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I unfortunately had a bad experience with him. Him and I chatted and setup a time and when the time came… he totally ghosted me and never replied. YMMV of course but not even a “sorry can’t make it” just radio silence. TBH I’ve seen him at some of these leather parties around town (eg Tuff) and he’s always on something. Anyways. Hope OP can get sometime with him but I wouldn’t after being ghosted last minute

Depends on what they like other than 'kinky push the limits session'. Younger? Older? Muscular? Twink? Big dick? like, we need more info for recommendations

90% of the providers I've hung out with take mostly online payments. Zelle, Venmo, Cashapp... Very rarely do they ask for acsh

I'm interested in knowing about his performance as a Top. He is now advertising as a 'Dom Top' but as someone else said on this thread all I've seen of him on the apps and on the usual sex parties around LA is that he's a power bttm (which is great, power to him) but IDK if this 'Dom Top' persona is more like 'Power Bttm with a bottle of Viagra'

I'd love to meet him but I'm in LA and dont' think he sees people in LA

Yep pretty much the quality isn't there in LA for the most part for what I'm into. I KNOW there are some really good guys, and some who even browse these forums but are not my type. Unfortunately those who end up being my type show up high as fuck, can't perform or just ghost/no show. So when I saw this provider in NY and had a mindblowing time I had no qualms in flying him to LA.

Met up with him a few days ago. He IS currently getting off a bulk season so while he's still muscular he is not as ripped as the photos are, I don't mind because I know what a cut/bulk cycle is and he's definitely gotten bigger muscle wise. He's a nice guy with a hot cock but I won't repeat, I have a list of things I'm into and when a provider says no to more than 2 or 3 that's a no for me: he doesn't kiss/make out, he doesn't rim nor he does BB. I'm fine if the provider doesn't do one, MAYBE two of these but when it's a list of "no I don't do that" then I won't repeat. Again, super nice guy and great body but the 'No's for me outweighed the hot time and I won't repeat.

Yeah. I've tried locally in LA and the quality leaves a lot to be desired. On a trip to NY I met a provider that delivered on everything to the T and more so I suggested he come to LA and I flew him from NY to LA on Business and put him on a hotel in Beverly Hills for a few days and we had an overnight and a few sessions while he was here. So yes, some of us do for quality providers. As for logistics, when we agreed on dates we checked NY-LA flights and agreed on flight ($1500), I venmo/zelled it and had him book it. For Hotel, I booked it and added him to the reservation (yes, I knew his government name) so when he arrived he checked in no problem.

What do you mean dinner but not with you? They're asking if you could comp them a meal and you're not even going to be there? hard pass.

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This is exactly what I do. "Sorry, it's a bit more than my usual of XXX, I appreciate your response and will definitely keep you in mind if anything changes. Have a great evening!" 3 out of 5 they come back and revise their price. You NEVER haggle, ever ever ever. Don't haggle. Don't come at them because of "outrageous" prices. "Do you think you're Henry Cavill?!?!?" no, don't do that. Thank them for replying, share what your usual expectations are, let them know if anything changes you'll reach out and wish them a good day/evening and don't text them again unless you can actually pay the price quoted.

He literally told you he's open to it. He went to your place and told you he was taking 'odd jobs'. He knows you're gay/bi? He was definitely doing some in-person advertising. Car wash? What, shirtless? The fact you saw him on RM means he was definitely dropping you hints about it and if he actually takes care of his business there shouldn't be any awkwardness. He wouldn't tell his family either so it shouldn't be awkward between you too.

I'm sure he does, when you can't remember from the high.

As a Venezuelan myself who has hired venezuelans I'll tell ya they're all now saying they're Colombian and laugh how all the "gringos don't know the difference"

Thank you for your words and reassuring me about this. Do you mind if I DM you for some advice? I don't want to make it all public but could appreciate some advice.

We had a 3hr session on Thursday, we didn't meet Friday, then had the overnight Saturday, we saw each other Sunday evening as the "make up" for and he checked out Monday. I paid for Thursday-Monday Hotel. He did agree on meeting me a couple of hours earlier on Saturday as pay from the room. Yes, we met on Thursday for a 3hr session (1450) then Saturday for the overnight (4k) and Sunday eve after I told him I was disappointed. I paid the tix and hotel for Thurs-Monday so he was free to see other clients Friday and Saturday/Sunday during the day. I know it's the business so I don't care if he's seeing other clients as long as he makes it up to me but still felt disconnected. Here's the exchange we had after the overnight over text after he asked me if I was OK: Me: "Hey! Personally yes of course. I had a great time last night for sure the dinner and our time together after was amazing ♥️. I did feel bummed that I had some expectations that didn’t get to happen, I mentioned I wanted to sleep with a load in me and you had said yes and I also thought we would have some play in the morning as well even after adding a couple of more hours but you said you were not a horny morning person and that’s OK. For me is just now adjusting my expectations you know? Probably we would just have 3-4hr evening sessions and not do overnights as it’s a double rate." He said: "Ok, I’m sorry, I do understand the way that you feel. I do want you to know that I always want to get off but it’s not always possible. I couldn’t even stay hard after the pain from the blue balls was setting in and as you know if it doesn’t happen, I can’t force it. As for the morning sex, I apologize but I feel like I’ve mentioned it a lot that I’m not a morning person in any capacity. I do feel very bad that you aren’t happy overall with how things went and it makes me feel like I’ve not given you what you’ve asked of me. Particularly understanding we’ve been trying to perfect this time together as much as possible. I think that might have gotten in the way. Everything isn’t going to always be perfect, which is why I’m willing to ask, listen and work towards it being better for next time. If you feel like I’ve slighted you in any way, we can spend a bit of time together later too. I just don’t wake up ready to rock and roll. I figured with the concept of you wanting boyfriend time in the morning would be us just waking up together kissing cuddling and then having breakfast etc. like we mentioned previously. Truly, and genuinely, I enjoyed our time together more than you know. I’d hate to have you feel this way after how much effort we’ve both put into our connection" There's more but this is the gist. I was already telling him that it would make no sense for us to continue doing overnights if that was going to be the plan and I had expected things he didn't deliver. Yes, I'm aware there are guys out there that will do much more for way less but TBH I've searched in Los Angeles of all places and I've yet to find someone high quality to have this with, 90% of the guys in here are on onlyfans, insta thirst traps, porn and I want something with someone a bit more discreet.

Thank you for your words and yes, I flew him business NY-LA and put him in a suite in Beverly Hills for 4 days. I am exploring and trying to find a good match for something like this and TBH the quality of the guys in LA leaves a lot to be desired and when we met in NY I felt that connection that I've not been able to feel with anyone here in LA. Having said that, yes, I expected more time and considering his 3hr rate is 1450, asking 4k for 3hrs + 6hrs of sleep to be too steep, I don't mind paying it for something where I can get much more in return but I guess we learn every day. We are meeting next week for 3hrs as he'll be back in LA and after our meet I plan to send him a long message explaining what my expectations are moving forward and if he can great and if he can't then I'll move on.

That’s what I’m thinking of saying that having two sessions of 3hrs in two different days is half the rate of an overnight that only has one block of play.

So I just had my first overnight ever and in part I felt taken advantage of but then again I was the one who agreed to it. I met this guy in NY earlier this year and we had a fun time for 3hrs, we kept chatting and I agreed to fly him to LA and put him in a hotel and have an overnight, he quoted to me 4k for 10-8AM. We met around 8:30, had dinner at a nearby restaurant, went back to the suite and had fun until about 12:30 where we went to sleep... I woke up around 6:30am, rinsed/showered and waited for him to wake up... which he did around 7:30, we cuddled a bit, tried to get frisky and he said "good luck if you can get it up, I'm not a morning horny person", so we got room service breakfast, we ate and I left almost at 9. There was no 'fun' in the morning just in the evening. So afterwards he texts me asking if everything is OK and I mentioned that I was expecting some fun in the morning which didn't happen and he apologized profusely and asked if I could come over to the hotel later that day so he could make it up to me, I did, we played for a couple of hours and then I left so in a sense he did make up for it but at the same time I felt like I should've done a better job setting expectations. He has reached out about trying to do another one and I haven't replied yet but I am definitely going to tell him that I expect some sexy play time in the evening (2hrs) and sexy time in the morning (2hrs) and that I don't see a good return for me to pay 2k for the sexy time and 2k for sleeping 6 hours together. Any insight I could have? Yes, caveat emptor and I don't regret it because it's a life experience.

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Don't bother. Meth is just a "don't touch" thing, I had a friend who's a famous porn star and I saw him go from being the nicest guy ever to a paranoid mess who crashed his car, got sent to jail, couldn't hold a job and talking to him in person 2 years after you could tell his mental faculties had decreased considerably. Is not worth it. You cannot help them. Walk away.

Took the plunge. Massage is meh. No extras. Told me after text it was much more for extras (even though he charged me for sensual) and then a text including how much for any act and how much if I wanted him to cum. When I tried to setup time again a week later he replies with "Well I only do those extras with repeated customers", I said "Ah understood" and left it at that, I don't like the up-selling and mixed messages besides, the massage itself wasn't good.

He's OK. Nice guy but maybe he was tired but he couldn't perform...

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