Would you like to have an agent?

[marylander1940]

Problem is the bitches don't have pimps.

 

Seriously, in Europe because few escorts speak English or other clients' languages they have to have "agents". Latin friends of mine in the US also have agents because of language. It is amazing how much easier it is. The provider makes much more money because they have a professional answering texts and scheduling while they can be performing other, more valuable services. A $300/hr sex provider has no business doing $12/hr secretarial work. And even if it causes him to lose even one client a week that's more than an agent would cost.

 

When my Argentine partner visits and works out of my guest house we talk all day. In the morning his agent texts his schedule of clients so far for the day so he can plan any free time. Later the agent texts additional evening add-ons. He also texts when the client is outside at the meeting point. If he wants the day or part day off he texts so to the agent. He would never in a million years pull his phone out in front of a client. That is awful. He says he gets twice as many clients than handling it himself for which he pays a discounted 10%. (Volume, he's hot). Most pay 15%. That's of base, not tips or add-ons and he's a masseur so there's a lot of add-ons.

 

From a client's viewpoint it's great because you get quick responses and prompt scheduling. Like scheduling a dental cleaning. Unfortunately you think you're chatting with the provider but there's rarely misinformation as to services. They even know the extra charges. The only complaints from providers is when their agents are not doing their job well enough. But they'd never consider doing that secretarial work themselves. Just like a $300/hr professional wouldn't handle their own phones and scheduling.

 

I have no idea why only latino providers seeem to use agents in the US. Getting responses even from repeat providers is like pulling teeth. It's awful.

 

I'm going to put your excellent argument on here to start this conversation.

[+ tassojunior]

I'm going to put your excellent argument on here to start this conversation.

 

There is a thread already.

[marylander1940]

There is a thread already.

 

Where? Not on here.

[FTM Zachary Prince]

No. I require absolute control over who is granted a session with me and who is declined one.

 

But I totally understand why having an agent is appealing to some people.

 

The take in the OP is not an excellent argument. It is an ignorant one that misses many key points about why most escorts in the US do not use agents.

 

First of all, agents in the US do not charge 10-15%. Almost no agent in existence in the US offers more than a 50% cut, especially in the case where they handle not only your advertising but also your bookings/scheduling and client arrival communications.

 

2nd, AUTONOMY. Agents are greedy and want to fill an escort’s schedule regardless of whether the client sounds nice or sounds pushy and possibly disrespectful. The agent doesn’t have to be in the room with the client. Escorts develop an important, protective sense of intuition when handling our own bookings that allows us to identify and decline most abusive varieties of clients in advance.

 

3rd, the distinction made between $300/hr escort labor and $12/hr secretarial labor is a totally false distinction. $300/hr is merely a billable rate. Not the actual value of an hour of the professional’s labor. That value is simply a client-facing numerical value. There is absolutely no standard correlation between that number and the amount of money that an escort is compensated per hour of his work. Do not analyse it as such. It renders your argument baseless. Escorts have nearly uncountable variety of various types of unbillable labor that also need to be factored into your math to even attempt to come up with an hourly rate. Let me save you the suspense... it’s nowhere near $300 an hour that we earn after all is said and done.

 

I’m not trying to attack or abuse the author of the quoted OP here. Just not interested in seeing this heralded as some kind of excellent argument when it’s not one.

[Quincy_7]

If someone from the third world is escorting in Europe or North America with a pimp, let's be honest, agent is a euphemism, I'm immediately going to start wondering if they're being trafficked. This literally happened with Brazilian escorts in Spain a few years ago.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/7974007/Spain-breaks-up-male-prostitute-trafficking-ring.html

[marylander1940]

If someone from the third world is escorting in Europe or North America with a pimp, let's be honest, agent is a euphemism, I'm immediately going to start wondering if they're being trafficked. This literally happened with Brazilian escorts in Spain a few years ago.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/7974007/Spain-breaks-up-male-prostitute-trafficking-ring.html

 

And it was a South American member or the forum who suggested this because successful escorts (friends of him) have 5 or 6 guys per day and they don't have time to answer texts or phone calls.

 

There have been some complaints about escorts who don't speak good English, or have a strong accent... I remember how Peter from Montreal improved his English within a year of him starting escorting. It takes an effort no doubt, but is not rocket science but at least our language is not as complex when it comes to verbs like Spanish or French.

[+ MasssageGuy]

Documentary Reveals The 'Secret History' Of Hollywood Pimp Scotty Bowers

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/02/634900994/documentary-reveals-the-secret-history-of-hollywood-pimp-scotty-bowers

[LoveNDino]

[+ tassojunior]

As opposed to a pimp, an agent is a secretarial service who has rarely ever met the provider.

 

In Europe because of language differences, many providers have agents. In Prague there is one who handles maybe the top quarter of all guys and the guys are much more successful because he does their scheduling. He charges a flat 10%. Many of us are familiar with him and both the guys and us complain when he is not doing his job well, but the ones who don't use him are like Americans: nearly impossible to communicate with.

 

Providers in the US who speak little or no English use agents fairly often. Latin friends in South Florida use the same one who has been referred by word-of-mouth from others. Their inquiries are answered promptly and politely and scheduling is easy and efficient. They get twice as many clients as they would otherwise even if they spoke English. Depending on how popular they are they pay from 10%-15%. Even if they were fluent in English they say they would never do without an agent for scheduling.

 

There are a few providers who handle their scheduling well. Very few. Even if they're super intelligent they are often busy. It's like a dentist trying to schedule their own appointments and having to constantly get on their phone while at work. Or just not answering.

[marylander1940]

As opposed to a pimp, an agent is a secretarial service who has rarely ever met the provider..

 

The difference is in the eyes of the beholder.

 

In Uruguay prostitution is legal but having an agent sending you here and there or charging you a commission to use his place is illegal.

 

In Europe because of language differences, many providers have agents. In Prague there is one who handles maybe the top quarter of all guys and the guys are much more successful because he does their scheduling. Many of us are familiar with him and both the guys and us complain when he is not doing his job well, but the ones who don't use him are like Americans: nearly impossible to communicate with. .

 

In most European countries prostitution is legal including brothels, in others is not legal.

 

 

"The top quarter of guys". I might like guys you don't like. How can you point at some gays and say they're the most wanted/hired/successful escorts in one city? How can you collect the date to determine that?

 

I never read a review on here starting with "his agent made plans for my meeting with XXX".

 

I'm not saying what you say it's not true, maybe in Prague is done that way. Here there was an agency called "DC boys" and another one called "Top referrals" but I'm talking about early 2000, a time when cellphones weren't as common.

 

When you say most folks do this or that I would take your word with caution. You have some perception issues when it comes to reality: urban decay all over the U.S.A., some folks from one tiny country in the Middle East being the most hatred folks in the world, etc. When you talk about a friend of yours you remind me of Trump telling a story.

 

Providers in the US who speak little or no English use agents fairly often. Latin friends in South Florida use the same one who has been referred by word-of-mouth from others. Their inquiries are answered promptly and politely and scheduling is easy and efficient. They get twice as many clients as they would otherwise even if they spoke English. Depending on how popular they are they pay from 10%-15%. Even if they were fluent in English they say they would never do without an agent for scheduling. .

 

Those providers can learn English. If someone from South America was able to get a visa to come over here he certainly didn't come out of a "villa miseria" (shanty town) in Buenos Aires, a "cantegril" in Montevideo or a "favela" in the 'morros' (hills) of Rio. If he had some High School I'm sure he speaks some basic English. Besides he prepared himself for his trip and made an effort to learn some useful words. Reading/writing a language is easier than speaking it and understanding it from a native speaker, most communications now a days is done by text.

 

There are a few providers who handle their scheduling well. Very few. Even if they're super intelligent they are often busy. It's like a dentist trying to schedule their own appointments and having to constantly get on their phone while at work. Or just not answering.

 

You don't need to super intelligent to write down you'll have someone on Saturday at 2, if someone calls and ask for 3 PM that same day you can always suggest: "What about 3:30 or 4?" You sound a little bit condescending on this matter.

[MikeBiDude]

The difference is in the eyes of the beholder.

Back in the day of more USA agencies - I doubt any of us would call Dave (he was a contributor to the forum) of Man for Man Escorts a “pimp”. Neither Premier Esorts owner, or the popular NYC agency (name anyone?)

[marylander1940]

Back in the day of more USA agencies - I doubt any of us would call Dave (he was a contributor to the forum) of Man for Man Escorts a “pimp”. Neither Premier Esorts owner, or the popular NYC agency (name anyone?)

 

It was a great business model yet one thing is as an escort using an agency in the early 2000 and something different would be having an agent now. Maybe folks in Prague are just backwards or folks don't have phones

[+ bigjoey]

Back in the day of more USA agencies - I doubt any of us would call Dave (he was a contributor to the forum) of Man for Man Escorts a “pimp”. Neither Premier Esorts owner, or the popular NYC agency (name anyone?)

Maximum

[+ bigjoey]

Documentary Reveals The 'Secret History' Of Hollywood Pimp Scotty Bowers

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/02/634900994/documentary-reveals-the-secret-history-of-hollywood-pimp-scotty-bowers

Saw it last week. Lots of fun. Not for young viewers who I believe will not know the people involved but for us “older” folks, I recommend it.

[MikeBiDude]

Maximum

That’s it!! Was my guess too but I wanted to be accurate.

[MikeBiDude]

It was a great business model yet one thing is as an escort using an agency in the early 2000 and something different would be having an agent now. Maybe folks in Prague are just backwards or folks don't have phones

I think @tassojunior comments about language barriers is valid. It’s one thing to get past language once you’re in the hotel room and ogling each other Quite another thing to talk on phone (very difficult), negotiate, get directions/instructions, etc.

[marylander1940]

I think @tassojunior comments about language barriers is valid. It’s one thing to get past language once you’re in the hotel room and ogling each other Quite another thing to talk on phone (very difficult), negotiate, get directions/instructions, etc.

 

Would you recommend an escort to get an agent because of that?

 

Have you ever (in recent years) hire someone through an agent?

[MikeBiDude]

Would you recommend an escort to get an agent because of that?

If language was a barrier, overseas- yes. In the USA probably not.

 

Have you ever (in recent years) hire someone through an agent?

Not in maybe 20+ years, lol! But I did use them on occasion before internet/online wiped out the business model. Met a few guys I never would have had access to without their agent.

[MikeBiDude]

Have you ever (in recent years) hire someone through an agent?

One of my “Fine”est via an agency

Edited August 17, 2018 by MikeBiDude

[+ tassojunior]

It was a great business model yet one thing is as an escort using an agency in the early 2000 and something different would be having an agent now. Maybe folks in Prague are just backwards or folks don't have phones

 

Czechs do not speak English, or Spanish, or German, or French, or Italian. They speak Czech and many of the guys only speak Czech. Those guys have to have an agent because 90% of customers don't speak Czech. Many of the guys who work in Zurich do not speak German. Your phone does you no good when you speak different languages only and Google Translate is horrible in Czech. My good friend "Roald Ekberg" on Bel Ami, speaks zero besides Czech and just split from the agent. Guys who are visiting Prague or Zurich are having a terrible time getting any response from him now.

Edited August 17, 2018 by tassojunior

[+ tassojunior]

If language was a barrier, overseas- yes. In the USA probably not.

 

 

Not in maybe 20+ years, lol! But I did use them on occasion before internet/online wiped out the business model. Met a few guys I never would have had access to without their agent.

 

An agent rarely tells you they're an agent and not the person. This leads to some problems sometimes but that's the way they do it.

[+ tassojunior]

[quote=In most European countries prostitution is legal including brothels, in others is not legal.

 

 

"The top quarter of guys". I might like guys you don't like. How can you point at some gays and say they're the most wanted/hired/successful escorts in one city? How can you collect the date to determine that?

 

I never read a review on here starting with "his agent made plans for my meeting with XXX".

 

I'm not saying what you say it's not true, maybe in Prague is done that way. Here there was an agency called "DC boys" and another one called "Top referrals" but I'm talking about early 2000, a time when cellphones weren't as common.

 

When you say most folks do this or that I would take your word with caution. You have some perception issues when it comes to reality: urban decay all over the U.S.A., some folks from one tiny country in the Middle East being the most hatred folks in the world, etc. When you talk about a friend of yours you remind me of Trump telling a story.

 

 

 

Those providers can learn English. If someone from South America was able to get a visa to come over here he certainly didn't come out of a "villa miseria" (shanty town) in Buenos Aires, a "cantegril" in Montevideo or a "favela" in the 'morros' (hills) of Rio. If he had some High School I'm sure he speaks some basic English. Besides he prepared himself for his trip and made an effort to learn some useful words. Reading/writing a language is easier than speaking it and understanding it from a native speaker, most communications now a days is done by text.

 

 

 

You don't need to super intelligent to write down you'll have someone on Saturday at 2, if someone calls and ask for 3 PM that same day you can always suggest: "What about 3:30 or 4?" You sound a little bit condescending on this matter.

 

Those of us who go to Prague or even Europe know who the top Czech guys are pretty easily. It's something you know nothing about, as usual, but want to have an opinion. In your charactisticly obnoxious way. Your posting threads about me every other day is infantile. Get a life.

Edited August 17, 2018 by tassojunior

[marylander1940]

Czechs do not speak English, or Spanish, or German, or French, or Italian. They speak Czech and many of the guys only speak Czech. Those guys have to have an agent because 90% of customers don't speak Czech. Many of the guys who work in Zurich do not speak German. Your phone does you no good when you speak different languages only and Google Translate is horrible in Czech.

 

I'm aware of that... and that's a fact I would believe even if you say it.

 

Let's say that we both agree having an agent if you travel to Prague is a good thing.

Edited August 17, 2018 by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

Those of us who go to Prague or even Europe know who the top Czech guys are pretty easily. It's something you know nothing about, as usual, but want to have an opinion. In your charactisticly obnoxious way. Your posting threads about me every other day is infantile. Get a life.

 

No need for name calling, keep it classy if you can. don't go Trumpian.

 

and you know everything about that and more. Pardon me, I'm reading your post while avoiding human feces and the smell of urine in the urban decay that is Washington DC.

[+ tassojunior]

No need for name calling, keep it classy if you can. don't go Trumpian.

 

and you know everything about that and more. Pardon me, I'm reading your post while avoiding human feces and the smell of urine in the urban decay that is Washington DC.

 

Posting threads with my name in the title every few days is not just childish, it's bizarre.