's just so "insane" to oppose and expose the stealing of copyrighted works.

 

By the way, KMEM, I want to ask in all seriousness: do you have a split-personality? Above, you complained that "Every thing has to be so PC these days" and yet here you are thanking PWIT for his post, in which he was suggesting that I expose skrubber's plagiarism in a more PC way. Or are you just trying to prove the meaning of "insanity" by example?

[KMEM]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

D69-

 

When were you selected cop of the world or even this MB? Even when you are right, which isn't always, you manage to at least annoy some. I suppose you aren't running for dog catcher. You wouldn't have a prayer.

 

Now that I have admitted that you have annoyed me, does that make you feel better?

 

Best regards,

 

KMEM

[+ deej]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>Thank you for making it clear to us that you see nothing wrong

>with plagiarizing

 

He didn't say that. You know it and so does everyone reading this thread.

 

In some circles, this would be called spin. But since you're all for brutal honesty, let's just call it a lie.

 

Your arguments would be more effective if you didn't have to be a liar to support them. Following from a lie to equating plagiarism with murder just really makes you look like a clown.

 

You're good when you stick to the facts. You're not so good when you start making them up.

[Guest PWIT]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

kiss my ass. Only a true nut case could jump to such conclusions and interpretations.

[Doug69]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>kiss my ass. Only a true nut case could jump to such

>conclusions and interpretations.

 

Once again, as in the Benji Nicholas plagiarizing thread, you have absolutely nothing to say about skrubber's actions, as you had nothing to say about Benji's actions, but instead choose to make personal attacks on the person (in both cases, me) who exposed them. In that other thread, you called me a "sanctimonious bitter queen" and now I'm a "true nut case." This site really is still a great source of amusement to me.

 

And, since you and my good friend deej have such a hard time reading, I will reprint what I wrote above: "I think we should all heed your fantastic advice and use it in all situations." Nowhere did I "equate plagiarism with murder" as the ever brilliant deej concluded, nor did I "jump to conclusions and interpretations." I merely said that your timid, passive-aggressive approach to life was a great idea, and gave examples of other situations in which one could effectively use it.

[KMEM]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

D69

 

What is your motive in "exposing" others? I have noticed no hue and cry for this "service" to be performed. Especially repeatedly when those who should have apologized did, others who wanted to remark have, and then the whole thing has become passe, beside the point, over and done.

 

But, you seem to have a one track mind. Find a technical error when someone did not give complete and proper credit for something and then beat us to death with it. There are no law suits pending and those directly involved have forgiven and forgotten. Why haven't you?

 

When I "expose" an escort it is for an entirely different and physical reason:-)

 

Best regards,

 

KMEM

[Guest PWIT]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>>kiss my ass. Only a true nut case could jump to such

>>conclusions and interpretations.

>

>Once again, as in the Benji Nicholas plagiarizing thread, you

>have absolutely nothing to say about skrubber's actions, as

>you had nothing to say about Benji's actions, but instead

>choose to make personal attacks on the person (in both cases,

>me) who exposed them.

 

There was nothing I needed to say on the subject - I didn't defend it. I did call you out on the manner in which you presented the information. The facts could have spoken volumes - but you had to lace with your piety, and that just made it nauseous to read.

 

>In that other thread, you called me a

>"sanctimonious bitter queen" and now I'm a "true nut case."

>This site really is still a great source of amusement to me.

 

doing a selective cut & paste eh? no mention that I made those remarks after you did not like my more genteel approach and I was just accommodating your desire for less passivity.

 

>And, since you and my good friend deej have such a hard time

>reading, I will reprint what I wrote above: "I think we should

>all heed your fantastic advice and use it in all situations."

>Nowhere did I "equate plagiarism with murder" as the ever

>brilliant deej concluded, nor did I "jump to conclusions and

>interpretations." I merely said that your timid,

>passive-aggressive approach to life was a great idea, and gave

>examples of other situations in which one could effectively

>use it.

 

forgot to repeat the examples where you jumped to conclusions and interpretations? naw...you didn't forget did ya.

[N13]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

"What is your motive in "exposing" others? I have noticed no hue and cry for this "service" to be performed"

 

Pointing out that someone is guilty of plagerism is not '"exposing" others'. It is simply pointing out that someone is guilty of plagerism. And yes, there is a 'hue and cry for this "service" to be performed.' It is unspoken, but there, for anyone who believes that plagerism is not acceptable.

 

The venom seems to be coming from those that want to excuse the plagerism as a 'not very important' activity.

 

The lack of morality therein implied is sad at best and dangerous at worst.

 

It is obvious that this was an attempt at claiming credit for someone else's work. Why not just 'fess up' and say you made a mistake and stop trying to justify it and blame others for pointing out that you did it with full knowledge and forethought.

[N13]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

"What is your motive in "exposing" others? I have noticed no hue and cry for this "service" to be performed"

 

Pointing out that someone is guilty of plagerism is not '"exposing" others'. It is simply pointing out that someone is guilty of plagerism. And yes, there is a 'hue and cry for this "service" to be performed.' It is unspoken, but there, for anyone who believes that plagerism is not acceptable.

 

The venom seems to be coming from those that want to excuse the plagerism as a 'not very important' activity.

 

The lack of morality therein implied is sad at best and dangerous at worst.

 

It is obvious that this was an attempt at claiming credit for someone else's work. Why not just 'fess up' and say you made a mistake and stop trying to justify it and blame others for pointing out that you did it with full knowledge and forethought.

[Doug69]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>>In that other thread, you called me a

>>"sanctimonious bitter queen" and now I'm a "true nut case."

>>This site really is still a great source of amusement to me.

>

>doing a selective cut & paste eh? no mention that I made

>those remarks after you did not like my more genteel approach

>and I was just accommodating your desire for less passivity.

 

Yes, you're absolutely right, PWIT. It's all my fault. You see, I forced you to make personal attacks and resort to childish name-calling, something you would never do on your own. It's amazing how you cannot take responsibility for your own word choice. You're just a victim.

[Doug69]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>>In that other thread, you called me a

>>"sanctimonious bitter queen" and now I'm a "true nut case."

>>This site really is still a great source of amusement to me.

>

>doing a selective cut & paste eh? no mention that I made

>those remarks after you did not like my more genteel approach

>and I was just accommodating your desire for less passivity.

 

Yes, you're absolutely right, PWIT. It's all my fault. You see, I forced you to make personal attacks and resort to childish name-calling, something you would never do on your own. It's amazing how you cannot take responsibility for your own word choice. You're just a victim.

[Guest PWIT]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>Yes, you're absolutely right, PWIT. It's all my fault. You

>see, I forced you to make personal attacks and resort to

>childish name-calling, something you would never do on your

>own. It's amazing how you cannot take responsibility for your

>own word choice. You're just a victim.

 

Nope. Not a victim here. Maybe you didn't read the part in that post where I regretted the use of those words? Ah...but sure you did. Now, ready to take a little responsibility for all your own childish behavior?

[Guest PWIT]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>Yes, you're absolutely right, PWIT. It's all my fault. You

>see, I forced you to make personal attacks and resort to

>childish name-calling, something you would never do on your

>own. It's amazing how you cannot take responsibility for your

>own word choice. You're just a victim.

 

Nope. Not a victim here. Maybe you didn't read the part in that post where I regretted the use of those words? Ah...but sure you did. Now, ready to take a little responsibility for all your own childish behavior?

[Doug69]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>The venom seems to be coming from those that want to excuse

>the plagerism as a 'not very important' activity.

>

>The lack of morality therein implied is sad at best and

>dangerous at worst.

 

Most people here seem to agree that stealing is a bad thing, but you're right that the most vocal and venomous are the ones who are eager to excuse it and attack anyone who discovers it. I'm no psychologist, but maybe they themselves live a life of lies and therefore don't see such theft as a "bad" thing, because it subconsciously validates their own actions.

[Doug69]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>The venom seems to be coming from those that want to excuse

>the plagerism as a 'not very important' activity.

>

>The lack of morality therein implied is sad at best and

>dangerous at worst.

 

Most people here seem to agree that stealing is a bad thing, but you're right that the most vocal and venomous are the ones who are eager to excuse it and attack anyone who discovers it. I'm no psychologist, but maybe they themselves live a life of lies and therefore don't see such theft as a "bad" thing, because it subconsciously validates their own actions.

[Guest PWIT]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>>The venom seems to be coming from those that want to excuse

>>the plagerism as a 'not very important' activity.

>>

>>The lack of morality therein implied is sad at best and

>>dangerous at worst.

>

>Most people here seem to agree that stealing is a bad thing,

>but you're right that the most vocal and venomous are the ones

>who are eager to excuse it and attack anyone who discovers it.

> I'm no psychologist, but maybe they themselves live a life of

>lies and therefore don't see such theft as a "bad" thing,

>because it subconsciously validates their own actions.

 

Well, let's see. The only venomous statements seem to be coming either from you or from me (if you consider my passive aggressive statement "Only a true nut case could jump to such conclusions and interpretations." venomous). And since my critique of you is for you method of delivery - not the discovery - you may need to put your amateur psychologist hat on again and come up with another explication.

[Guest PWIT]

RE: Messing with AT&T

 

>>The venom seems to be coming from those that want to excuse

>>the plagerism as a 'not very important' activity.

>>

>>The lack of morality therein implied is sad at best and

>>dangerous at worst.

>

>Most people here seem to agree that stealing is a bad thing,

>but you're right that the most vocal and venomous are the ones

>who are eager to excuse it and attack anyone who discovers it.

> I'm no psychologist, but maybe they themselves live a life of

>lies and therefore don't see such theft as a "bad" thing,

>because it subconsciously validates their own actions.

 

Well, let's see. The only venomous statements seem to be coming either from you or from me (if you consider my passive aggressive statement "Only a true nut case could jump to such conclusions and interpretations." venomous). And since my critique of you is for you method of delivery - not the discovery - you may need to put your amateur psychologist hat on again and come up with another explication.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Skrubbing That One

 

I'm with Doug, Lucky, and everyone else who has a problem with plagiarism (and shouldn't everybody?). Guys, it's not hard to give credit or provide a link. As a writer (I blog every now and then ), I would hate to find that someone was taking credit for my effort.

 

Maybe some people just don't realize that it's theft (to build on Tristan's point...do people now think it's OK because the internet makes it so easy to do?) and don't see the need to credit the source. But I think we as a community here can self-police and just make sure we all provide links to the original source or put it in quotes with the author's name. And if anyone tries to pull a fast one, remember: Doug is watching.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Skrubbing That One

 

I'm with Doug, Lucky, and everyone else who has a problem with plagiarism (and shouldn't everybody?). Guys, it's not hard to give credit or provide a link. As a writer (I blog every now and then ), I would hate to find that someone was taking credit for my effort.

 

Maybe some people just don't realize that it's theft (to build on Tristan's point...do people now think it's OK because the internet makes it so easy to do?) and don't see the need to credit the source. But I think we as a community here can self-police and just make sure we all provide links to the original source or put it in quotes with the author's name. And if anyone tries to pull a fast one, remember: Doug is watching.

[Lookin]

RE: Skrubbing That One

 

For those who are ready to enter the light and join the fight against plagiarism on the internet, you may be interested in this website devoted to the subject: http://www.plagiarism.org

 

Here’s just a partial list of topics covered on this fascinating website:

 

” (quote)

 

- Plagiarism defined, in easy-to-understand terms

- Tips on how to avoid both internet-based and conventional plagiarism

- Guidelines for proper citation, and links to help with specific citation styles

- Suggestions for developing good research and writing skills

- Answers to frequently asked questions, including explanations for often misunderstood concepts like fair use, public domain, and copyright law

 

” (end of quote)

 

 

And best of all, there are no pesky references to escorts, eye candy, hot spots, travel plans, lap dances, entertainment, fashion, fun, or fetishes. Just all plagiarism, all the time.

 

Enjoy!

[Lookin]

RE: Skrubbing That One

 

For those who are ready to enter the light and join the fight against plagiarism on the internet, you may be interested in this website devoted to the subject: http://www.plagiarism.org

 

Here’s just a partial list of topics covered on this fascinating website:

 

” (quote)

 

- Plagiarism defined, in easy-to-understand terms

- Tips on how to avoid both internet-based and conventional plagiarism

- Guidelines for proper citation, and links to help with specific citation styles

- Suggestions for developing good research and writing skills

- Answers to frequently asked questions, including explanations for often misunderstood concepts like fair use, public domain, and copyright law

 

” (end of quote)

 

 

And best of all, there are no pesky references to escorts, eye candy, hot spots, travel plans, lap dances, entertainment, fashion, fun, or fetishes. Just all plagiarism, all the time.

 

Enjoy!