Please join me in the voice for changes to Rentmen/RentMassuer

[Mocha]

I had previously posted this concern last year on a different site...however I got mixed opinions, and ultimately decided not to go forward with it.

 

However, I am now revisiting the concept and asking if other providers will be open to join in. Some of you may have seen me at the Palm Springs 2019 meet, so you know I’m legit.

 

Basically the proposal I’m asking is for RENTMEN/RENTMASSEUR to start making clients/viewers pay in the form of credits to view each of our private galleries, and for each time they view. This in turn could help us pay for our ads and other features such as platinum boosts, gold, video of the day, etc. This is a safe way to do it instead of transferring funds out for payment. An example (again, an example, don’t focus on the dollar amount): A client purchases $50 in credits and can view 10 private profiles. That’s $5 in credit a provider can use towards ad expenses. Over the course of a month, I have enough people viewing my private gallery, that my ad should pay for itself thru that, and not out of my client appointments.

 

For anyone who doesn’t know, a gold rentmen ad costs $80/month. A gold RentMasseur ad costs $40. Platinum boosts are $12 for each 12 hours. Or $24 for each full day.

 

The reason why I am protesting for change is because the amount of people viewing my private gallery and contacting me for appointment, versus the amount of clients that I actually get don’t add up. I’ll give an example of my latest tour between several cities on my way to the Palm Springs 2019 road trip event over the course of the past 2 weeks:

 

Starting from Kansas City:

 

Kansas City: 1 client from RentMassuer the week prior to my trip.

 

Tulsa, OK: 2 cancellations, 0 clients

 

Oklahoma City: 1 client, Rentmen

 

Albuquerque, NM: 2 cancels, 1 no show

 

Palm Springs: 2 clients over 4 days

 

Los Angeles: 1 regular, a couple no shows/cancels via Rentmen

 

Las Vegas: 1 client, a couple cancels/no shows

 

Albuquerque again: 2 cancellations, 1 regular

 

And after all this, BOTH of my ads are due again on the 28th. $120 total. I don’t even have $120 to my name until my next client. This is unacceptable.

 

So what I’m going to do until something changes, I taking all of my private photos off of RentMassuer and fully locking all of my private photos on RentMen, leaving only 3 photos on each site. I’ll be including a message that my private photos will no longer be available publicly, due to the increasing number of unkept appointments and no show clients.

 

I know people cite all the free material out on the internet, and that’s fine...but it doesn’t give a free pass that we shouldn’t receive anything for our presentations. So many clients contacting now are just unwavering, and they don’t want to follow booking procedures. Many don’t want to pay anything upfront, but yet they don’t see that I have to pay for my ads upfront, pay for hotels upfront because 95% of clients can’t host. They expect us to be able to have everything ready for them when they contact, but no real guarantee they’ll follow thru.

 

So I’m just asking if others could consider it as well because we need a change in this industry especially with Rentmen being the monopolizer on the internet sites.

[+ keroscenefire]

Rent.men just doesn't seem to be that great of a site for either providers or clients. That's why I think free services like DaddyReveiws are so valuable. We can just start going more and more through these web sites so we can cut out the expensive for providers and the fakery of the reviews from the client side.

 

Good luck with your boycott..hope it works out and I'm sure if enough providers join, it probably will.

[Mocha]

Rent.men just doesn't seem to be that great of a site for either providers or clients. That's why I think free services like DaddyReveiws are so valuable. We can just start going more and more through these web sites so we can cut out the expensive for providers and the fakery of the reviews from the client side.

 

Good luck with your boycott..hope it works out and I'm sure if enough providers join, it probably will.

 

Thanks for the input.

 

Just to be clear though: I’m not exactly advocating a boycott. I know for me and likely many others, The Rentmen enterprise is a steady stream of bookings. And I do applaud rentmen for what they’ve done as they’ve really stepped the game up from advertising platforms like men4rent and rentboy.

 

But what I am saying is, if clients are paying for memberships to view our private galleries, why aren’t we seeing any of the funds from that? I don’t want to have to WAIT until I get an ACTUAL in person meeting from rentmen in order to get paid. I need to be getting my ads paid for or seeing some money while it’s running.

 

I go thru my emails and see clients (or rather, “premium users”...no guarantee they are clients) who have seen my private gallery 2, 3, 4 times and never utter a word or express interest in an appointment. I’ll send a message, they’ll simply look at my gallery again and say nothing. Others will respond part of the time, but it doesn’t always lead to a booking.

 

I’m putting a stop to the nonsense today. I’ve moved majority of my pics to my FULL private gallery on rentmen, and deleted most of the private gallery on RentMasseur. I’ll still keep up more than 3 pics, as I don’t want to run off the genuine rentmen clients...but these other joker mother fuckers are going to need to show hard proof of wanting an appointment before I continue displaying free material.

[down_to_business]

I can't agree or disagree as I am not a Rentmen premium member, but, there would likely be consequences to messing with their revenue stream model. If "clients" were not able to see private content, they would be less likely to purchase a premium membership. If Rentmen sold less memberships, they would probably charge providers more for their ads.

I guess the question could be, would you be willing to pay 3X more for your ad so people couldn't view your gallery?

 

If I ever did purchase a membership on Rentmen (highly unlikely), you can bet that I would be looking left and right at private content of people whether or not I had any intention of hiring them... because I paid so I could do that.

 

In the end, you have to do what is right for you. If that means removing private content, by all means do so. I mean you definitely show enough in your ad for someone like me to be able to make the hiring decision without needing to view private content(clear face and body). There are a whole lot of providers, however, who do not. I also imagine that what someone needs to see to hire will vary by person.

[+ Coolwave35]

I’m a premium user and find the private content helpful in making my decisions. I hire 8-12 times per year. If I am moderately interested in an escort, and their gallery is locked, I won’t bother them for the password. I’ll only contact a pro if I’m ready to hire. I don’t kick the tires as I respect your time.

[MikeBiDude]

Didn’t massageM4M.com try and sell credits to clients/visitors to look at more explicit pics (and videos) of their masseur advertisers? We know what happened to that website, right? Gone! And gone well before the FOSTA/SESTA nonsense.

[SirBillybob]

Are not all ad platforms postmodern promotional pimps, grinning never smiling? Getting as much cut as possible? Holding registered mongers' personal details? Distancing from deal fallthroughs and offsetting providers' drought by casting the net to entice new added inventory? Ensuring enough pimp role sustainability, indirectly or directly penalizing workers, to adapt to profit ebb and flow?

 

Is pimping not the second oldest profession, with solidly anchored unalterable dynamics? [baby you know I love you, use you, and my job is to convince you I am the only choice.]

 

I am not miserly when I hire, and maybe pimps are sometimes necessary evil to that end (I spring for purchase via ad platforms less than 1% of trade), but no platform pimp will see a red cent from me. If that spills over punitively, sorry about that, but I cannot mitigate entrenched systemic ills and I waive ownership for flaky consumer wavering.

 

I realize there are very limited options, but if you want to have a broker with a conscience like in some other professions, don't have a MacDaddy helping to push your meat. Perhaps SESTA, certainly misguided overall, conceptually got it a teeny bit right and has underpinned the heft of related legislation with this inarguable reality.

Edited April 28, 2019 by SirBIllybob

[SirBillybob]

PS: Do the ad platforms prohibit your inclusion of a justforfans handle in your basic ad? Or can you privately send inquirers same, setting a low pricepoint? I believe it is easy for mongers to confine purchase to one month for each individual provider. How pimpy is justforfans in their cut? How viable might it be to level out profit?

[+ sniper]

I don't see them going for it as the most likely outcome of such a scenario is more work for them for less revenue for them. I'm not saying you don't have a point that you are providing content and they are making money off it. But that's their model.

If users had to pay each time to see albums, they'd likely just...look at fewer albums.

And there are likely a large number of users who join JUST to look at the pictures, so contacting people who viewed you, even multiple times, is probably a waste of your time.

[MiamiLooker]

http://thehumbleprogrammer.com/resources/shoot-yourself-in-the-foot/shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-fb.jpg

[hypothetically]

I had previously posted this concern last year on a different site...however I got mixed opinions, and ultimately decided not to go forward with it.

 

However, I am now revisiting the concept and asking if other providers will be open to join in. Some of you may have seen me at the Palm Springs 2019 meet, so you know I’m legit.

 

Basically the proposal I’m asking is for RENTMEN/RENTMASSEUR to start making clients/viewers pay in the form of credits to view each of our private galleries, and for each time they view. This in turn could help us pay for our ads and other features such as platinum boosts, gold, video of the day, etc. This is a safe way to do it instead of transferring funds out for payment. An example (again, an example, don’t focus on the dollar amount): A client purchases $50 in credits and can view 10 private profiles. That’s $5 in credit a provider can use towards ad expenses. Over the course of a month, I have enough people viewing my private gallery, that my ad should pay for itself thru that, and not out of my client appointments.

 

For anyone who doesn’t know, a gold rentmen ad costs $80/month. A gold RentMasseur ad costs $40. Platinum boosts are $12 for each 12 hours. Or $24 for each full day.

 

The reason why I am protesting for change is because the amount of people viewing my private gallery and contacting me for appointment, versus the amount of clients that I actually get don’t add up. I’ll give an example of my latest tour between several cities on my way to the Palm Springs 2019 road trip event over the course of the past 2 weeks:

 

Starting from Kansas City:

 

Kansas City: 1 client from RentMassuer the week prior to my trip.

 

Tulsa, OK: 2 cancellations, 0 clients

 

Oklahoma City: 1 client, Rentmen

 

Albuquerque, NM: 2 cancels, 1 no show

 

Palm Springs: 2 clients over 4 days

 

Los Angeles: 1 regular, a couple no shows/cancels via Rentmen

 

Las Vegas: 1 client, a couple cancels/no shows

 

Albuquerque again: 2 cancellations, 1 regular

 

And after all this, BOTH of my ads are due again on the 28th. $120 total. I don’t even have $120 to my name until my next client. This is unacceptable.

 

So what I’m going to do until something changes, I taking all of my private photos off of RentMassuer and fully locking all of my private photos on RentMen, leaving only 3 photos on each site. I’ll be including a message that my private photos will no longer be available publicly, due to the increasing number of unkept appointments and no show clients.

 

I know people cite all the free material out on the internet, and that’s fine...but it doesn’t give a free pass that we shouldn’t receive anything for our presentations. So many clients contacting now are just unwavering, and they don’t want to follow booking procedures. Many don’t want to pay anything upfront, but yet they don’t see that I have to pay for my ads upfront, pay for hotels upfront because 95% of clients can’t host. They expect us to be able to have everything ready for them when they contact, but no real guarantee they’ll follow thru.

 

So I’m just asking if others could consider it as well because we need a change in this industry especially with Rentmen being the monopolizer on the internet sites.

 

Providers didn’t stand behind your alleged previous attempt because trying to elicit a “protest” per one’s hustling shortcomings is, idk....ambitious. And this call to action is not coming from just anyone, but someone who has historically complained about escorting, every week, in some form or another...on a platform that is more clients than providers. You already aren’t exactly trying to build good rapport nor representing yourself in the best tone.

 

Interesting idea/concept...I suppose, but I still stand by feedback I’ve given to you previously that maybe escorting is not for you.

 

If you cannot afford your ad and are not breaking even, I think a less aggressive solution than “protesting” would be to downgrade. Escorting has expenses (ads included) just like any other freelancing profession, if the coin isn’t there then it must be something you’re doing. The systems (RentMen/RentMasseur) have flaws, yes. But don’t blame the systems for something that you simply may not be cut out for. I’m sorry but your request is whimsical, at best.

 

Mocha, I have no idea what you look like. You may very well be a beautiful man, but if I were a client and I had to hire you based solely on the content you’ve provided on this forum, a forum where clients pay very close attention to what you say up until the last period. Would I hire you? Absolutely not. You detest what you do.

Edited April 28, 2019 by hypothetically

[+ VictorPowers]

I’d like as much foot traffic as possible to my ad. A subscription service or credits to view my gallery will turn people away. If you’d like to window shop, I invite it. My gallery code is 5511

https://rent.men/VictorPowers/

[hypothetically]

I’d like as much foot traffic as possible to my ad. A subscription service or credits to view my gallery will turn people away. If you’d like to window shop, I invite it. My gallery code is 5511

https://rent.men/VictorPowers/

 

[maninsoma]

As a client, I wouldn't be inclined to pay to see someone's photos just to decide whether I want to hire him.

 

As a gay man who enjoys looking at photos and videos of hot men, there is so much content available online to view -- both free and paid -- that I don't see that requiring potential clients to pay to see photos makes sense.

 

If you can get a following of guys who want to pay to see you have sex (alone or with partners), then go the OnlyFans/JustForFans route and collect money for creating content. But if the idea is that you want people to hire you as an escort then you should be willing to provide whatever information those people need to make a decision. If it's a nuisance to respond to people's requests to access your private photos, you can simply either just have sufficient photos available for public view so there are no private photos or post the code in your ad if you want to continue to have private photos. I just think that potentially turning business away by going the route of paying to simply view photos wouldn't be good for providers in the long run.

[Mocha]

Thanks for everyone’s replies (except @hypothetically) whom I only mildly skimmed thru before I scrolled down due to his regularly condescending, passive aggressive, and belittling tone (and being I’m 6’2, you better be talking UP to me, not down) which I’ll ignore.

 

If @hypothetically truly wanted to advise me, or show me how much better than me he is, and how he does it better, he would have spent the money that I did to travel to the Palm Springs event (and earned all back) and addressed me personally, but considering the fact he didn’t...it’s irrelevant. And I’m not really obligated to address you any further.

 

And by the way, I earned the money to pay for my ad. I don’t have to lie to you...And detest what I do? You so wrong for that. That’s like saying a teacher hates his/her job just because he/she demands better pay, smaller class sizes, or kids who actually behave. No, that just means they want to be able to manage their workload and live comfortably. That’s all I’m asking for.

 

This an example of what’s wrong with Black America and “us” in the gay community in general. Some will tear down for attention and publicity. Pay no mind. Think the tragic story of Nipsey Hussle: Some of the biggest haters aren’t people outside our race.

 

That said: I decided regardless of whether anyone wants to join or not, I feel it’s better for me to keep my gallery locked for the specifications I listed. In fact, I’ve already met an additional 3 (SERIOUS) clients in the last 24 hours and it has already cut down on the endless nonsense texts.

 

I probably shouldn’t have said “protest”, as I’m not demanding rentmen do anything. But I am taking action, and it’s in a peaceful way. I’ll just keep my private gallery fully locked. They’re still there. But I’m only going to unlock them for people who have shown an interest in hiring me. Like @sniper said, some people are signing up specifically to only look at photos. Therefore, I don’t need to advertise to the whole world. I think clients probably respect that, and I think I’ll start seeing more respect from people once they see I’m not some free phone sex mofo to f**k around with lol.

 

The thing that really tripped me off was 2 people contacted me to host appointments the other day in a particular city, and when I tried to make arrangements to host them, they gave me some kind of “I’ll pass” reply because they didn’t want to prove they would show up. After that, I said F**K this...I don’t need to be showing my goodies to all these hardheaded, stubborn, unreliable people. I’m going to show them what I want them to see, when I want them to see it.

 

That said, I’ll keep my videos up. But for now, I’ll keep the pics private, and if someone has atleast the interest in booking, then I’ll unlock.

Edited April 29, 2019 by Mocha

[Dmitri]

Thanks for everyone’s replies (except @hypothetically whom I only mildly skimmed thru before I scrolled down due to his regularly condescending, passive aggressive, and belittling tone (and being I’m 6’2, you better be talking UP to me, not down) which I’ll ignore. If he truly wanted to address me, and show me how much better than me he is, and how he does it better, he would have spent the money that I did to travel to the Palm Springs and addressed me personally, but considering the fact he didn’t...it’s irrelevant. And I’m not really obligated to address you any further.

 

He’s an example of what’s wrong with Black America and “us” in the community in general. Some will tear down for attention and publicity. Pay no mind. Think the tragic story of Nipsey Hussle: Some of the biggest haters aren’t people outside our race.

 

That said: I decided regardless of whether anyone wants to join or not, I feel it’s better for me to keep my gallery locked for the specifications I listed. In fact, I’ve already met an additional 3 (SERIOUS) clients in the last 24 hours and it has already cut down on the endless nonsense texts.

 

I probably shouldn’t have said “protest”, as I’m not demanding rentmen do anything. But I am taking action, and it’s in a peaceful way. I’ll just keep my private gallery fully locked. They’re still there. But I’m only going to unlock them for people who have shown an interest in hiring me. Like @sniper said, some people are signing up specifically to only look at photos. Therefore, I don’t need to advertise to the whole world. I think clients probably respect that, and I think I’ll start seeing more respect from people once they see I’m not their fucking free phone sex mother fucker to fuck with lol.

 

The thing that really tripped me off was 2 people contacted me to host appointments the other day in a particular city, and when I tried to make arrangements to host them, they gave me some kind of “I’ll pass” reply because they didn’t want to prove they would show up. After that, I said FUCK this...I don’t need to be showing my goodies to all these hardheaded, stubborn, unreliable ass people. I’m going to show them what I want them to see, when I want them to see it.

 

That said, I’ll keep my videos up. But for now, I’ll keep the pics private, and if someone has atleast the interest in booking, then I’ll unlock.

 

 

Would like to check out your ad. You sound interesting What is the link?

[Mocha]

I’d like as much foot traffic as possible to my ad. A subscription service or credits to view my gallery will turn people away. If you’d like to window shop, I invite it. My gallery code is 5511

https://rent.men/VictorPowers/

 

All the premium users on rentmen are paying a subscription.

 

And, again...I’m not suggesting a straight up pay per profile type of viewing. But we need to not settle for less. And we’re settling for less. What’s the point of having a private gallery, if people can barge in and see anytime? I imagine some people will have jerked off 100 times before even handing over a dime.

 

If Rentmen doesn’t make the change, it might as well be the escort version of Scruff’s “most woofs”. I don’t pay $80 a month plus $12x4 a month to be “woofed” at and deal with the same shenanigans.

 

What I am saying is, the credits can still be kept internally. I’m not even asking for money from rentmen. But why aren’t escorts earning points toward ad upgrades/etc. for their private gallery pics being looked at? Even if a client only pays $10 to be a premium user, that can still translate to something.

 

Would like to check out your ad. You sound interesting What is the link?

 

I don’t post links here....you can message me though.

[Mocha]

I’d like as much foot traffic as possible to my ad. A subscription service or credits to view my gallery will turn people away. If you’d like to window shop, I invite it. My gallery code is 5511

https://rent.men/VictorPowers/

 

All the premium users on rentmen are paying a subscription.

 

And, again...I’m not suggesting a straight up pay per profile type of viewing. But we need to not settle for less. And we’re settling for less. What’s the point of having a private gallery, if people can barge in and see anytime? I imagine some people will have jerked off 100 times before even handing over a dime.

 

If Rentmen doesn’t make the change, it might as well be the escort version of Scruff’s “most woofs”. I don’t pay $80 a month plus $12x4 a month to be “woofed” at and deal with the same shenanigans.

 

What I am saying is, the credits can still be kept internally. I’m not even asking for money from rentmen. But why aren’t escorts earning points toward ad upgrades/etc. for their private gallery pics being looked at? Even if a client only pays $10 to be a premium user, that can still translate to something.

 

Would like to check out your ad. You sound interesting What is the link?

 

I don’t post links here....you can message me though.

[Mocha]

. Would I hire you? Absolutely not. You detest what you do.

 

Do you REALLY think I’m sitting around here, patiently waiting for you to hire me...when I literally just had a fine ass guy your age ask to marry me and gave me his kids, and I’ve had enough clients in the past 48 hours to where I can literally just go home and rest for 2 weeks? Get over your mother’s front attic (trying to remain censored here, but you pushing it).

 

And one more thing: Going back to that one thread I made about sociopaths. Coincidence ?

 

Psychology today: How to Spot a sociopath in 3 easy steps.

 

No one will ever hire you! No one will ever want you! I own you! I will destroy you!

[Mocha]

. Would I hire you? Absolutely not. You detest what you do.

 

Do you REALLY think I’m sitting around here, patiently waiting for you to hire me...when I literally just had a fine ass guy your age ask to marry me and gave me his kids, and I’ve had enough clients in the past 48 hours to where I can literally just go home and rest for 2 weeks? Get over your mother’s front attic (trying to remain censored here, but you pushing it).

 

And one more thing: Going back to that one thread I made about sociopaths. Coincidence ?

 

Psychology today: How to Spot a sociopath in 3 easy steps.

 

No one will ever hire you! No one will ever want you! I own you! I will destroy you!

[+ VictorPowers]

@Mocha There will always be Lookie Lous and those that never Intend to hire. There’s no getting around this. Nickel and Diming potential clients to view your gallery just doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Alternatively, you could charge when you receive a gallery code request. We do not need to band together to have you do that on your own.

[+ VictorPowers]

@Mocha There will always be Lookie Lous and those that never Intend to hire. There’s no getting around this. Nickel and Diming potential clients to view your gallery just doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Alternatively, you could charge when you receive a gallery code request. We do not need to band together to have you do that on your own.

[Mocha]

@Mocha There will always be Lookie Lous and those that never Intend to hire. There’s no getting around this. Nickel and Diming potential clients to view your gallery just doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Alternatively, you could charge when you receive a gallery code request. We do not need to band together to have you do that on your own.

 

You are right. It’s your body. It’s my body. If you want to plaster it all over Times Square New York, by all means. If someone wants to actually get paid for it, just like these NFL players do when they pose nude...by all means too.

 

But at the least I can do is mitigate it. I’ve been dealing with way too many BSers over the past few weeks and months to hesistate any further. It’s not nickel and diming, and in fact I put in my ad that I’ll open it if someone SCHEDULES AN APPOINTMENT (because too many people have their heads up their asses and don’t seem to think when you text a provider back and forth and make plans, they are making an apppointment). So now, they can’t play dumb and say they didn’t make an appointment, because they’re not getting the code, unless they have an appointment. Period.

 

Also, I actually have had a couple of people cash app me for looking at my private gallery pics. It’s just at the time, I was in between on how much I wanted to show, etc.

 

This time, I’m serious. I may occasionally slip out 1 dick pic here and there, but not much more than that. And at this point I’ve gained enough reviews on the site to where I can afford to try something new.

[Mocha]

@Mocha There will always be Lookie Lous and those that never Intend to hire. There’s no getting around this. Nickel and Diming potential clients to view your gallery just doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Alternatively, you could charge when you receive a gallery code request. We do not need to band together to have you do that on your own.

 

You are right. It’s your body. It’s my body. If you want to plaster it all over Times Square New York, by all means. If someone wants to actually get paid for it, just like these NFL players do when they pose nude...by all means too.

 

But at the least I can do is mitigate it. I’ve been dealing with way too many BSers over the past few weeks and months to hesistate any further. It’s not nickel and diming, and in fact I put in my ad that I’ll open it if someone SCHEDULES AN APPOINTMENT (because too many people have their heads up their asses and don’t seem to think when you text a provider back and forth and make plans, they are making an apppointment). So now, they can’t play dumb and say they didn’t make an appointment, because they’re not getting the code, unless they have an appointment. Period.

 

Also, I actually have had a couple of people cash app me for looking at my private gallery pics. It’s just at the time, I was in between on how much I wanted to show, etc.

 

This time, I’m serious. I may occasionally slip out 1 dick pic here and there, but not much more than that. And at this point I’ve gained enough reviews on the site to where I can afford to try something new.

[+ VictorPowers]

I think you should go for it. This may be another source of revenue for you. Test it out and see how it goes?