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It was never worth it to me to fly even when it was cheaper. Flight, baggage (packing light is not a concept for me lol), then staying in expensive downtown or boring airport hotel. Then fees and prices here and there…all add up, and if a client or 2 don’t show up, that’s an instant lost. Add to that, if you need to stay longer or end it shorter…you’re at the mercy of a flight ticket. Only time I would fly if it were a particular weekend session, in a place with a client I could trust.

This is most ethical behavior. I wish more had the same integrity. Getting Covid is hard news, but at the end of the day it’s not the provider’s fault nor should they have to lose out. I had a client who cancelled the day of claiming Covid from a party he went to the night before, that someone apparently said they had tested positive. So he cancelled “so he could get tested”. Which of course he did. Still waiting to get cancellation fee. I assume this could be why many providers only accept bookings from people who are “ready now”, but I’m not in a position where I can work that way all the time. Plus even that isn’t any surefire way to prevent last minute flakes. I decided I need to up my deposit to HALF the session price going forward. People cancel and leave me hanging, and I’m not just “available” 24/7 or on short notice, so that often leaves me not able to fill in apppintments right away. I’m just so tired of being lead on and my time wasted and then being short on money I relied on to take care of other things. The amount of games and BS is become highly discouraging and disappointing. It’s almost nobody can be relied on. I haven’t had an actual appointment follow thru now in over a week. And I don’t even count that because the guy was someone I blocked 2 years ago, and he snuck thru using text mail to reach me. He has a habit of ending the session abruptly, and seems he has a mental disorder. Doesn’t help though that my area is particularly high client turnover, and many of the “potential” clients who have contacted me in the area have been blocked due to annoying/flaky behavior or failure to follow advance notice policy when booking (random shit like texting me every few months for me to host on short notice, or cancelling a pre-scheduled visit and not leaving any form of deposit or cancellation fee).

Here’s an article from another industry, which includes real life responses: that should help squash every “deposit=scam” rumor out there for good (would be nice lol) https://behindthechair.com/articles/what-would-you-do-charging-your-clients-deposits-for-appointments/amp/ “Always charge a deposit for long appointments and new clients. We are too busy for wasted appointments. If they are serious they pay the deposit no questions asked!” – @thehairboutique814 “I always take deposits. I take 50 percent deposits for color…No deposit, no appointment! Simple as that.” – @lucieluella

Reality is: even cash paying clients can still do a deposit as well. There’s ways. Some have even mailed me cash, which I don’t recommend but…something better than nothing. As for losing cash paying guys, the thing is: They’ll probably be lost anyway. Again: it assumes if, IF they actually fully go thru with it. Which, lately it seems they don’t. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Who knows? All I know is: Me being a paid provider doesn’t start AFTER the session or AFTER I book a hotel or AFTER I drive to XYZ. It starts the moment I pay $79.99 or $39.99 on RM. The unfortunate part is there are scammers out there who mess things up for the genuine ones. But there’s also bad apple clients who mess it up for the potential good ones too. Like I say, some clients talk about being “taken” once or twice. Whereas I may deal with a similar situation multiple times in a month. It’s also true that some markets require a deposit more than others. I know for a fact, I refuse to work in Denver or Kansas City without a deposit these days. Same as with Atlanta, Chicago or other overly escorted cities. But right now, it’s not so much a market/city thing but more of a personal need. I need to be able to do other things with my time, besides being contacted all hours of the day at random by people who are just making “inquiries” and not following thru.

Unless it’s someone like me with lots of good reviews 😉 https://rentmen.eu/Jarrod_Brandon I wish I could still do things without a deposit like I used to, being able to do things without much screening effort. But I feel because of the disappearance of craigslist, RM has become the “universal” site for all kinds of hookups. There’s people who I know personally, have RM client profiles, and have 0 intention on actually hiring someone. Or if they do, they’ll waste time of many before actually booking anything. Which they’ll likely cancel anyway. So I’m all about debunking this myth that guys asking for cash upfront is a scam. True, some who are may be. But that doesn’t speak for all. I charge deposits “exclusively”, and you won’t see anybody on my review page talking about I scammed them. considering this is ask a provider, I think it’s only fair providers speak up.

What sure proof do you have that it’s a scam other than the ad disappearing? Escorts can also “freeze” their ads to where it disappears but still active. The likely reason I can see for that is: maybe they don’t want to be “available and visible” round the clock. They may want to post when they are available, and shut it down when they aren’t. Avoid spending too much time if there not available. A provider could ask for a deposit close to the time because if two or more clients are trying to fit the same time, if the provider turns 1 down and the other flakes last minute (as @Jamie21 once described, then the provider likely gets neither client. So to better confirm the session, the deposit gives a better assurance than just relying someone to show up. However as I mentioned, people haven’t had issues sending me deposits. But I have also moved from ”deposits to confirm” to “consultation fee” because it gets infuriating having a potential client, and then they cancel when I ask for deposit. So better to just get it right away for the pure cost of my time coordinating things, which is something I deserve to be paid for.

It’s very good you mentioned that, but I’m actually doing very similar to this right now via my own website. I don’t have “products” yet per say, but moved a lot of my content off RentMen and OF platforms. It’s actually been working pretty well, but I’m still trying to keep active in building it. And you’re right, signing up to the site eliminates the “deposit” since it technically is the deposit. However, I’ve had a couple people sign up and like you say; still mess around with the planning of in person session. For those instances, I’ve had to handle appropriately. Well the fact that it was a new provider (assuming you mean newly created ad and not someone traveling) and the person gave the address before getting the deposit, is where the error is. It’s not because of the deposit itself. If I ask for deposits, I do it before sending the address. Otherwise, that defeats the screening process. I don’t want to be giving out my hotel, apartment or air bnb address at random. If they’re not sending deposit, there’s no need to send my address. Or like some people say: “where are you staying?” Non of your business. Send me the deposit and then we can exchange all that info. Before you book and pay an Uber, do you get to see the list of exactly what kind of car, what the person looks like, how big their dick is…before you pay? Exactly. That’s why I say there’s no need for me to coordinate bookings for free anymore. They’re getting enough free stuff already. For me to have to do any extra work for free (texting, dirty talk, driving, etc.), is borderline sweatshop labor. I’m sure there’s also some “good” stories about people actually paying deposits as well. I can say: EVERYONE who has sent me a deposit, has received their session in return. The only time they haven’t, is if they cancelled for reasons that had nothing to do with me, after sending one. And that seems to happen more often lately, hence why it’s become imperative to ask for them to begin with.

I feel like in America, there’s so many scams and scammers…it’s hard to operate sensibly especially in this type of arena. Now, what I’m about to say is different than what this post originally referred to (getting the whole amount on Zelle), but it’s still in the spirit of what’s being discussed (e.g. cash is King) I’m only sticking with seeing NEW or out of town clients in some cases, with not just a deposit: but an initial consultation fee/deposit BEFORE actually getting cash. Meaning, Zelle or other apps. Even though I’ve had lots of clients send without an issue, I will admit it runs some away… At the same time, I think the mentality of the greater Client community needs to change. This is not 2001. It’s not 2005. And it’s not even 2015. We are in 2022. Everybody is doing electronic payments. Uber, PayPal, Cash App, Grub Hub. All the other companies get their money upfront when you order their service. Yet, if I’m only asking a small portion of the session as “legwork” of the actual session, there really shouldn’t be an issue. I think people have gotten so comfortable with escorts/masseurs just “showing up” without getting anything upfront. For example: somebody today ask me for an outcall to the Kansas City airport. I don’t need an Uber to get there, I can make it. But, it’s an HOUR away from me. I send my deposit instructions, and the person didn’t bother to reply back. Which is okay because it probably eliminated someone who isn’t serious, but it’s frustrating considering it was the only seemingly real booking request I’ve had all week. People think they can just text a provider out the blue, and I’m supposed to stop what I’m doing, hop in my car, pay for gas, and be on my way…with nothing more than a lousy text message asking if I’m available tonight? What do I look like? What reason do I really have to believe that after I do all that commuting, the person on the other end is actually going to be there? Or that after spending 30-60 minutes “consulting” details and such, that they aren’t going to pull a “oh sorry my co-workers just came over, I have to cancel”. That’s rookie non-sense. I’m 14 years in the game. I don’t have time to be running around like a headless chicken every-time my phone goes off. There’s nothing scam about getting a nominal amount of cash on a pay service. I’ve seen people PAY CASH and STILL get scammed right in front of their face. Like literally, take the money and not do anything until they pay more money. So, that means nothing in the big scheme of things. Sometimes it’s amazing at the end of the day: The person on the other end may be willing to be a paying client, but they can be cheap and unreasonable on the initial go. I’ve already paid my money upfront: advertising, pictures, commuting, lodging etc. Some of these people want a free service: they want free free free all the way up until AFTER the service and then pay. All that is old formula to me now. The working for free, maybe get paid after on the back end: is no longer efficient.

Who knows…probably fake

I used to take up on some of the hardcore fantasies, which I won’t disclose for personal preferences…but I just don’t get into that as much no more. I’m not really marketing towards making clients into science projects or doing extreme kinks especially if traveling and staying in a hotel. Any such activities would have to be hosted by the client in a more private environment. Being an escort doesn’t have to equate to doing crazy, off the wall shit to get paid. Some guys come with a hope that we can accommodate anything, I’ve had to cut clients off that try to go too far. One guy wanted me to play rape him with a (non loaded pellet) gun. I did it, it was kinda fun…but also a little overboard and strange considering he (used to be) a regular client (before I blocked him for being a flaky idiot one too many times) and I just hate sometimes feeling like gay sex has to equate to odd and crazy fetishes. Plus at the end of the day, I don’t always get paid enough to carry out such tasks. If I’m going to be playing “sneak into your house and rape you”, I better damn well be getting paid like an actor to do the damn thing.

I’m curious: can you provide an actual sample of the conversation. That way we can decipher what may be the issue.

This is a bit of a different situation than what I’m referring to. The circumstances I refer to are the ones who don’t meet after calling in sick last minute, and usually don’t leave anything in compensation. Often times, this occurs in the morning (almost like they just wake up, and suddenly change their minds - or are no longer drunk/horny/high versus a case of being sick) In your case, it wouldn’t of been the worst thing to just meet him, then give something partial and hold until next time. And just a disclaimer: I don’t recommend anyone risking it to not get the provider sick, however…I’m bringing up this topic because in the past couple months, I’ve had like 4-5 clients call in sick at the last minute. Of all of them, I can say I didn’t actually believe any of them were being truthful, especially since they were all text messaged. Which gives me no real evidence of it being true.

If everyone did that accordingly, I probably wouldn’t ever have to question about it lol.

Me personally: I am asking for partial donations upfront from new clients. I’ve not gone the route of half, because it is more for the initial consultation. That said, the 🚩 flag isn’t so much that the person asked for half upfront, the flag is that there wasn’t an exchange of numbers and the discussion is taking place on messenger without (as I assume?) no number provided or exchanged. Then, doing gift card stuff is the other give away. Similar to how I don’t book clients from the RM messenger or A4A without a phone number, you would at least want to have a number. And make sure it’s not some phony text mail or other knock off service either. Some client yesterday arranged a booking on text mail with me, which I didn’t realize until I called upon arrival. I blocked him 2 years ago for weird behavior, but he slipped thru and was even more off than the last time 🤦🏽‍♂️ That said: there’s people out there who think everyone who’s asks for payment ahead is a scam. I’m staying committed to my new way of doing things. Many are accustomed to pay upfront in full for Uber, Priceline, and pretty much everything else online. Hiring an escort online really shouldn’t be much different. The business just hasn’t evolve enough to be able to do that, but I’m doing what I need to do for now. There’s a separate escort forum overseas where someone discussed how they used to be in the biz in the early 2000s, and was busy busy. Person retired and then returned and noticed so many calls nowadays aren’t serious. I feel the same. I don’t know what it is, but for me it’s just better to have something to work with upfront, versus just taking randomly inquiries round the clock.

Hmm…I have to counter this slightly. I’ve reached out to many a client after the fact or down the line and it hasn’t been an issue. Unless the person specifically asks you not to, and/or doing it discreetly shouldn’t be an issue. Otherwise, how would traveling guys really ever reach out to regulars? They aren’t always “looking” on the sites, so a brief and non invasive message shouldn’t pose a threat.

You’re a good one 👍🏾

All of the above! But this is also why I’ve moved from deposits to consultation fee now. Because I was doing all that question answering, and then people would go silent or suddenly become ill when asked for deposit. Nope 👎🏾 I rather use that time to focus on other things.

Actually no, It wouldn’t. It would change my perception more if they couldn’t discuss the circumstance, and thought feeding me a fib is more integrity than leaving room to sort out whatever is actually the issue.

Yeah but some of these have been very annoying and inconvenient. Like yesterday I was just talking to the guy and narrowing down a time, I even modified something I was going to do today, because I didn’t want to have too many things going on leading up to the session. Question is: would you give a person a 2nd chance if they did, or have you found they even follow back up at all? I say this because I met a client who even confessed he lied about being ill when he cancelled the morning of. But he eventually kept the session saying that he was just having cold feet. That’s why I think I’m just going have to start start getting 1/2 upfront, before putting anyone down on schedule.

That’s what I’m saying. I guess some figure there’s no way around that, so what can I say. I wouldn’t even say cold feet, as much as probably juggling other contacts. Like how does someone just “conveniently” get sick the day were supposed to meet. Especially the ones with the Covid 3rd and 4th party stuff: a friend of a friend of a friend, tested positive. So now they have to cancel 🤦🏽‍♂️

oh okay, interesting. But what prompted specifically this question? On behalf of someone you know? It seems in many cities, clients want others to host unless they’re situated in a hotel. When I’m out of town I usually prefer to host, because some people have differing living circumstancess going on. Even had one last week who I drove all the way out, and he wouldn’t answer my calls or texts. I was livid. It was a house in a “industrial” area of town, so I didn’t want to get out and knock on the door or be standing there looking like a burglar. So I drove all the way back across town to where I was staying. Then he texts me an hour later, saying he was waiting for me but had phone charging🤦🏽‍♂️ He sent a deposit, but he had to send a cancellation fee to get me to go back out there. Fortunately the 2nd time he picked up and was there. He opened the door and was f-ing hot 🥵 🔥 so I was happy 😊 I can’t wait to get back into my own place. I will be hosting gladly. I never found having clients over to really affect my serenity in a place. However I am considering a 2 bedroom place next time, to have that separate area.

Yeah, that does seem fishy. Two with the same excuse?? In my case, I was just talking with a client last night about what time to meet today. Then this morning texts me about someone from a party he went to last night, saying they tested positive this morning. It just seems mighty quick for that to happen. But considering the person made partial deposit, I can’t say they aren’t telling the truth about it. If this type of stuff continues, I’m eventually going to have to go above and beyond what I’m already doing: start doing like air bnb, and just getting the whole amount upfront before even scheduling anyone. That way if it gets cancelled unexpectedly the next day, that’s on them.

Can I turn the question around: are you in the business and thinking of quitting? I mean, it’ll help if you can give some insight if you may be questioning the decision? To add to the question: I will say, the idea of “quitting” is often thrown around like it’s an “easy” thing to do. It almost seems like some people believe that it’s easier to quit than it is to have alternatives, or different ways of doing things. Fact is, that is not usually the case. Especially if it’s something you enjoy. In my case, yes there are things that make me dislike the business: One of them being the fact of not being able to accommodate bookings because they either come at unpredictable times of the day, or people expect to make things happen on such short notice within a small window of time, that I can’t make it happen. Then add cancellations (even with deposits, it’s still annoying to have because it makes you feel like you can’t truly plan your finances, schedules and expectations arrive bookings, because it’s too likely a chance someone is going to have a reason to not show). What I’ve found better than quitting is restructuring things to suit the circumstances. I don’t work the same way now that I did 2 or 5 years ago. That is a great position to be in. But, I get impression that the original question might not be related to when planning to comfortably retire, but rather: Being in a position of where one is considering to make a hasty exit strategy due to factors centered with the business.

I was going to bring this other the other day, but was like…whatever. However, this seems to be a common thing now especially with next day appointments. I know there may be some genuine circumstances of it happening, but this is becoming a recurring theme: I’ll get contacted for a booking, with I may not be available for right away. Try to plan for the next day, but then get a text in the morning that they’re either sick or someone been exposed so they might be exposed. Or get the ones who seem perfectly fine the day prior, but then today claim to have this or that ailment all of a sudden. One guy even told me earlier this week, he was in bed all day with strep throat, and it was only noon and he sent it in Adam4Adam. I’m almost sure that was a lie because, you don’t just “wake up” with strep throat. It’s something you have to get tested for, and if it’s that bad, generally it’s something he should have been feeling prior to that. I know people try to be cautious and considerate and not pass anything on (BS, because people out here don’t even be wearing masks when they have a cough or sneeze), but I just have a hard time believing it sometimes. I’m pretty sure at least 3 people in the past couple months have lied about being sick when they really weren’t.

That’s always good practice, sometimes I forget to do that more often, except with very regular regulars. The only caveat: sometimes it just doesn’t work. Sometimes too much time passes, or not enough time. I’ve reached out to regulars from 1 or 2 years ago, and never hear anything back. Or, I may have seen them on the way to a city, but weren’t able to catch them on the way out. Had that earlier this month. I reached out to 3 clients who let me know they had great time last month, but non of them could meet the 2 days I was in town. I probably could of gave a little more notice, but sometimes it’s hard to juggle clients in the current city, the next city, and the city after that. For most trips, it’s easier for me to start with a clean slate; and whoever sees me sees me. If they are a regular, all the better. However, if it’s a small market…I will often hit regulars up, before I even think about booking new clients.