Swazca

He certainly was discussed and not in a good way either. 

As I have said on other threads before... I seriously wish that "escort" masseurs would simply post up on Rent.men instead of RM and MF.  The first thing I look at is the rates they are charging.  When it says "ask me" that's a hard pass instantly, because 9 out of 10 you go to the reviews (if there are any) and they have $300+ for 60-minutes in their reviews.  
I have been lucky enough to find a couple of legit masseurs in the Phoenix area, one of which has recently thrown in the towel and stopped doing massage.  The one who threw in the towel was simply tired of clients pushing his limits in wanting more of an escort session at masseur rates.  
I will say that I have seen in the last three years a wave of new "masseurs" enter the market along with the "travelers" that have increased the prices.  I attribute slight increases to the economy, that's a given; but having a standard baseline at $200 for 60 has me rarely hiring new guys.  
 

As I have said on other threads before... I seriously wish that "escort" masseurs would simply post up on Rent.men instead of RM and MF.  The first thing I look at is the rates they are charging.  When it says "ask me" that's a hard pass instantly, because 9 out of 10 you go to the reviews (if there are any) and they have $300+ for 60-minutes in their reviews.  
I have been lucky enough to find a couple of legit masseurs in the Phoenix area, one of which has recently thrown in the towel and stopped doing massage.  The one who threw in the towel was simply tired of clients pushing his limits in wanting more of an escort session at masseur rates.  
I will say that I have seen in the last three years a wave of new "masseurs" enter the market along with the "travelers" that have increased the prices.  I attribute slight increases to the economy, that's a given; but having a standard baseline at $200 for 60 has me rarely hiring new guys.  
 

As I have said on other threads before... I seriously wish that "escort" masseurs would simply post up on Rent.men instead of RM and MF.  The first thing I look at is the rates they are charging.  When it says "ask me" that's a hard pass instantly, because 9 out of 10 you go to the reviews (if there are any) and they have $300+ for 60-minutes in their reviews.  
I have been lucky enough to find a couple of legit masseurs in the Phoenix area, one of which has recently thrown in the towel and stopped doing massage.  The one who threw in the towel was simply tired of clients pushing his limits in wanting more of an escort session at masseur rates.  
I will say that I have seen in the last three years a wave of new "masseurs" enter the market along with the "travelers" that have increased the prices.  I attribute slight increases to the economy, that's a given; but having a standard baseline at $200 for 60 has me rarely hiring new guys.  
 

As I have said on other threads before... I seriously wish that "escort" masseurs would simply post up on Rent.men instead of RM and MF.  The first thing I look at is the rates they are charging.  When it says "ask me" that's a hard pass instantly, because 9 out of 10 you go to the reviews (if there are any) and they have $300+ for 60-minutes in their reviews.  
I have been lucky enough to find a couple of legit masseurs in the Phoenix area, one of which has recently thrown in the towel and stopped doing massage.  The one who threw in the towel was simply tired of clients pushing his limits in wanting more of an escort session at masseur rates.  
I will say that I have seen in the last three years a wave of new "masseurs" enter the market along with the "travelers" that have increased the prices.  I attribute slight increases to the economy, that's a given; but having a standard baseline at $200 for 60 has me rarely hiring new guys.  
 

I’ve recently made the switch from hiring off of MF/RM and started to scope out local establishments and independent providers instead. Talent started to dry up on the main websites and I was getting tired of overpriced and unskilled guys.
I’ve had a decent amount of luck just going with the flow and it leading to more with about a 60% - 70% success rate and learned a few things along the way.
1. A Google/Yelp search for male massage therapists was helpful in first finding independent therapists. Social media searches can be helpful too.
2. When possible I cross referenced online to see if I could find any social media that led me to see if they were on the same team as me and surprisingly that was usually pretty easy to confirm - I found this to obviously increase chances of something going further. It’s obviously much less likely from a “straight” provider but I can’t say it’s never happened before.
3. I never directly ask beforehand or during but instead just let it progress - there are ways to give subtle clues without being obvious and I’ve found this to actually be more stimulating for me and to limit the risk of crossing the line and being turned down.
4. Soothe/Zeel is much more hit or miss and again I’ve never flat out asked because I understand the risk - I’ve just let it progress and if it goes there it does. My success rate via these apps is much lower, probably in the 30% range but I’ve found this to increase with repeat visits.
I find this whole thing much more enjoyable than using the sites as there’s the unknown of what will happen which makes it more enticing.
My last hire was in Phoenix on a work trip and it worked out really well. I’m also decently hung which has been helpful here too 😂.

Any of you doing more of this and less of the main websites?
(Also, to be clear I’m not discussing any of the places and/or names here. This post is more about understanding people’s views on this topic and the approach rather than anything else.)

Booked him in Phoenix today for him to tell me on arrival that he has to cut my 60-min to 40-min but I still owe his full hour rate.  Like seriously!? If you can’t schedule properly  then don’t bother telling me you’re available at all… SMH!  Probably dodged a bullet on this one anyway. 

Booked him in Phoenix today for him to tell me on arrival that he has to cut my 60-min to 40-min but I still owe his full hour rate.  Like seriously!? If you can’t schedule properly  then don’t bother telling me you’re available at all… SMH!  Probably dodged a bullet on this one anyway. 

Ads like this are the reason why the market is flooded with “Escort Masseurs” that think just a brief rub and tug are the basis for earning $280 an hour at less than an hour of service.  Seriously, just post a Rent.men ad only!  
 
I’ve said in other threads I hold the line at $140 for 90 mins (max) and I find legitimate masseurs that do that job well.  If I want sex that’s what Grindr is for!  I blame the users who love to boast in their reviews that they had a “spectacular service” from these Escorts and paid high dollar.  Whoopty do!!!  You spent $380 on Rentmasseur to get jacked off, let’s get you a medal. 

I was recently visiting the Tempe, AZ, area when Ryan also came to the ASU campus. The building he’s staying in has a Whole Foods on the ground floor, so he advised me to park in their parking garage. This got everything off on the wrong foot, as a security guard who was patrolling the parking area came over and made sure that I went down to the store. Meanwhile, Ryan was trying to find out where I was and how/where to find me. Consequently, I was late for my appointment.
Anyway, I agree with others who found his massage somewhat mechanical. There were no “sensual” touches, no interaction that I was expecting from the “mutual touch OK” line in his ad. There was no massaging after I turned over onto my back; just an awkward attempt at a happy ending which really wasn’t very happy. Then: get off the table, get dressed, get out. I didn’t mind that his face and physique are larger and thicker than in his photos (‘roids?), but overall I was disappointed with the experience and definitely wouldn’t repeat.

So it's $300 for an hour and you get a massage with a HE, that's his price because "quality is expensive." 
I asked if he had extensive massage experience since he's offering such a wonderful session and his reply was: quality is my look 🙄
I'm starting to get really annoyed with rentmasseur blurring the lines between them and rentmen.

I’m chiming in for the mere fact that it’s okay for you to attack users like me in other threads, post incoherent babble and then post your attempts at scheduling but you never actually used their service.  When we all question you or respond then it’s called ‘vicious’ attacks on you.  We point out the obvious to you because this is in fact a forum — for ‘discussion.’  

I’m chiming in for the mere fact that it’s okay for you to attack users like me in other threads, post incoherent babble and then post your attempts at scheduling but you never actually used their service.  When we all question you or respond then it’s called ‘vicious’ attacks on you.  We point out the obvious to you because this is in fact a forum — for ‘discussion.’  

I’m chiming in for the mere fact that it’s okay for you to attack users like me in other threads, post incoherent babble and then post your attempts at scheduling but you never actually used their service.  When we all question you or respond then it’s called ‘vicious’ attacks on you.  We point out the obvious to you because this is in fact a forum — for ‘discussion.’  

I’m chiming in for the mere fact that it’s okay for you to attack users like me in other threads, post incoherent babble and then post your attempts at scheduling but you never actually used their service.  When we all question you or respond then it’s called ‘vicious’ attacks on you.  We point out the obvious to you because this is in fact a forum — for ‘discussion.’  

I’m chiming in for the mere fact that it’s okay for you to attack users like me in other threads, post incoherent babble and then post your attempts at scheduling but you never actually used their service.  When we all question you or respond then it’s called ‘vicious’ attacks on you.  We point out the obvious to you because this is in fact a forum — for ‘discussion.’  

I’m chiming in for the mere fact that it’s okay for you to attack users like me in other threads, post incoherent babble and then post your attempts at scheduling but you never actually used their service.  When we all question you or respond then it’s called ‘vicious’ attacks on you.  We point out the obvious to you because this is in fact a forum — for ‘discussion.’  

I’m chiming in for the mere fact that it’s okay for you to attack users like me in other threads, post incoherent babble and then post your attempts at scheduling but you never actually used their service.  When we all question you or respond then it’s called ‘vicious’ attacks on you.  We point out the obvious to you because this is in fact a forum — for ‘discussion.’  

I’m chiming in for the mere fact that it’s okay for you to attack users like me in other threads, post incoherent babble and then post your attempts at scheduling but you never actually used their service.  When we all question you or respond then it’s called ‘vicious’ attacks on you.  We point out the obvious to you because this is in fact a forum — for ‘discussion.’  

Based upon the incoherent babbling, my commentary certainly got under your skin.  Perhaps a little less "Crystal" and Escorts and you'll be able to write a clear sentence.  

Ads like this are the reason why the market is flooded with “Escort Masseurs” that think just a brief rub and tug are the basis for earning $280 an hour at less than an hour of service.  Seriously, just post a Rent.men ad only!  
 
I’ve said in other threads I hold the line at $140 for 90 mins (max) and I find legitimate masseurs that do that job well.  If I want sex that’s what Grindr is for!  I blame the users who love to boast in their reviews that they had a “spectacular service” from these Escorts and paid high dollar.  Whoopty do!!!  You spent $380 on Rentmasseur to get jacked off, let’s get you a medal. 

Now you made it sound like he just murdered someone 

I definitely spoke some truth in this matter.  Drug-fueled incoherent responses.

Seeing rates at 300,400 even 500 - NO WAY its a massage. Why cant those stick to RentMen site as they are clearly escort-is