Orientation

[+ sync]

A client expecting a provider’s advertising to be legitimate and truthful is naive.

You bought into a visual and some keywords. If you believe it is authentic. You are undoubtedly naive.

Your above comments are inclusively broad and negative generalizations of providers and clients. To me they suggest that you may have experienced some hurt as both a provider and a client. Be it naiveté or just optimism, I believe the majority of providers to be truthful in their advertising. I would just like them to extend their truthfulness to designating their sexual orientation. With that, I respectfully depart with my conclusions, and leave you with yours.

[hypothetically]

Your above comments are inclusively broad and negative generalizations of providers and clients. To me they suggest that you may have experienced some hurt as both a provider and a client. Be it naiveté or just optimism, I believe the majority of providers to be truthful in their advertising. I would just like them to extend their truthfulness to designating their sexual orientation. With that, I respectfully depart with my conclusions, and leave you with yours.

 

No, my comments are honest and it’s a tough pill to swallow for those who do not want to accept the business is fabrication and fallacies, but I digress.

 

Lol welp. Happy Delusion Solstice and good luck to you, I guess.

Edited July 7, 2019 by hypothetically

[mike carey]

No, my comments are honest and it’s a tough pill to swallow for those who do not want to accept the business is fabrication and fallacies, but I digress.

I don't understand what the issue is. You assess the dude based on what he says, you hire him or not. Some guys become attractive when you read what they say in social media, Andre.

[Epigonos]

I’m not all together certain how much of a disagreement we have here. Hopefully every businessman attempting to sell a product, whether that product is a doughnut or a dick, has a marketing strategy directed at a predetermined target audience. I started the last sentence with the word hopefully because I would hope that rentmen escorts have spent some time determining their target audience and thinking through a marketing strategy to attract that audience.

 

If an escorts, in his rentmen ad, uses words/expressions like straight, top, bisexual, no kissing, or ask me I am NOT a part of his target audience. It really doesn’t make any difference to me how the escort actually sees or perceives himself. What interests me is how the escort’ presents himself to me through his rentmen ad and the above words/expressions are major turn-off to me. To other potential clients those very same words may/hopefully be a major turn-on to them and that is great and thus the escort has attracted his targeted audience.

 

My main points is that I don’t give a tinkers damn who an escort really is what I’m concerned about is how he presents himself to me and that he carries through on that presentation.

Edited July 7, 2019 by Epigonos

[mike carey]

I hear what you are saying, @Epigonos, and I'm not so prescriptive in my views. If I were to follow your guidelines, that would rule out Tristan Baldwin, something I wouldn't dream of doing.

[myophile]

I’m not all together certain how much of a disagreement we have here. Hopefully every businessman attempting to sell a product, whether that product is a doughnut or a dick, has a marketing strategy directed at a predetermined target audience. I started the last sentence with the word hopefully because I would hope that rentmen escorts have spent some time determining their target audience and thinking through a marketing strategy to attract that audience.

 

If an escorts, in his rentmen ad, uses words/expressions like straight, bisexual, no kissing, or ask me I am NOT a part of his target audience. It really doesn’t make any difference to me how the escort actually sees or perceives himself. What interests me is how the escort’ presents himself to me through his rentmen ad and the above words/expressions are major turn-off to me. To other potential clients those very same words may/hopefully be a major turn-on to them and that is great and thus the escort has attracted his targeted audience.

 

My main points is that I don’t give a tinkers damn who an escort really is what I’m concerned about is how he presents himself to me and that he carries through on that presentation.

 

That’s a sensible position, and I think broadly true, or at least defensible. My only comment, and it’s a self-referential one, is that I tend to base my perception of orientation on first-hand experience rather than on the escort’s say-so.

[Epigonos]

Mike I've been seeing Tristan Baldwin, on a regular basis, for so long that I don't have a clue how he represented himself when we first got together. My guess is that I first met him socially at one of the Palm Springs Weekends. Once I know a guy socially all bets are off.

[LivingnLA]

That’s a sensible position, and I think broadly true, or at least defensible. My only comment, and it’s a self-referential one, is that I tend to base my perception of orientation on first-hand experience rather than on the escort’s say-so.

 

This is why I ask about believability because if an escort is skeptical about their ability to fulfill my desired fantasy or stereotype then it almost certainly won't work in person. Little things like accent, vocal range, mannerisms, and more all matter when constructing a session that's believably enjoyable for both of us when I'm spending significant money. Ultimately, fantasies, fetishes, kinks, and limits are more important than a provider's real or advertised Sexual Orientation.

[LivingnLA]

Mike I've been seeing Tristan Baldwin, on a regular basis, for so long that I don't have a clue how he represented himself when we first got together. My guess is that I first met him socially at one of the Palm Springs Weekends. Once I know a guy socially all bets are off.

 

True for me too because perception is reality. If I meet someone who, to me, seems like what I'm into or I can imagine myself getting into it, then that's all that's required. It's all part of a professional's personal brand.

[+ WilliamM]

No, my comments are honest and it’s a tough pill to swallow for those who do not want to accept the business is fabrication and fallacies, but I digress.

 

Lol welp. Happy Delusion Solstice and good luck to you, I guess.

 

You are making a general statement that most people would understand on some level, but not everyone.

 

Giving a negative rating (a dislike) to someone who disagrees makes me question your ability to accept a different view. Few people are one hundred per cent on this subject.

[+ Gar1eth]

If he's a savvy escort, it's part of his marketing because it encourages the client to reach out and communicate. In Sales, it's frequently a good thing when a prospect proactively communicates. It's all about learning more about a potential client to create the best approximation of their desired service to secure a booking and earn some money.

 

Ah. But for me-and I doubt I'm alone-seeing 'Ask Me' just annoys the heck out of me. Deciding whether an escort and I might click from an ad is tough enough, I don't need extra obstacles put in my path.

 

I have written about this many times on this forum. I really wish human beings would study the latest research instead of continuing to propagate misinformation. Though, the research is also clear about how we humans love our belief systems much more than we care about facts, reality, or the truth.

 

While psychology and Human Sexuality are very complex topics, there is far more information now than ever before. For example, we know Sexual Orientation (SO) and Sexual Activity or Sexual Behavior are independent and interrelated. In other words, it's entirely possible and even probable for a cisgendered straight identified human male to enjoy various sexual activities with another human male, depending on a variety of psychological and sociological factors.

 

We all have our fetishes, kinks, and limits. If you're interested in a hot time with another human being, it's far more important to check for compatibility of fantasies, fetishes, interests, kinks, and limits than inquiring about another human's Sexual Orientation.

 

Sure straight guys can prefer certain physical acts. I might enjoy getting a blow job from a woman if #1 I could get hard to begin with from being with a female, and #2 I could mentally get over the fact that I had my tallywacker in a woman's mouth. But I'd still be gay.

 

Or another case-I talked to a guy on one of the apps a few years ago. He told me he was totally straight (if he was to be believed) but that he enjoyed bottoming. All he basically wanted was to have a guy come to his hotel room and plow him. But he was still straight.

 

 

As a cisgendered bisexual married father who enjoys spending time with certain stereotypes, I am less concerned with a particular person's SO than I am with their ability to embody a stereotypical Westernized cisgendered male fantasy. I ask questions about believability as a Hollywood leading man in a military movie or other stereotypical tropes. If the escort expresses skepticism, I politely move on. Yes, I have internalized homophobia, we all do, it's a big part of what feeds those of us into "straight guys," which is likely the anima and animus behind this entire thread and topic.

 

 

 

Interesting my homophobia is more externalized. But I prefer gay escorts-masculine but gay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gman

Edited July 8, 2019 by Gar1eth

[bendable2019]

There are some escorts whose photos we can easily tell their effeminate nature (no offense) yet they say they’re toppers... that’s a No No for me...

[mike carey]

There are some escorts whose photos we can easily tell their effeminate nature (no offense) yet they say they’re toppers... that’s a No No for me...

Effeminate and being a top are not mutually exclusive.

[+ Gar1eth]

There are some escorts whose photos we can easily tell their effeminate nature (no offense) yet they say they’re toppers... that’s a No No for me...

Effeminate and being a top are not mutually exclusive.

 

Possibly they are only a 'no no' for him.

 

Gman

[hypothetically]

You are making a general statement that most people would understand on some level, but not everyone.

 

Giving a negative rating (a dislike) to someone who disagrees makes me question your ability to accept a different view. Few people are one hundred per cent on this subject.

 

Out of the nearly 500 posts I’ve made, the number of “thumb downs” I’ve given I can count on one hand. That hardly signifies my lack of ability to accept views that differ from my own (as they usually do). You are also a follower of mine and have read many a post, so...please, spare me. A dislike is hardly a death sentence, I think he’ll be okay.

[+ WilliamM]

Out of the nearly 500 posts I’ve made, the number of “thumb downs” I’ve given I can count on one hand. That hardly signifies my lack of ability to accept views that differ from my own (as they usually do). You are also a follower of mine and have read many a post, so...please, spare me. A dislike is hardly a death sentence, I think he’ll be okay.

 

I am not a close follower, just very occasionally. And his disagreement was relatively minor.

[hypothetically]

I am not a close follower, just very occasionally. And his disagreement was relatively minor.

 

Shouldn’t he be taking that up with me? If anyone at all. Thank you? lol

[instudiocity]

Out of the nearly 500 posts I’ve made, the number of “thumb downs” I’ve given I can count on one hand. That hardly signifies my lack of ability to accept views that differ from my own (as they usually do). You are also a follower of mine and have read many a post, so...please, spare me. A dislike is hardly a death sentence, I think he’ll be okay.

LOL! I think you should sign all your posts with your screen name, in italics, "Hypothetically" !

[hypothetically]

LOL! I think you should sign all your posts with your screen name, in italics, "Hypothetically" !

 

Hahahaha don’t temmmpt me.

[instudiocity]

I think an advertiser on Rentmen is marketing a fantasy of spending time with him. But with limited resources-- resources limited by the standardized format of Rentmen's advertising model, which is a cookie-cutter format.

 

How many possibilities does the advertiser have for Orientation? I've only seen Bisexual, Gay, Straight and Ask Me. Is there a Prefer not to say? How about a Nun'ya as in None of You Business?

 

@hypothetically is correct in his statements here, but clients don't/won't tolerate being lied to by escorts. After all that's pretty much the general theme of Deli discussions. However, we will buy into a fantasy of being with a guy whom we find hot, who for the price of a session, we can believe we will relate.

 

Bottom line is the advertiser is an actor playing a role, for which he's written the script, posed for the photos, and ultimately generated some word-of-mouth (reviews). If he's model-esque in his photos, he's gets our attention. If he's a good script writer, he's closing the deal. No matter the quality of his acting, he's generating word-of-mouth advertising. All three elements are essential to successfully marketing his brand.

 

I can think of many men who have a GREAT Brand. Peter Hung, Tristan Baldwin, Benjamin Nicholas, to name a very few. I can also think of some not-so great brands - remember Scott Smith? I can also think of men with so-so brands not because of their Rentmen presence but their posting here is so starkly contrary tothe fantasy he is selling in his ads. Everyone knows this guy.

 

Ultimately, fantasy is fiction. It's not really a lie, but there can be little truth in a fantasy, either. Most often when the dollars paid don't line up with the experience, it generates negative reviews/comments. Remember Caveat Emptor.

 

Escorts need to know that the more their advertising aligns with their target, the broader the group of potential clients. Clients need to learn that when only 1 piece of the puzzle, generally the photos, is the only attractive part, the escort doesn't align with the client's fantasy. You need all three: photos, script, reviews, to decide a good match.

[+ SundayZip]

When I see an escort ad that states "ask me" for his sexual orientation, I see it as an invitation to have a discussion about expectations and boundaries. And that's a good thing. There are too many inaccurate assumptions that come with the limited set of sexual orientation labels available to an escort on rentmen (gay, straight or bi). Why not accept the escorts invitation and ask? It's a perfect opportunity to communicate your expectations and get a better sense of your compatibility.

[+ Gar1eth]

When I see an escort ad that states "ask me" for his sexual orientation, I see it as an invitation to have a discussion about expectations and boundaries. And that's a good thing. There are too many inaccurate assumptions that come with the limited set of sexual orientation labels available to an escort on rentmen (gay, straight or bi). Why not accept the escorts invitation and ask? It's a perfect opportunity to communicate your expectations and get a better sense of your compatibility.

 

Because I'm always going to ask whomever I pick just to be sure the ad is accurate or to make sure he isn't having an off day. Also not all the 'Ask Me's are like this, but it seems to me it is often a tip off that the guy is g4p.

 

Gman

[+ SundayZip]

We all have our fetishes, kinks, and limits. If you're interested in a hot time with another human being, it's far more important to check for compatibility of fantasies, fetishes, interests, kinks, and limits than inquiring about another human's Sexual Orientation.

 

Well said.

[+ SundayZip]

How many possibilities does the advertiser have for Orientation? I've only seen Bisexual, Gay, Straight and Ask Me. Is there a Prefer not to say? How about a Nun'ya as in None of You Business?

 

It looks to me like the "Orientation" options on rentmen are: Gay, Transsexual, Transgender, Bisexual, Straight and Ask me. They appear to be missing Portrait and Landscape.

[Epigonos]

For the sake of this post I'm going to assume that the escort who shows up for an appointment with a clients is exactly as he presents himself in his rentmen ad. Something that hasn't, I believe, been mentioned here, thus far, is the responsibility of the client in assuring that the his get together with the escort meets his expectations. If a client meets an escort with the attitude that it is totally the responsibility of the escort to assure the client a positive experience he is in for a disappointment. I have always found that the escorts I hire will generally mirror my attitude. Thus I always try to initiate a positive atmosphere upon meeting the guy I have hired for the first time. I usually cook dinner for the guy or we go out. We also usually share a bottle of wine and use that time to create a positive environment. By attempting to see that the escort has a positive experience will go a LONG way in assuring that the client has a positive experience.