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That sounds hella racist. Blacks? Racial vengeance? What the hell is that? Again, people in the 90s likely hold a different view than now. Just like the George Floyd and even BLM. More Whites are cognitive to injustice than back during those times. I had an Arab friend get a felony for spray painting racist Chinese slur on his brother’s/sister in law’s (who was Chinese) garage. He got off with no jail time (even though he did spend like a year in jail awaiting to see a judge). Sometimes people get too wrapped up in other people’s affairs. I was young when all this broke out, but I remember hating hearing the news about it every fucking day. At the end of the day, it was a family dispute that turned sensational. OJ didn’t go out and kill some person at random. That doesn’t lessen his possible motives, but it shouldn’t have been seen as a race bait by any means. What if the wife and friend were Black, would it make it any less sensational? Not to mention, stuff like privilege is how people like Jeffrey Dahmer and the NYC serial killer both got off for a LOOOONG time and killed SEVERAL before finally being taken down. Sometimes one’s ethnicity, or Celebrity status, even wealth is a privilege in itself: How Jeffrey Dahmer was able to escape justice for so long WWW.UNILAD.COM Experts have weighed in on how the serial killer evaded justice. A friend of mine told me the other day: you always seem to go for White guys, maybe that’s why your dating life is rough. I told him, no…I don’t specifically look for White guys. If they want to talk to me, they talk to me. I may reciprocate, but I don’t often initiate. Because I already know, most White guys won’t give Black guys the chance unless they have an affinity for Black guys. Sad but true. But I have seen people of various backgrounds.

And, is he the first or last? Probably not. I think too many times; a sensational story, trumps what has happened in history and what happens all the time and never goes reported. This is not in defense or objection towards O.J. but: he served his time, he got “his” when he tried to pull off a stunt 2nd time. In the end, nobody here has a heaven or hell to put anyone in. Nobody here has absolute proof that it was him who did it. I have watched various forensic files/48 hours episodes, sometimes “the killer” isn’t always the killer, but the accessory. Nowadays, if someone hires a hit man: there’s different technology to access phone records to trace it down if that were the case. In 1994, that likely wasn’t an option. And for something more relevant: Celebrities Who Got Off Easy for Crimes They Committed WWW.RANKER.COM You might hope that everyone is equal in the eyes of the law, but when it comes to legal justice, there is one... Now, the world now is different than it is back in the 90s. Nowadays, celebrity and political status doesn’t “always” get people as far with things like it used to (as we see now with 2 who are in the spotlight). So if it happened today, maybe it would have been a different story.

Well, I’ll just say one thing: After all my time in the gay scene since 14 and now I’m 36: I personally don’t go visit guys in hotels unless they are paying or we’ve met before. They can come to MY hotel. I know that’s the essence of a traveling escort’s business model, but I trust myself more than I do others. And of course some clients who can’t host, don’t have an option. Nothing bad, but even when meeting for free, they can play games too. That’s why awhile back I suggested to clients, don’t always rely on the escort to host…because most “scams” I’ve dealt with, even in non-monetary situations (yes you can get scammed even without money involved), have been when I’ve gone to a guy’s place. One client told me of a friend of his, who basically got “detained” by someone he met for a hookup. Story didn’t add up but still… But I would have to wonder, would said escort take an Uber or drive to a client’s place and then say “I’m here, I just need a deposit 🤔 When you know better, you do better 🤷🏾‍♂️ Also some clients think every escort is a scam. Ask for their number before booking them? You’re a Scammer. Can’t host? You’re a scammer. Ask them for a photo instead of deposit? Scammer. You’re asking for money at all? SCAMMER!!! I can’t please the masses. I rather just work with the people who don’t have a problem with everything you ask of them.

Fixed it for you 😂 As I mentioned previously, that defeats the purpose but I suppose some feel it’s safer to get them there, than to try and do it right at the start. But my thing even if they did, how would make it any more of a scam? If you’re already there, you’re there. Unless the guy sends a deposit and then disappears. But can’t see the issue based just on that. Personally though, I wouldn’t be booking hotels and then hoping clients show up. As stated, that defeats the point. At the same time, I’m less interested in what or why other guys are doing what they do. Mostly just focused on what I find works best for me, eliminates drama, avoids spending money out of pocket only to be left high and dry, etc. In quote from another sex worker:

Well that doesn’t take a hypothetical feat of reasoning to suggest. It happens all the time. As I’ve stated before, many small towns may not have any clients/escort either. Right, and sometimes it’s not even that. Sometimes RentMen only reaches a limited market. It’s unfortunate that Grindr is as popular as it is, but refuses to allow its members to sell their services. The biz would likely be more volume if it were (though I don’t know if that would mean more profitable. Many Grindr meets only work if offering under 150/200). I’ve tested it out before, but I just don’t have the time to sit online 24/7 and respond to guys, send them my number, and sell. Sometimes it’s not about market this, buyer that, etc. It’s often about visibility. Options. Race. Wealth disparity. Personal beliefs and religion.

It seems like some (providers) are going about the deposit thing all wrong. I can’t speak for other guys but, you can’t book a session and then get a deposit at the time it starts. To me it defeats the whole point. You might as well wait and get the funds upfront. The point of the deposit is to ensure you’re not giving out information about your location, or booking hotels/travel before actually solidifying the booking. If I were to go to Los Angeles, pay $300 for a hotel, and then get deposits: it would be a waste of energy because I’ve already spent the money at that point.

Well, the whole point I was making is: it’s not theoretically possible for clients to “run” the escort industry moreso than a provider can. Reason why, most clients dip their toes (and maybe other parts) into the biz only during the time they are seeking it. Whether that’s once a year or once a month. Meanwhile, we are in it daily and going along with the day to day intertwining of it all. If that weren’t the case, clients could simply just name our prices whenever they want.

Awe, sounds so romantic…and it’s true some are exploring. However, my thing is: if they’re going a whole year in between, and then doing it again a year later. And the same thing the following year: where does it end? On top of that, some of the ones I’ve comes across will often want to book it last minute/short notice. When I suggest that I can meet at a certain time instead/need more notice, they just ignore it. Then months later do it again and contact me like they never hit me up before previously. I deal with that a lot in Midwest USA area where I market, and I found the best way to cut down on that behavior was to just remove my phone number from my ads. If they aren’t registered clients to the site, my number doesn’t appear. They have to be willing to do some work and click/read my ad, versus going straight to contact number. Hasn’t fully resolved all but, I’m so happy now that I don’t wake up to a phone full of messages in the morning, from guys who aren’t willing to coordinate or go thru with a visit. On top of that, many of them aren’t new as you may think. Especially in America. I have seen bi-curious guys before, who have never met a provider or guy period. But they go thru everything without the added fantastical drama.

I remember years ago, can’t remember where though: I read something that an escort who’s really serious about going to the next level should always have a “Working name”. I find most of the guys getting into tussles, seem to be picking guys with generic and explicit names. BBCHung, ArabHung, BigWhiteCock, HungLatin are likely all just baits to get you in, and do whatever. Have to be a bit more discerning. Even if they guy is all good and real, it could be the way they move that’s the issue. And if were me, I would never go to a hotel without a room number…Its not the deposit that was the issue. That was just the facilitator. What y’all should have done, is you should have verified his room number by asking if you can call him at his hotel room. In which case he should have mentioned he requires a deposit before providing his room number. That’s where I find sometimes clients are gullible too because, they dash out to meet without doing any common sense checks. And half be bluffing anyway. Of course some of these escorts may be phony too, but that’s why it’s good for both to ensure proper checks.

That’s bullshit. 100% bullshit. What rule derived from the nature of the business you refer to? What do you think came first, the prostitute or the client? You seem to believe that clients CREATED escorting. That clients CREATED RentMen. No, the only thing that has been created by clients is stuff like review boards like this. Maybe in this realm, people can assume rules they can or won’t do. Other than that, y’all aren’t running the business either, nor making rules for how providers wish to run things. I’m fine with clients paying after they have received, however a deposit is not negotiable. Granted in the case of this guy, the deposit did seem to be asked a bit late. I don’t even give out my hotel name or address without a deposit. They get cross streets, where there’s likely 5 other hotels nearby. That said, unless someone posts the exchange of what occurred…who’s to say it actually happened verbatim? Something could be missing here. I find most stories here hard to believe without text message screenshots from start to finish.

Nah, see…lately I’ve moved to the 1 chance cancellation. Especially if like the other day; dude sends me pictures, an elaborate text about wanting to meet, and then saying “outcall to a hotel in (insert city but with no hotel name). Then, goes ghost or cancel? I’ll give them a 2nd chance; if they send a cancellation fee. But if they then proceed to decline the request (either thru cash app/venmo), they’re blocked. I don’t need someone getting the opportunity to not be reliable more than once. Once is enough as it is. And if they try to slide thru a 2nd time later, they will be reminded.

And just so people know, I’m sure by “in mind”, doesn’t mean call them all within the same time? Sometimes I’ve had people contact, maybe I stepped out the room without my phone and didn’t notice the message until I went to do my routine phone check (also having two separate phones is very easy for it to happen). If I reach back out and they say they’ve “called someone else” and it hasn’t even been 30 minutes to an hour, not cool.

I guess in my case though, the past few hookups I’ve had have mostly been with all new guys. I used to have a regular FWB in the area, but I think he got too strung out on whatever he was doing (that I was not) and I haven’t seen him around in awhile. And with it being new guys, they haven’t been consistent. It’s not even just about monetizing it, but more like: “they aren’t on this journey with me.” So…what are we doing? I know it sounds like a money thing, but there’s other aspects to it. Like recognizing one another’s struggles/ambitions. Which again, technically I guess it’s not to be expected in hookups, but that’s why it loses its value for me at times. I’ll mention even further, many of my latest hookups have been on the interracial front…so sometimes I feel EVEN MORE that the guys are going into it NSA by default, and generally viewing it like we have not much in common except fucking. At the same time, it’s not just limited to that. Similar race dudes be playing games too, but the other week a friend made a suggestion about my hookups based on the last guy I quasi-dated briefly. Well yeah, I don’t think “I should have charged for that” either necessarily. Even though I admit I HAVE had those feelings, but that was more in my younger days. When I talk about the monetary part of things, it’s not necessarily that I’m asking to get paid: but rather for people to contribute. And most hookup guys don’t want to contribute. Like the other week, I spent money to get a nice hotel room in downtown area of town: not for a client, but to spend time with a “past Instagram hookup” guy for a night out. Now, I didn’t EXPECT him to offer to pay half or a portion, nor did I get my hopes up that he didn’t: but the fact that he didn’t, it further goes to show how these hookups are one sided. Technically I didn’t have the money reserved to do that, but I did so because it was convenient near him…since I live far. But since then, he’s been acting fake and phony, selectively returning messages, and didn’t even include me in his concert plans last weekend. Yet I’m spending money on a hotel? That’s bullshit. He won’t be getting a 2nd effort date from me. Occasionally I have ask guys to go partial on a room and some been okay with it, if their place isn’t suitable. But as I’ve said elsewhere, I don’t always like spending the night with new guys because some aren’t always transparent about their time obligations. I’m not some trick or tramp to be made to leave out at 8 a.m. I’m just over it though. I think I been in a funk about hookups/dating ever since February: I went to reconnect with a guy in another state, he was making all the right moves and on his best behavior, and then started acting weird out of nowhere. I could tell he wasn’t being genuine about his intentions, and it just made me realize how stupid I was to think he was going to be any “different” than the rest of the scene queens in that town. Thats why I’m like, I have to limit how much I give myself up to the non-pay breeds. Their lack of transparency in situations…can’t go too far out of my way for them, because they won’t do the same. Lot of these guys act like bad clients, who should be blocked and blacklisted lol.

I’ll add too: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE to the universe, clients STOP 🛑 using Rent messenger or email to arrange bookings on anything same day notice. Example (me in green): Now granted, I know this person is real because we’ve met before…but it’s been awhile (like over 2 years), and he mentioned RM doesn’t send him pop up notifications anymore. So, he didn’t see my message until the morning. I try to let clients know; SENSE OF URGENCY. I’m normally not a rushed person, and my days are fairly relaxed. It’s not that I’m impatient on their response, but when I’m working on HOTEL time, or I’m driving between places…I don’t have time for back and forth messages or half ass responses. I probably come off angry sometimes (maybe even all the time lol) when I discuss certain situations. But people have to understand when you’re being limited on time by outside forces, the urgency for a plan/reply is real. It’s not angry, it’s just emphasizing something that doesn’t seem to resonate with the vast majority. Escort encounters aren’t like hookup apps, there’s a different dynamic. We’re not always looking at the exact same time. In this case, I almost missed the guy because the hotel wouldn’t let me check out later than 1 pm without an extra charge. And he had somewhere to be at 2. And I originally wanted him to come to my hotel, but I then had to leave and go to his place: If we would have settled all the details the DAY PRIOR HINT HINT ADVANCE NOTICE, I could have been ready to meet him at 10:30 or 11, and still had at least an hour left to checkout.

I often have a regular 1 to 2 day notice preference, and a separate 2 to 4 hours (minimum) same day notice preference. Most bookings seem to be within a week time frame, however same day notice is common: in which I’ll tell people, “2 hours MINIMUM notice required”. But otherwise yes, same day notice is a crapshoot. Had one guy in one of my travel cities who kept trying to meet me same day, and this is what I told him (me in green): That’s the kind of stuff that creates a breakdown in communication. Instead of trying to actually coordinate a convenient day and time, dude just kept trying to meet me right away and would say, “I’ll check back with you” when I said I wasn’t available until the next day. Then same thing the next day, and getting the same answer. On top of that, without a deposit they haven’t gotten on my schedule to cancel in the first place. 4 to 6 weeks notice is a bit far out for me personally just because, I travel like every 2-3 weeks. And I don’t want to be concerned to return home for 1 appointment, especially if I’m doing well on tour.

That is very gracious. However, long as people understand that it shouldn’t be “expected” for all providers to be okay with eating the possibility of a cancelled session. Lot of times, people cancel/flake and offer nothing.

Yeah that would be called a cancellation fee…

Following up to this again: this is the level I feel I’m on. I also think it could be useful in escort/client interactions too: How to quit gay dating apps and take back control of your life WWW.ESSYKNOPF.COM Sick of the daily Grindr, but not sure if you're ready to quit gay dating apps for good? Here are six ways you can take... It’s important to remember that many gay dating app users are simply “playing the numbers game”, texting countless others just to see who will bite. Hmm, that sounds familiar. Insert “RentMen users” in place of dating apps sometimes lol. Also another article (though obviously I can’t say I’m going to give up sex all together, but just from an overall standpoint of stuff outside of paid arrangements). I gave up casual sex and dating apps to try and find a deeper connection. It's been almost a year since I've slept with someone. WWW.BUSINESSINSIDER.COM About a year ago, I realized I was having casual sex to avoid being lonely, and I wanted something more. I'm...

I know this sounds like a moot point: but I been letting myself fall into this habit, and lately the past 2-3 times I’ve felt worse after. Not in the sense of didn’t enjoy it, but the fact that I’m doing the same thing I’d technically be getting paid for. And the reason I feel worse isn’t just because not getting paid: but it just seems the lack of appreciation and return from the guys. They see it as just a hookup, but they don’t see the behind the scenes shit I do to make that happen. I’m usually traveling, or booking hotels, coordinating my body and mind to ensure I’m horny enough to give them a good time. I guess sex work spoils me to an extent because of the gratitude and giving of the client, which in turn covers hotels (which lately, is my main means of hosting), travel, bills, etc. I feel lot of these non client hookups are so meaningless. They aren’t trying to establish a relationship, or contribute to any of the expenses I have to make the arrangement happen, etc. I know technically, casual hookups and dating shouldn’t be based on “Money”, but many of these guys are wanting the same thing a paying client wants: no strings, getting fucked, leave after it’s over. The past few times I’ve had free sex, it’s felt almost the same as meeting a client. I usually “allow” myself up to one freebie encounter per week or 2. But sometimes even that isn’t worth it. Lot of these guys aren’t bringing anything differently to the table. It’s the same 30 minutes to an hour of fun, and then they go about their usual and I don’t even get paid. That’s why I’m considering deleting my hookup/phone apps because it’s just a waste of energy sometimes. But I like being able to meet someone I’m attracted to, who’s closer to or under my age every so often. However, some clients including the older guys, are fairly attractive. Which fixes that urge. So in some ways, it’s almost pointless to even be looking for anything else. I wouldn’t mind having a relationship with someone, but the cards for it haven’t been lining up at all lately. It’s either a distance issue, or circumstances issue. I think I’m going to start only using hookup apps as a low cost alternative to my other ads. So even if I can’t get the amount I normally do, it’ll be something. Like the other month, I hooked up with a couple fairly decent guys for 1/4 of what I normally charge. I know that’s probably frowned upon by many professionals, but: when you’re in a hotel room or visiting a new city and hours go by without a booking, I feel I get restless. Like I almost have to “make use” of the room, even if one client might have shown up earlier in the day. When in reality, they can be helping me out by like.. creating some content or video for my website 🤷🏾‍♂️ But like I say, the past 3 hookups I had were great: but afterwards I just felt I wasted my time because non of the guys were really serious. They fuck and then go back to their own life and agenda, and act like they’re too busy to meet again unless it’s on THEIR limited schedule. So, I think going forward I’m only going to use hookup apps as “discount booking sites” if and when I have spare time. I’ll probably have to stick with going to nightclubs if I’m wanting to socialize outside of clients.

I have before, and I do not. Besides, that has to do with traveling how?

I started to title this: “how often do you see an escort’s ad (one who’s not normally posted in the area) and (correctly) assume they’re already there and ready to meet now?” But not enough space in the title 🙃

I reserved a room for 2 days (and usually even that’s rare, as I often book rooms only one day at a time). I had one person pre-booked, but then another who was contacting before I arrived, but he was reaching as if I was available and in town right then. Overly eager to come over to me, before even asking if I was actually hosting much less: in town. Like umm, why am I supposed to show up to a city, before I even have anyone confirmed? Do clients all think we just pack bags, book hotels and travel out of our own pocket before we even get a client? It may make sense for some, but doesn’t make sense to me. And as I have to explain all the time: “seeing my ad in a city does not necessarily mean I’m in town and available now”. But then, lot of times when that is the case, some still bullshit and flake. Another guy act like he was going to come to my hotel yesterday afternoon: flaked. Him and the other guy. Only the 1 pre-booked client showed up. It’s annoying, because usually I would have just booked the room 1 night….and either went home, or on to the next destination. But: as previously discussed, one night in a hotel room often doesn’t feel long enough. It’s like there’s a caveat to both methods: if I try to plan a trip for pre-booked clients only, the ones who think I’m there now won’t be available when I get there. If I show up unannounced, then I’m relying too heavily on the possibility of a client, or enough clients will book during the time I’m there. But I wish there was a universal way to convey, not everyone wants to gamble going to a city, booking a hotel and waiting around for clients: knowing that most of the inquiries out here are often flakes anyway. That’s why sometimes people ask me to meet in a city listed in my ad: “hey are you in XXX city today/tomorrow?” And I have to be like yes, I’m available to come for 2 hour minimum. Then they’re shocked. I never implied that I’m in a city at that moment. Most cities I only go for special request only, because I hate sitting around all day waiting on people to show up. Same thing when I’m at home, I never book a hotel unless a client has booked and confirmed. Most every time I’ve tried to do it otherwise, it’s been a waste. Only way not to, is if you have a standing incall place to host regularly. Also the reason it often gets mixed up and something to note: With RentMen if we don’t set our “home location” to a city, it will not show up in the main listings. Idk if clients realize that. So, lot of times I move my ad to a city before going, so I make sure clients notice and can the ad before I arrive. But they wrongly assume I’m already there. Also my home area sucks for bookings, and I don’t like to waste my RentMen days advertising in a city where I’m getting hardly 0 bookings Day after day after day. I rather advertise in different cities.

I say +1 on that, but not all guys who hire behave that way. However, even if they aren’t off their rocker normally… the reasons people come to us might make them turn into undesirables. Though it’s no excuse. I don’t want someone being rude and disrespectful towards me just because they can’t be transparent in their marriage/relationship situation, or tried to to hookup with other guys and it didn’t work out. Those are all valid reasons, but not reasons to take it out on me. Ha, funny you mention. He actually reached out to me again the other night 🤦🏾‍♂️ That’s why sometimes I don’t block people, because I just want to see how far their stupidity goes…for future reference. Another example of a client who “blocked me”, contacts me again, then forgets I’m blocked: I’m convinced the guy is either off his rocker, or he’s just intentionally trolling. It’s just sad that he’s actually someone I MET (once and only once). Then again, that’s just how it is. In my case, the area wasn’t a traveling city…it’s the nearest major city to the area I reside. I addressed this extensively in a now closed thread, but some cities in this country (America) just simply hold animosity towards sex workers/Escorts/RentMen whatever. My area is one of them. Even some of the clients who pay…will do so grudgingly. And a lot of disrespect, unreliability, attitudes, etc. That’s why I’m often traveling, but I’ve been starting to enjoy it less lately. Probably because I haven’t been hitting places I really want to go lately: Like somewhere tropical but, that’ll be changing soon. I don’t know if I deal with more Jackwads than others, but I definitely don’t have an issue bringing it up more than others. Lot of these guys who pull the crap behavior, they have reports from other guys saying the same thing. So I know it’s not just me. However I know I’m dealing with it more just because the area I reside in isn’t escort friendly. I know “relocation” is the ultimate solution however, In the meantime I try to travel as often as I can: and stay with deposits and keep my phone number off my ads except for registered clients who can READ.

I didn’t forget, I just didn’t see the need to. Neither should you 🛑

When it comes down to it: if someone asked the average basketballer, movie actor, or “hot executive” for a paid fling, their prices would be something astronomical 🌙 ☀️ Granted $1,000 isn’t the typical price for an hour with an escort, however: it’s not unheard of throughout the overall industry with women and especially NYC. I have never worked the NYC market so I simply can’t comment on what’s usual or expected. But from just overall hearsay over time: any price would likely go. I’ll also add: if you’re visiting someone, whether escort or client, it’s hardly ever necessary to use hotel parking downtown. However, I know the annoyances of trying to find parking in places like DC (your hotel actually had very easy parking that night…But my friend’s hotel closer to downtown, I was parking around the block, and paying something like $20 a day on the stupid parking app lol). Also Orlando hotel resorts often have no other options to park: except for their garages. There’s been times I’ve left with $40 subtracted from my rate, after a few hours or overnight. Denver street parking is super manipulative: you have to read 3 signs just to figure out whether it’s okay to park. By then, you’ve already gotten a ticket, maybe even a boot 🔐 lol. The massage table debate often comes up but: it’s all down to Preference. I personally don’t feel a massage table is any easier than a well structured bed (there’s also ways to simulate a massage table but, I won’t reveal all my knowledge). Plus the phobia of a table collapsing, was always on my mind. And like you said: I’m not carrying a table around, hotel to hotel, City to city. It’s too much. I already have lots of luggage, a table would be the equivalent to a pet crate. Not to mention the potential of being seen doing “business” out of a hotel, is not desired to be obvious. But again, to each is own. That’s just my preference. Like I say, it sucks that sites like Adam 4 Adam have essentially gotten rid of “escort” and changed for massage. Also some people are so afraid of repercussions, that they’ll reach out to Masseur ads first, or say they’re looking for a massage, but have their Dick and ass included. Escort seems to be a term being phased out, thanks to politics 🤫