Time is money - Providers and Clients need to respect Time.

[Daniel84]

Besides some negativity on this thread overall I appreciate the open dialog and points of views of many of the members.

 

Thank you

[Trick]

 

 

Just like a eye doctor or doctors office if you no show or cancel without proper notice they charge a fee.

 

 

 

 

How can an escort even implement this? Do you have the client’s payment info where you can charge him? How do you pursue him? Chances are he is using a pseudonym and a burner phone or a VOIP app.

[Daniel84]

How can an escort even implement this? Do you have the client’s payment info where you can charge him? How do you pursue him? Chances are he is using a pseudonym and a burner phone or a VOIP app.

 

 

When they try to rebook I inform them that I require a deposit.

[hypothetically]

I’ve been thinking of a possible solution this problem of flakey clients. What if the provider made some kind of a waiting list, especially for first time clients. Say he books Client Number 1 for 7pm. Then if Client Number 2 also wants to book that time, he will be told that he is on a waiting list and he will be notified if his booking goes through. Several clients can be on the waiting list so the provider can have a safety net against flakes.

 

Ambitious.

[Trick]

Ambitious.

I know

[SirBillybob]

These extended threads speak to innate traits that are both evolutionary and environmentally influenced. There is considerable interest in whether humans operate figuratively from a "selfish" gene versus a "cooperative" gene. Some argue that selfishness emerged much later in human evolutionary history when survival became more based on competition for resources. I think we recognize the human capacity to oscillate between the two positions.

Back to the present. There is research that explores the tension between cooperation and self-interest, along the lines of rapid intuitive instinct versus more methodical rational reflection? Do we cooperate when we overcome our intuitive selfishness with rational self-control, or do we react selfishly when we override our intuitive cooperative impulses with rational self-interest. Substantial evidence suggests the latter.

I already commented a while back on clients' tendencies to ruminate about the personal costs about a planned purchase during the lag time between product order and purchase confirmation. Stop-loss, gain/lose utility inequality, etc.

A hair or doctor's appointment is based on a transient but stable need. Sexual desire is finicky, transitory, and unstable, with peaks and valleys largely dependent on the response cycle, orgasmic release and refractory periods where horniness is subdued.

A time-specific peak in desire is the impetus for booking. It is urgent, primordial, idealizes the provider (perhaps to a borderline delusional degree), and intuitively cooperative. Ideally (for escorts) yet impractical, the transaction would occur immediately. Paradoxically, the inherent self-interest spurred by desire is briefly set aside in the apparent decision to pay.

In contrast, for many of us a manicure or chiropractic appointment is not as spontaneously intuitive. The need or problem has constancy up to the time of the service. Perhaps the same can be said for massage parlours and strip clubs offering release. They are not so much on a schedule and can better 'catch & release' (tee-hee) according to the immediacy of walk-ins' desire.

All clients, then, must overcome the secondary overthinking that emerges from shifts in sexual tension. Human sexual nature also realistically means an unwillingness to defer orgasm much beyond the excitation peak that prompted an appointment in the first place. Your client, in other words, often pursues release in the interim. There is little prediction and control over where the allotted booked time falls within the client's sexual response cycle.

Honestly, I know myself, and that I will only part with money for sex as a very temporary lapse in rational judgement. That is why I have cultivated the discipline of tolerating the elevation of sexual desire/tension until the time of the appointment, or more typically get off in a strip club.

These cancellation and no-show problems are clearly an artefact of the business. A therapist, for example, might spend an hour exploring ambivalence with the client, but that is a very different scenario.

I think it is likely difficult to predict ahead of time the lapse in enthusiasm that a new client may demonstrate over time. Booking itself, for some, is a very unique and ephemeral state of consciousness. What I think escorts are unfortunately impelled to do is take regular barometric readings that run up and down, and then experience surprise and disappointment regarding the abrupt about-face that may occur despite valiant attempts to maintain the client's peak desire through social connection, bridging and so on.

Personally, if I had to escort, in a parallel universe, and client volume was far from overwhelming me, I would try to find a practical way to strategize to intersect predominantly at peak sexual tension. This would likely involve high levels of flexibility and perhaps a paradigm shift in price-points and session lengths. No clear easy answer. Lucky for me I don't have to test my ideas.

[mike carey]

Ambitious

This made me think of Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister who would say, 'Courageous decision, Minister', which was code for, 'Are you mad?' (I'm not suggesting that you said ambitious to mean crazy.)

[hypothetically]

This made me think of Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister who would say, 'Courageous decision, Minister', which was code for, 'Are you mad?' (I'm not suggesting that you said ambitious to mean crazy.)

 

Same tone

[jjkrkwood]

I don't know WHY these types of subjects always get "overthought" ? It's simple courtesy. Just exercise it, and remember NOT everything is always about YOU !

 

[hypothetically]

It's simple courtesy. Just exercise it

 

...it’s such a difficult concept for some to grasp, unfortunately

[Trick]

...it’s such a difficult concept for some to grasp, unfortunately

 

I concur

[Daniel84]

Today I had a two hour meeting that has been confirmed for about a week with constant communication not even show up. I am now changing my business if you want to book a EC type of service I require a deposit. I am sorry for the inconvenience this will cause some but I am done having people waste my time.

 

I get it; in the heat of the moment and constant urge for instance gratification clients book and have intentions to show up. Then the idea of hiring someone disappears and decide not to be man enough to cancel.

 

My escort service Business will probably take a hit in income as I require a deposit for all new clients but this was just one of the fires in the kitchen. I would rather make less money and have people who are serious then have clients waste my time.

 

rant over lol

[+ OliverSaks]

You’re the only person who requiring a deposit is gonna hurt.

If texting is so much work for you, work at Starbucks or something

 

Flakes are a part of the biz. Quit being so entitled

[Daniel84]

You’re the only person who requiring a deposit is gonna hurt.

If texting is so much work for you, work at Starbucks or something

 

Flakes are a part of the biz. Quit being so entitled

 

Actually there’s tons of guys requiring a deposit. It has nothing to do about texting ; My gripe is a appointment is confirmed then a client doesn’t show up or even communicate they have to cancel. Thank you for your advice on getting a job at Starbucks I heard they have a great discount ?

 

I don’t require a deposit for my massage services but for escort services I do as escort clients tend to be more flaky and have a track record of not showing up for me and every other escort that I know.

 

not sure if you’re a client or not but if you didn’t wanna pay a deposit then I’m not the right guy for you it’s simple as that.

[DevDaddy]

Quit being so entitled

Its not entitlement, it’s a solution to a much larger issue of people lacking communication skills. If you have the funds for the encounter the deposit should be of no issue, especially if the deposit is a relatively small amount. It shows a true intention of meeting and should something upend the encounter on the side of the provider it would be easy to refund. Should the person cancel themselves then it is not a complete loss. We understand that people are busy and life happens, but the world does not revolve around our clientele. We have things to do that we reschedule to make time for clients who don’t care in the slightest about what we go through to make things happen for them. It’s an abusive relationship that providers are constantly, and consistently, told to put up and shut up in because clients cant be bothered to be decent human beings anymore. It’s completely asinine.

[Daniel84]

Its not entitlement, it’s a solution to a much larger issue of people lacking communication skills. If you have the funds for the encounter the deposit should be of no issue, especially if the deposit is a relatively small amount. It shows a true intention of meeting and should something upend the encounter on the side of the provider it would be easy to refund. Should the person cancel themselves then it is not a complete loss. We understand that people are busy and life happens, but the world does not revolve around our clientele. We have things to do that we reschedule to make time for clients who don’t care in the slightest about what we go through to make things happen for them. It’s an abusive relationship that providers are constantly, and consistently, told to put up and shut up in because clients cant be bothered to be decent human beings anymore. It’s completely asinine.

 

I could not have said it better than what you just said. The client in question that did not show up just emailed me back with just “sorry “.. No explanation on why he flaked.

[+ OliverSaks]

Think of how hard people in the world have to work to make what you make in an hour working as a companion...

 

???????? flakes and time wasters are the cost of doing biz, be thankful you aren’t working in f’ing rice patties or as a child soldier, good grief

[Milo Farnsworth]

As a client I see a big problem with fake escorts using this deposit schtick to cheat clients. Sorry, I'll pass.

[+ Keith30309]

I’ve been asked for deposits a couple of times and passed. I don’t like them for a couple of reasons: the loss of privacy incurred with some electronic money transfer channels and the potential of being scammed. It means I’ve missed the opportunity to meet two guys I wanted too. I consider that a lose/lose.

 

Everyone makes their choices on this topic... and on sending face pics... and on requiring condoms for one or both roles... and on PnP.... etc.

 

One perspective is that the potential cost of an provider’s wasted time is greater than the potential cost of a client’s loss of privacy and fraud. I’m pretty flexible and will do many things to make a meeting happen but that rationale doesn’t work for me.

 

So, I’ve decided that I’m ok with being unable to meet deposit-requiring guys. No hard feelings and I wish them the greatest success.

 

[Edit: Do these guys require deposits -> https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/beware-nashville-louisville-cincinnati-indianapolis.151565/ ]

Edited August 22, 2019 by Keith30309

[DDad4ynger]

You’re the only person who requiring a deposit is gonna hurt.

If texting is so much work for you, work at Starbucks or something

 

Flakes are a part of the biz. Quit being so entitled

A bit hostile I would say. I think this is a tough problem for guys in your business. Maybe a little discussion and putting some “heads” together could shed some light or new ideas. Hmmm just a thought.

[SirBillybob]

Sorry if this idea is already presented in previous threads, Daniel84. I am sure some members will happily shoot it down. LOL

 

"Earnest payment" cannot be easily applied to a biz on the fringes of legality, and there would need to be a middleman for escrow, default, or refund contingencies. The central problem is dishonesty either side.

 

One idea is to summarize your take on the earnest deposit idea and simply ask prospective clients what their attitude is, irrespective of whether they have or agree to a remittance mechanism. It has a long history you can reference and you need not highlight badass clients as if you are projecting a new client falls into the scumbag category.

 

More tantric, less tantrum.

 

His response may provide an additional screening tool for you. Many services require an intentional downpayment to commit. Jackasses balk.

 

I just bought an OnlyFans one-month privilege for a local dancer's account access. It occurs to me that you can open a provider account yourself. The content can corroborate your legitimacy and need not allude to much beyond Tx massage, in case a client worries about his digital footprints.

 

Obviously, you would set the single-month opening payment higher and at a level commensurate with your

session rate. You don't have to invoice. He remits on OnlyFans and it is secure. I think there is a way to work out how you identify the payer as the particular client. Perhaps he msgs you thru the site? I don't have time to look it up.

 

This, of course, would apply to initial appointment. He then cancels the following month charge. I realize subsequent ones would likely not synch with consecutive monthly payments.

Edited August 24, 2019 by SirBIllybob

[SirBillybob]

You could even for handle use: EarnestPenny, ArlesPenny, God'sSilver, ArgentumDei, KingsShilling, EscrowEgg, the list goes on. Just make it a fair-and-square deposit agenda. By fair, I don't mean Renaissance Fair, though the labels evoke that theme, My Lord.

 

And of course acknowledge your receipt ASAP to alleviate his anxiety.

[SirBillybob]

Not MadMochachino ... couldn't resist. ?

[Daniel84]

Going forward massage client appointments will always take priority. If the Ec client doesn’t communicate or confirm the day of I’ll book someone else. I am just used to when a client wants a appointment they book and show up. I am still new to EC style of services anyway.

[+ OliverSaks]

It isn’t really a tough problem.

A tough problem is feeding a family of 4 on a minimum wage job.

 

Have some perspective AND frame flakes as a part of the biz -

 

It’s tiresome to hear provider’s acting like some (basically) crank calls are so devastating. It can be annoying, but there are signals to learn to avoid wild goose chases (@Kevin Slater has given plenty of useful guidance over the years, for instance)

 

A bit hostile I would say. I think this is a tough problem for guys in your business. Maybe a little discussion and putting some “heads” together could shed some light or new ideas. Hmmm just a thought.