Packing Heat -- not in a good way

[bordeauxfan]

Was anyone else alarmed by today's review of Tony Cuba? The reviewer stated that the escort pulled a gun on him when he didn't pay enough for backing out of the appointment. Now I realize that this is mostly a "He Said - He Said" situation, but in Tony's refute of the appointment, he never mentioned that the reviewer lied about the weapon. To me, the gun is the most egregious and scariest part of the encounter.

 

Has anyone else ever been assaulted in this way?

 

https://daddysreviews.com/cruise/2019-06-11

Edited June 11, 2019 by Guy Fawkes

[Tonyko]

I find it alarming that in his response he did NOT deny pulling a gun. (to me THAT would've been the FIRST thing to say no?)

[bendable2019]

OMD... the safest weapon is in this situation is the ? Did I hear dick? ??

[robberbaron4u]

Sweet potato pie and hush my mouth? Tony is a "hood" in the business of gay prostitution; you are a business proposition, a "

trick", no more, no less. You anticipated less aggressive behavior from him? Mediation, perhaps?

[JayCeeKy]

In his response to the Review, Mr. Cuba stated: "...if you want to post a review that obviously gonna hurt my reputation..."

Ya think?

[caliguy]

I think Tony just gained himself a whole new set of admirers.

[instudiocity]

Just SMH...

Why would you go into a nasty apartment? Run! Wino! RUN!

Why would you take a shower in a bathroom that nastier than the apartment? Run! Wino! RUN!

Why would you shower without a shower curtain? Run! Wino! RUN!

Why would you lie nekkid on the bed of probably unwashed sheets in a nasty apartment? Run! Wino! RUN!

Why wouldn't you disclose your status before making the appointment? Doing it nekkid on the bed after he's seen the goods just reinforces his already negative opinions of you for entering, showering and lying nekkid on bed as you say, "Oh, yeah, I've got a bug." Run! Escort! RUN!

Why do you think you can make an appointment, arrive, spend time showering, then in bed with the escort for $60? Run! Escort! RUN!

 

You made many mistakes before your attempt to short-change him his requested amount, an already discounted fee!

 

FYI, I'd have stood in the door, taken one look, handed him $200 and RUN!

 

Addition to post: After all, aren't we patrons funding our hires for time only?

Edited June 13, 2019 by instudiocity

[+ JEC]

Other mixed reviews on RM too including one taking money from a client using force. DANGER WILL ROBINSON.

[Frequentflier]

For many of the reasons already stated I think the OP handled this encounter wrong and there were signs he should have left long before the shower started. However, whether its a pellet gun, kitchen knife or other item employed as a weapon or to intimidate someone to do something its armed robbery and there's no excuse for that. Tony could, and maybe should have been arrested, had the OP called the police. I'll bet Tony has acted improperly before and is more likely than not to end up in jail and then prison. Someone who acted as he did is more likely than not a repeat offender.

 

Who among us hasn't been shorted some money more than once in their lifetime, whether in business or in our personal life? We don't like it but the remedy isn't violence. Don't do business with them again, small claims or regular court, collection agency, etc. Threatening violence is never right. Similar to so often we read or see people commit acts of road rage, stop a stranger walking down their street or into their condo/apt complex and "interrogate" them. We are not all members of law enforcement and its not everyone's job to enforce the laws or in particular (like road rage) become cop/prosecutor/judge/jury all in one.

[JayCeeKy]

Threatening violence is never right.

For many years I worked with guys coming out of state prison. Many of them are not really bad guys, just really, really poor problem-solvers. Frequentflier lists the various options that most of us would consider if we felt like we were cheated. For people like Tony, they immediately pull out a weapon as the only option in their limited arsenal of coping skills, along with incredibly poor impulse control. And then they end up in prison, rationalizing their behavior (as he did in his response to the Review), having learned nothing about how to deal with anger and impulse control.

[+ oldNbusted]

Direct link:

 

https://daddysreviews.com/review/tony_cuba_chicago

[rvwnsd]

I think the escort was being generous in stating he would accept half his fee. After all, the client chose to provide information about his status AFTER they were naked on the bed. That's not to say I condone the escort pulling a gun on said client, assuming he did that.

 

Based on the reply, the ad copy, and the answers to the interview questions I'm going to suggest that "verbal and written communications" are not among the escort's strongest skills.

[wooly]

I don't like the gun bit but I agree with rvwnsd. The reviewer was dishonest in not revealing his status before bedding the escort.

[+ Axiom2001]

I think the escort was being generous in stating he would accept half his fee. After all, the client chose to provide information about his status AFTER they were naked on the bed. That's not to say I condone the escort pulling a gun on said client, assuming he did that.

 

Based on the reply, the ad copy, and the answers to the interview questions I'm going to suggest that "verbal and written communications" are not among the escort's strongest skills.

I don't like the gun bit but I agree with rvwnsd. The reviewer was dishonest in not revealing his status before bedding the escort.

 

 

I read the op's concern and the remarks afterwards. I even went to handsome TonyCuba's one review at daddysreviews.com and perused the ones that are posted at RentMen, minus the narratives. His reviews on RM are all positive except for one, and from reading all that's posted about the situation-- I'll accept Tony's explanation. As far as a gun being drawn, that is something that I'll just have to keep thinking if it happened or not.

 

Far too many men who are paying for sex think that they can take advantage of escorts (male/female) because they're the ones forking out the money regardless of HIV status or anything else. If the client had wanted to be fucked--he should have provided condoms for the escort or not playing at all.

 

One time when my "go-to-guy" in San Francisco and I were together-- he cordially commented one night that "both of us want something from each other." It still resonates with me; I like. But that didn't mean that "ANYTHING GOES" regardless of the circumstances and desires and....

[+ Axiom2001]

Was anyone else alarmed by today's review of Tony Cuba? The reviewer stated that the escort pulled a gun on him when he didn't pay enough for backing out of the appointment. Now I realize that this is mostly a "He Said - He Said" situation, but in Tony's refute of the appointment, he never mentioned that the reviewer lied about the weapon. To me, the gun is the most egregious and scariest part of the encounter.

 

Has anyone else ever been assaulted in this way?

 

https://daddysreviews.com/cruise/2019-06-11

 

NO, I have never had any sort of weapon pulled on me. Thank goodness!

 

One time I had an appointment with a gorgeous escort. The man did not show up on time, so I rang him. He was at dinner in a restaurant with friends and relayed that he'll be a little late. Well, he was later than promised, appeared at my hotel and to my room (lookin' ever so desirable. He walked in a placed his helmet and leather jacket on chair. I said: "This is not happening," and some other words which I can't presently recall. The hottie replaced his jacket and helmet and left. I didn't feel bad at all as to what I did, for the on-the-spot cancellation was warranted! Just thought I'd relay.

[instudiocity]

What person holding a gun asking for menu would settle for just what he thought was owed instead of taking the entire contents of said wallet? Hypothetically, of course?

[LivingnLA]

For people like Tony, they immediately pull out a weapon as the only option in their limited arsenal of coping skills, along with incredibly poor impulse control. And then they end up in prison, rationalizing their behavior (as he did in his response to the Review), having learned nothing about how to deal with anger and impulse control.

 

One point to consider, if Tony grew up poor then he never even had the opportunity to learn the skills you seem to be taking for granted and may even be neurologically impaired when it comes to things like impulse control. A growing body of research on the lifelong impact of poverty is showing how poverty is a root issue underpinning many issues and problems in America and around the world.

 

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/129/1/e232

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-poverty-can-follow-children-into-adulthood/

 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-growing-up-in-poverty-may-affect-a-childs-developing-brain-180947832/

[Dtxstudfinder]

I had an experience with an escort where I showed up to his hotel room and made the mistake of walking in before I got a good look at him. Once I was in the room and saw him more clearly I told him I was sorry but I couldn't go through with it. He immediately deadbolted the door and grabbed the drink from my hand and said I had to pay him half. I told him he didn't look like his pictures and he threw my drink on me and grabbed my glasses and I had to give him $100 to get my glasses back. Then he harangued and harassed me via text until I blocked him.

[Dtxstudfinder]

I see he is on this board occasionally - jttorreto.

[JayCeeKy]

One point to consider, if Tony grew up poor then he never even had the opportunity to learn the skills you seem to be taking for granted and may even be neurologically impaired when it comes to things like impulse control.

Poverty and childhood adversity are certainly factors when speaking of criminal behaviors. I was not addressing those broader and more complicated issues. My comment was based simply on my anecdotal experience of working with guys coming out of state prison, i.e., that many of them were not horrible people, they just had a limited repertoire in dealing with the stresses of ordinary life. Example: most of us, when confronted with an angry landlord who is demanding rent payment, might consider asking friends/relatives for a loan, or might consider taking a second job. Many of the guys I worked with, when confronted with the same situation, would only see one alternative: burglarize a home. Similarly, many of these guys had very poor anger management skills: they would bop somebody in the nose within a second of a perceived insult or slight, not considering for a moment that it takes a bigger man to just walk away. I suspect that Tony might fall into this same category for, as someone has pointed out, he didn't actually rob the client, but merely demanded (in an extremely inappropriate way) that he receive the already-agreed-upon fee. I agree with you that many persons with limited coping skills likely have a high correlation with poverty and childhood deprivation, BUT there are also many persons (one of whom has a very high profile position in the federal government in D.C.) who have extremely poor coping skills and yet, come from backgrounds of privilege and wealth. Finally, my speculation about Tony is just that - speculation - he may have just have had a bad day, or maybe there were extenuating circumstances, or maybe the accusation about a gun being pulled is just plain bullshit invented by a client who was trying to justify his own extremely inappropriate behavior.

[allyouknow]

For many of the reasons already stated I think the OP handled this encounter wrong and there were signs he should have left long before the shower started. However, whether its a pellet gun, kitchen knife or other item employed as a weapon or to intimidate someone to do something its armed robbery and there's no excuse for that. Tony could, and maybe should have been arrested, had the OP called the police. I'll bet Tony has acted improperly before and is more likely than not to end up in jail and then prison. Someone who acted as he did is more likely than not a repeat offender.

 

Who among us hasn't been shorted some money more than once in their lifetime, whether in business or in our personal life? We don't like it but the remedy isn't violence. Don't do business with them again, small claims or regular court, collection agency, etc. Threatening violence is never right. Similar to so often we read or see people commit acts of road rage, stop a stranger walking down their street or into their condo/apt complex and "interrogate" them. We are not all members of law enforcement and its not everyone's job to enforce the laws or in particular (like road rage) become cop/prosecutor/judge/jury all in one.

this is sooo white.

[The Dude]

If clients apparently are obligated to disclose their status, shouldn’t escorts also have to?

[instudiocity]

If clients apparently are obligated to disclose their status, shouldn’t escorts also have to?

I'm unaware of any disclosure requirements on either party. Even if one were to disclose, isn't it just an historical fact that on the last date tested the subject was positive or negative or on PrEP with no detectable virus?

 

The rule of thumb is to always assume the worse on the part of both participants in said activities.

[The Dude]

I'm unaware of any disclosure requirements on either party.

Tony Cuba obviously thought this reviewer was required to.

[illhelpya]

If they discussed about having unprotected sex, they should have let their status known prior to agreeing on it.